US Presidential Election 2024

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:17 pm

Elvis » 19 Nov 2024 02:49 wrote:
stickdog99 wrote:you still support closing schools for two years to save Grandma?


I never "supported" anything like that or leapt to conclusions about it one way or another. I'm extremely wary of absolutist pandemic narratives.


And thus, all the authoritarian responses whose individual and societal costs far exceeded their benefits that you and hundreds of millions like you never stopped to question due to your then outsized fear of COVID are magically swept away!

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8776351/

Nursing home quality, COVID-19 deaths, and excess mortality

Preventing COVID-19 cases and deaths may come at some cost, as high-quality homes have substantially higher non-COVID deaths.

The positive correlation between establishment quality and non-COVID mortality is strong enough that high-quality homes also have more total deaths than their low-quality counterparts and this relationship has grown with time.

As of late April 2021, five-star homes have experienced 8.4 percent more total deaths than one-star homes.

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To investigate this claim, we return to our original model, but change the dependent variable from COVID-19 deaths to non-COVID deaths. We find that higher-quality nursing homes have much higher non-COVID mortality. In particular, as of September 13th, 2020, five-star homes had experienced 11.4 percent more non-COVID deaths than one-star homes, all else equal; by April 15, 2021, this figure had grown to nearly 15 percent.

Research by Levere et al. (2020) suggests that these excess deaths likely resulted from isolation and loneliness. Using resident-level assessment data from Connecticut nursing homes, the authors document substantial weight loss and increases in severe pressure ulcers among residents who did not contract COVID-19.

The resident survey mentioned above also documents severe isolation, finding that only 5 percent of respondents had visitors three or more times per week, compared to 56 percent before the pandemic, and just 13 percent reported dining in a communal setting, compared to 69 percent before the pandemic.

Another possibly is that resident contact restrictions may coincide with, or even cause, a reduction in interactions with healthcare providers, both inside and outside the home, which would be consistent with widely documented reductions in healthcare receipt overall during the early stages of the pandemic (Bosworth et al., 2020; Ziedan et al., 2020; Cantor et al., 2020; Clemens et al., 2021).

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The COVID-19 pandemic presented a unique challenge for nursing homes. Early CMS directives and various state regulations for nursing homes prioritized reducing resident and staff exposure to COVID-19.

There was little discussion about the downside risks associated with reducing visitors, communal activities, and resident travel out of the home.

Our results suggest that more balanced policies and guidelines that emphasize maximizing the health of residents, rather than just minimizing risk to one disease, may have improved outcomes.

For a period of time, CMS and the news media at large measured nursing home COVID-19 performance using cases and deaths only, meaning the logical response on the part of the nursing home was to minimize these counts regardless of the cost.

In retrospect, the tone of the discussion and the measurement of outcomes may have led to some deadly consequences. As economists continually stresses, there are benefits and costs to all regulations.


Whoops! So the lockdowns we supported actually killed Grandma! Well, who really cares? I'm extremely wary of absolutist pandemic narratives.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:29 pm

Elvis » 19 Nov 2024 03:02 wrote:NYT podcast/radio show "The Daily," hosted by the insufferable Michael Barbaro, just interviewed Bernie Sanders.

Sanders blames the Democrat's election loss on their substitution of identity politics for the real economic issues. This upsets Barbaro (who is gay and comes out of Yale) no end.

The YouTube video's comments section is (unsurprisingly) 100% praising Sanders, with many also sharing my contempt for Barbaro.


What's amazing to me is how so many people with minority identities went from "I just want to live my life without being actively discriminated against" to "You need to celebrate my unique identity or else" in one generation.

When right wing bigots used to say, "Gays don't want equal rights, they want special rights" I used to roll my eyes and ask them exactly what "special rights" they were talking about to stop them dead in their tracks.

Today, I would be excoriated in any academic or corporate for suggesting that any non-cis straight male identity should not get special rights. If our oligarchs notice a wedge issue that they can use to divide the 99%, they will find a way to perfect it.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:28 pm

Video from 2014



8-point summary

1. Quarantines and Curfews as Control Tools: Harry Vox suggests that measures like quarantines and curfews, long sought by ruling classes, are tools to enforce totalitarian control. That such mechanisms are introduced under the guise of public safety but serve to establish deeper authoritarian governance.

