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Nordic wrote:Or are you trying to tell me that SOMEHOW, in your deluded mentally FUCKED UP universe, a vote for Obama isn't SUPPORT for Obama?
Whatever. You guys are out of your fucking minds with denial.
Nordic wrote:I never thought I'd see this inhuman level of amorality on this board.
Rory wrote:Romney will double down on every piece of shit Obama has done, and will bring social policies and Supreme Court appointments which will make everyones life more misery. This is the added bonus that Mitt brings with him. Imagine 1-3 new Antonin Scalia's
Rory wrote:It is your white liberal privileged entitlement, to stamp your feet and call Obama a murderer. But the replacement will murder just the same or worse.
Elvis wrote:Ninacat, thanks for the peace pipe. Let's not allow the bastards to turn us on one another. Everyone has to do what they believe they have to do (or not do).
Nordic wrote:Or are you trying to tell me that SOMEHOW, in your deluded mentally FUCKED UP universe, a vote for Obama isn't SUPPORT for Obama?
If you vote for Obama or Romney, that is certainly your right -- although you will forever forfeit the right to speak of "rights" at all. If a human being can be murdered for any reason, or for no reason at all, merely on the arbitrary order of someone who claims the power to issue such orders, she has no rights at all. You thus sanction the destruction of all rights, of all human beings -- including yours. The victim may be Mrs. Hamilton, or Joanna -- or you.
If you vote for Obama or Romney, do so proudly. I want you to say: "I vote for Obama/Romney proudly. I am proud to be a knowing accomplice to their murders, including the murders of innocent human beings." Say that, and those of us who refuse to surrender our souls will know where you stand.
This is not a complicated issue. It is stunningly straightforward. Those who seek to complicate and confuse it do so because they will not identify the meaning of their support, either to themselves or to anyone else. When they wish still to be regarded as "civilized," murderers and their accomplices will engage in endless irrelevant arguments and invent complexities where none exist. Don't let them get away with it. They are knowing accomplices to murder. Make them say it.
The claim of a "right" to murder anyone for any reason is the greatest expression of evil we can imagine. Both Obama and Romney claim the President has such a right. Obama has actualized his belief on many occasions. Any individual who claims such a right cannot, by definition, represent a "lesser evil" of any kind. He claims as his own the greatest evil possible. Every other issue, no matter how important it may be in itself, no matter how passionately we may feel about it, is necessarily less significant.
For the German engineer, taking the "oath of fidelity" represented a "certain and immediate" evil. The same must be true of support for a person who claims the right to unrestricted, unbounded murder. As the engineer said: "I had to commit a positive evil, there and then, in the hope of a possible good later on. The good outweighed the evil; but the good was only a hope, the evil was a fact."
It is a fact that Obama and Romney both claim the President possesses absolute power, the power over life itself -- and this with regard to every human being alive. It is a fact that a vote for Obama or Romney means that you support their claim. Demand that anyone who says he or she will vote for Obama or Romney declare: "I vote for Obama/Romney proudly. I am proud to be a knowing accomplice to their murders, including the murders of innocent human beings."
Make them say it. I still have hope for the future, but whatever hope I have rests on our understanding, identifying and accepting the meaning of what we are doing. To vote for Obama or Romney is to be a knowing accomplice to their murders. If that is what you are, say it. Say it -- and be damned.
Then we can defend ourselves.
Fresno_Layshaft wrote:I'm tired of reading that if you use roads and running water then you're supporting the 'empire', paying for bombs with the sales tax on your winter boots. What non-sense! Using the roads is hardly something one can avoid in life, unless your a shut-in. If you don't pay your property tax, you lose your house. That is state coercion, its not voluntary. No one has any say on what their taxes pay for (another good reason not to participate). It could go to a hospital or it could go to the military. Voting to sustain the legitimacy of the ruling class is something you have full control over, however.
I wonder if anyone would have guts to say that Afghans are "responsible" for the atrocities of the Taliban, if they happen to have had the misfortune to live in area controlled by them and are therefore forced to abide by their rules?
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