Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:22 pm

lunarmoth » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:12 pm wrote:I have trashed no one. Why do you feel trashed? I reported a rumour, yes, after I heard the same thing from 2-3 different lurkers. You have admitted this thread is open and that you can't control all the traffic. And I agree, nowhere on the internet is safe. Nothing is under our control. I never begged anyone to be kept 'safe' -- that word is more ubiquitous than 'Hallelujah" covers and I don't use it.

I prefer to say "censorship." So from now on I'm censoring myself. Gonna buy me a gag and clip-clop off into the sunset. So long, Old Paint. See y'all in Horsefly or somewhere on down the road.

(I see brekin has dropped his cover. Love the Mickey Mouse faces on those skis, man)



I'm getting pms telling me that RI has a tradition of targeting mind control survivors, and most have left. I'm new here, and frankly I don't care. Guruilla has presented "my material" in ways I would not have had the guts to. There's been more discussion than I ever expected. I'm happy to stay and see this thread evolve.



If you didn't care why would you even mention this....sounds a whole lot of trashing to me (tradition of targeting mind control survivors) and then blaming it on members here that have pm'd you. May be you should have lurked for a longer period of time to figure out what was going on around here rather than blaming it on nameless RI members.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby lunarmoth » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:34 pm

I have clearly crossed a line here, unintentionally. I actually thought this subject had come up before and been discussed, dismissed, debunked -- but now I see it's strictly taboo and brings out the big guns. I think you may be underestimating MK survivors: how many of us there are, how many of "you" are actually survivors too, how generalized this mind control is, and -- how little I mind. I enjoy watching people role-play and power-trip and flex their head muscles. But as of today, for reasons that have absolutely nothing with perps on this forum, I feel I can let this thread go and move on to other, fresher, more engaging pursuits. Thank you all. I'm not going anywhere -- especially not now that I have an Avatar and am approaching 99 luftballons, I mean, posts.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:44 pm

@lunarmoth If your aim has been to exasperate almost everyone at this thread and make half of them think you are crazy, you've probably been successful. As proof, I don't even know if that's been your aim or not.

But speaking personally, please at least desist with the threats/promises of leaving only to show up a post or two later to announce it again. That's really disorienting for everyone and serves no purpose besides that, disorientation.

I agree about mind control and sexual abuse being pervasive. No one knows the stats. But we can infer that it's probably ten for every one who remembers.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:50 pm

I'm glad you are staying and hopefully you can understand where I am coming from....but the words you choose are very weird to me...perps (One who perpetrates or is accused of perpetrating a crime.) on this forum.. so members of this forum are what?....here we go again...what do you mean by that?

Big Guns?

nothing is taboo here except accusing a RI member of a crime as far as I'm concerned


role-play and power-trip and flex their head muscle


you are so endearing
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby lunarmoth » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:01 pm

Don't be literal minded, guruilla. It's hard to go anywhere when there is internet everyhere.. I'm not crazy. I'm just happy I've completed my mission so far. And I can't leave til I've saved this thread to a pdf.

I just noticed that Habs logo resembles a horseshoe. Leonard's probably happy too. Could take a while to sink in, though.

and I know I'm "endearing"... but who's accusing whom of committing a "Crime" ? I think we should all inhale and exhale before we answer that,
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:09 pm

what does perps mean to you?...your word not mine

now we have "completed my mission" you had a mission before coming here? That's interesting
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby lunarmoth » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:14 pm

Ja, meine Damen und Herren.

PLEASE WATCH THIS WITH YOUR THIRD EYE OPEN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lur-SGl3uw8

kusse und grusse, von Die Alter (die Alte Frau) and probably the oldest person here.

Liebe und Tod und see you in the underworld
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby Elvis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:40 pm

lunarmoth » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:12 pm wrote:I can't provide you with names as I protect my sources. Apparently there's a perception out there that such things happen at RI.

Maybe you're just being targeted with malicious gossip. In which case, you should know that denial is often pointless.

My advice is: learn to live with it.


Sorry for any misunderstanding—I meant to add, I definitely was not asking for, nor in the least expecting, any names or even the content of any private messages. I'm 'just saying' that it would be interesting to know a) who would tell you that there's a "covert policy" of harrassing survivors (I assume "policy" means emanating from Jeff or maybe Wombat), and b) whether or not they actually believe it...because I sure don't.

Again, I apologize for interrupting. I wanted to call attention to what sounds like another low attempt (there have been others) to tar this forum and its creator.


As for the ongoing efforts to end the discussion (just as it's getting started?), I'm going to start scrolling past the broken record posts/reposts, there's only so much time in the day.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:55 pm

I'm not sure where, or even if, this thread is going.