2. Ebola as a Manufactured Threat: Vox says that outbreaks like Ebola are intentionally spread to provoke fear and justify enhanced control measures, positing that NGOs or other entities could deliberately spread diseases for these purposes.

3. Rockefeller Foundation's "Lockstep" Scenario: A cited Rockefeller Foundation document, "Scenarios for the Future of International Development," outlines plans for a world of increased government control following a pandemic. Vox interprets this as evidence of a premeditated strategy to erode freedoms.

4. Pandemic Narratives as Authoritarian Justifications: The described scenario includes measures such as mandatory quarantines, mobility restrictions, and invasive surveillance, which Vox interprets as part of a broader agenda to consolidate power and control.

5. Praise for Authoritarian Models: Vox criticizes how the Rockefeller document praises China’s authoritarian pandemic response, suggesting it serves as a model for Western governments seeking to implement stricter control mechanisms.

6. Economic and Social Isolation: Measures such as the halting of international mobility and local restrictions are highlighted as deliberate strategies to weaken industries like tourism and isolate individuals within controlled environments.

7. Depopulation and Resource Control: Referencing Henry Kissinger’s National Security Memorandum 200, Vox highlights a longstanding agenda to depopulate regions for resource acquisition, linking this to broader global strategies.

8. Call to Action Against Apathy: The discussion concludes with a warning that public apathy enables these authoritarian shifts. Vox urges people to educate themselves, organize, and resist perceived encroachments on freedom to avoid living under a "slave state."
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Grizzly » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:47 am

^^^
be careful... last time I posted this same video (above) all hell broke loose and I was an ant-isemite! And banned for a few days. Even though he was exactly right and ahead of the onslaught.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Grizzly » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:31 pm

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1648230514 ... 43D-2TtAuw
Note worthy... as nearly everything is being scrubbed.

It's hard to imagine that something like this has been broadcast on mainstream TV and these sick creatures have been secretly ruling our world for decades.

“The tape is valuable artifact and extremely rare view to secret society that groomed the American ruling class for generations.”


1990's ABC News tells mainstream America about Bush involvement in Skull & Bones Secret Society Rituals after students were secretly recorded doing them at Yale.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Laodicean » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:33 pm

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Elvis » Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:34 pm

that you and hundreds of millions like you never stopped to question


Huh?

I question it all. Others have arrived at pat narratives that tolerate no questioning.

When you assume.....
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:28 pm

What's weird to me is that I have anything but a "pat narrative." What I have is a bunch of questions and suspicions. What I know for certain is that the majority pf people around me willingly transformed themselves into COVID totalitarians (becoming the defacto lockdown, social distancing, mask, and vaccine police) at the exact same time that people were isolated from each other by authoritarian dictats and Big Tech was censoring or at least shadow banning all questioning of this totalitarian response. And, at least as far as I could discern, this occurred primarily because all internet and corporate media channels were all engendering an outsized fear of COVID in everyone, including me, my best friends, and my family members. And I also know for certain that I would have been fired from my job and ex-communicated from my larger circle of friends had my peers and students known what I was posting here at RI during that time, even though in retrospect it consisted only of mild questioning of the cost vs. benefit analysis of certain authoritarian dictats ostensibly issued to protect all of us from COVID.

Even here, where smart people have historically questioned all the narratives that we are fed, the majority of "right thinking" people reacted highly negatively to any questioning of these authoritarian dictats. Most left the forum, never to return lest they be confronted with any information questioning the dominant narrative and their own personal responses to this narrative. If you were questioning anything about those dictats at the time, it would have been great to hear your questioning, if only to know that there were actually a some other people wondering what the hell was going on.

And to me the most amazing thing of all about having lived through this is that everybody I know finally came around to my way of thinking, at least in terms of their daily behavior. That is, once they survived COVID, they lost their outsized fear of it and decided not to keep locking themselves down, social distancing, masking, or subjecting themselves and everyone around them with experimental mRNA injections, despite the fact that all medical establishment authorities still recommend many if not most of these practices. Yet these same people as a general rule don't dare question why all that shit that they don't do anymore (despite thousands of Grandmas supposedly still dying of COVID every month) made so much sense to them two years ago that they felt compelled to ex-communicate anyone who dared to question those practices at the time.

Basically, everybody has moved on as if none of this ever happened. And they somehow continue to think that everything they thought all through 2021 and 2022 was perfectly rational and reasonable even though the supposed rationale for these behaviors never actually changed between then and now and they are no longer adhering to any of these dictats themselves today.

It's as if the German people went on thinking that exterminating Jews was a perfectly reasonable response at the time, Of course, it's more like dropping the atomic bombs on Japan as a show of force to the USSR or the Japanese interment camps because so many Americans still argue that these actions "were justified at the time" to this day.

But in another way, it's even a worse form of cognitive dissonance because many of these same people to this day blame COVID on their government not being authoritarian enough in its response! "If only we had locked down HARDER and forced experimental injections and N-95 masks on EVERYONE!!!"

The fact that none of that would or even could have helped, as demonstrated by every country that tried to enforce Zero COVID policies, doesn't even register. At least according to the dominant narrative. everyone everywhere is still getting COVID and grandmas everywhere are still dying from it.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:51 pm

So, if all of those things made sense then, what changed? When "two weeks to flatten the curve" turned into "two years to force everyone to vaccinate" hardly anybody blinked an eye other than to complain that their neighbors weren't adhering to the "common sense" practices of lockdowns, school closure policies, masking, vaccinating, and social distancing strictly enough. And now, these same people are behaving exactly as if COVID were the flu, which has basically been the case the whole time.

What changed? CJ Hopkins' opinion is simply that when people sense their government is becoming increasingly totalitarian, the vast majority wisely choose not to step out of line or do anything to call attention to themselves, purely out of self-preservation. And while this can explain a lot, I think it goes beyond this. There is something about our primal fear of an unseen deadly illness that was tapped into and used against us. And this lasted for three years, even though for the vast majority of us, we, our friends, and our families were not personally affected by SARS-Cov-2 in any direct way beyond some of us getting a bad case of the flu (combined with a dreaded positive test) that we soon recovered from. Unless we all come to terms with this, this will surely happen again. And the next time around, "they" will kill more of us to get the desired effect, even assuming that the 2020-2023 COVID response itself was primarily organic and well-meaning.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Grizzly » Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:35 pm

^^^

THIS. Nicely put.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Elihu » Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:15 pm

he ain't wrong
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:08 pm

The following shouldn't surprise anyone.

@ggreenwald
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9 straight minutes of the people who destroyed trust in media heralding Joe Biden as one of history's greatest men of honor for saying he would not pardon Hunter Biden.

Beyond the extreme ignorance needed to have believed Biden, look how these people operate as a mindless herd:
@tomselliott

SUPERCUT!

Corporate media: Obviously Biden would never pardon Hunter

[Video clip at link of news pundits lauding Biden for his 'pledge' to NOT pardon Hunter Biden leading up to Joe Biden's now-official pardon of his son Hunter]

Dec 2, 2024


Do you think even a single one of these wretched partisan propagandists will go back on their shows and acknowledge how dishonest, craven and humiliated they were to have pretended to believe any of this and to have used it to proclaim that only Dems believe in the rule of law?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Elihu » Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:16 pm

democracy
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:47 pm

Biden didn’t just pardon his son for his convictions on tax and gun charges, but for any “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014, through December 1, 2024.”

That’s a nearly 11-year period during which any federal crime Hunter Biden might have committed — and there are none we are aware of beyond what has already been adjudicated — can’t be prosecuted. It notably covers when he was appointed to the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma in 2014 all the way through Sunday, well after the crimes for which he was prosecuted.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:43 pm

^^^^^

You know it’s bad when even Jon Stewart is calling it out.

https://youtube.com/shorts/B5E3mPG_R1s? ... lQrK0gGodH

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