The intention in laying out the facts in a potentially coherent order is not to prove a case so much as to see how well the pieces fit together and if the coherence is just an appearance or something deeper. For those people it doesn't persuade, there's nothing further to say or do, they can just go about their day and forget they ever saw that particular arrangement, in the same way we all forget about a movie or TV show a day or two after seeing it. For those it does persuade (myself being one, obviously), the effect may be the reverse: it leaves a question in the mind, like a splinter that can't be ignored. Since the surface semblance of coherence suggests a deeper coherence, a hidden narrative, I get like Jeffrey Beaumont, feeling the thrill of "seeing something that has always been hidden." The brain can't rest, because the mystery is undeniable but unsolved, and the brain can't stand an anomaly: it either forgets it entirely or it becomes disproportionately focused on it, & has to keep returning to it to try and make sense of it.

In retrospect, the reason this thread has a question mark was more than just caution; arriving at that question, the knowing that something is going on but not the exact nature of what, why, how, is the whole point, and I guess that feeling is what brought most people to RI to begin with ~ not a desire to argue but to explore the mystery together.

For me, the bodies I am seeking to disinter are, finally, the bodies in my own backyard. Cohen is just a safe-distance case study, like Strieber was, a "control" to help me stay grounded as I continue to overturn all the top soil of my own family cover-up. The context for this investigation isn't simply "Could a popular folk singer also be an MKULTRA operative?" but what are the ways in which this particular case study intersects with other evidence I, or we, have already uncovered? How is this all part of one cultural agenda? So many of the things cited as evidence at this thread might be less than meaningful without that context. I had expected RI-ers to be familiar with the larger context & not to focus so relentlessly on the minutiae of this one case; for example, the historical re-evaluation of the camping movement, early wicca, vegetarianism, and progressive schools already done at the Occult Yorkshire thread, without which the facts about LC going to summer camp might not signify much at all. Yet within the larger picture, they are a notable correspondence.

One thing that may be little understood is that intuition and imagination may actually overlap. There's an upside and a downside to that obviously, but the overriding meaning is that, without imagination, rationality and rigor is like a lead balloon.

Anyway, my point was not to complain or explain, just to emphasize how unproductive it can be to turn an imaginative exploration of a mystery (which is about following the leads that are most promising) into a rational argument about what constitutes proof or not (which entails ignoring the mystery and getting lost in semantics). I never came here with an argument, only with someone's testimony and the surrounding facts.

I am sure there are many areas still to explore and uncover around this (I know it); but it will require some new voices (or a least new perspectives) at this point, if that's ever going to happen.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby lunarmoth » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:53 am

guruilla, have you read The Favourite Game?

Have you seen this? https://youtu.be/8CfFM39-kyY
This describes the world Leonard patrolled in the early seventies, just around the block from his house near the park. I could not stand this movie at the time although I knew Alan (Bozo) Moyle and some of the others. Steve Lack is a very fine painter in NYC now.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby lunarmoth » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:59 am

Oh no. I'm back.
It was the mention of those 'summer camps' -- and the whole theme of summer camps in general. Not that I can compare Fabian neo-Pagan summer camps in England with the fabled Jewish summer camps in the Laurentians north of Montreal (not having attended either) but I think there are reasons why no one else has done it until now. First you have to factor in MOSQUIT0S and BLACKFLIES which pretty much eliminates the nudity angle. If you were imagining stone circles or rhodedendrons decorating the woods, you don't find those in the Laurentian Shield either. It's bleak and rugged and covered with pine trees, and the lakes and rivers can be freezing cold even in August.

I probably can find you an informant but i had the impression Jewish summer camps were places of communist indoctrination where Yiddish folk songs from the Warsaw ghetto were sung over campfires along with cowboy ballads like Red River Valley and Streets of Laredo. Some Jewish camps were for the elite while others catered to "Red Kindergarten babies" from the downtown immigrant core where the poets hung out - what's known today as Mile End and the neighbourhood east of The Main I was describing earlier where Cohen wisely bought properties in the early 1970s. This rough seedy area even elected a communist, Fred Rose, to the House of Commons back in the 40s.

But for all I know the elite camps may have followed the British model and been breeding grounds for ... the stuff you describe happening in Yorkshire. Except you'd never see a pentagram -

Leonard Cohen’s camp might have been connected to Reform Judaism... which brings up the Sabbatean angle... aha

More research needed
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby Joao » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:04 am


Why not start posting as a regular in other threads, as well? Sincerely meant, not that I speak for the place with my 2.5 year old, mostly lurker presence. You've got an avatar and nearly 100 posts now, after all. It's a roughhouse at times but it's still just pixels on a screen. Who doesn't love the smell of brain glands in the morning.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby lunarmoth » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:23 pm

Is there a Tantric Hockey thread?
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:32 pm

lunarmoth » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:23 pm wrote:Is there a Tantric Hockey thread?


Sort of?

viewtopic.php?t=32959

It's 140 pages so I'm sure there's hockey in there somewhere.
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Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:58 pm

lunarmoth » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:23 pm wrote:Is there a Tantric Hockey thread?



And there's a couple of hockey threads—this one addresses the moral ambiguities of hockey:

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=32177

...perhaps the TIDS thread and the hockey threads could be randomly combined?


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