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So, trading blame and accusations and demanding "proof" that some high profile singer is "guilty" seems like a waste of our breath when on closer (or broader);inspection, everyone working in culture had to pass through the CIA gate (or in Canada, get approval from British intelligence). That was the first step to getting chosen, after which they had to prove they were committed, versatile and obedient enough to get the jobs. Clearly, cultural ambassadors perform missions, bring back information, build networks, bring people together at events -- and all of that is potentially useful if the overall aim is herding people into patterns of behavior, belief, compliance with accepted ideology.
Also these great figures of pop or high culture set an example, showing others what they should and shouldn't do in order to make it.
That's why they're promoted in the first place - because they can hear their master's voice -- remember that blatant ad for RCA?
I think there's got to be a thick and blurry gray area between active harassment by design, and people being triggered by their own unconscious "stuff" and trying to shut down the conversation, whether it's about MKULTRA folk singers or transgender or whatever. Just as there's a pretty gray blurry area between a survivor of mind control-based sexual abuse, per se, and survivors of, you know, just being born on this planet.
Sounder » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:37 am wrote:
What is an 'operative'? The word implies that one is working to achieve objectives of forces greater than oneself.
“Operators move about in the flesh. So far as surface appearance is concerned,
Operators are identical with Things. No Thing would be able to distinguish one from the other, but
Operators can distinguish them easily. An Operator need only extend and contact the individual’s
mind and he knows instantly whether he’s tuned in on an Operator or a Thing.”
“The one great difference between an Operator and a Thing is the
construction and ability of the mind. Operators are born with special brain cells known as the
battlement. With these cells, an Operator can extend and probe into the mind of a Thing. He can tap
the Thing’s mind and discover what is going on there, and even feed thoughts to the Thing’s mind
in order to motivate it. The mental difference is one of ability, not one of quality. Operators, like
Things, may be stupid or intelligent. But that one difference permits the Operators to rule the
Things.”
Sounder wrote:But don't we all craft our self identities around relationships with various aspects of our larger context? We find security packaged in ideological frameworks that devalue ideas in order to overvalue various forms of social conformity. We lose our authentic self in trying to find our ‘authentic’ selves.
We are all injured and some compensate honorably, but most of us also effectively abuse others if that is felt to be needed in order to protect ones self-identity.
Cordelia » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:47 pm wrote:the new Cohen, dressed up as an old gangster, looking a bit like Meyer Lansky, but good fashion marketing tool for aging fans. The 'stars', like the rest of us, aren't in control of their own destinies either-pathetic, really.)
guruilla » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:39 pm wrote:Sounder » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:37 am wrote:
What is an 'operative'? The word implies that one is working to achieve objectives of forces greater than oneself.
Makes me think of the book Operators & Things (PDF).“Operators move about in the flesh. So far as surface appearance is concerned,
Operators are identical with Things. No Thing would be able to distinguish one from the other, but
Operators can distinguish them easily. An Operator need only extend and contact the individual’s
mind and he knows instantly whether he’s tuned in on an Operator or a Thing.”
“The one great difference between an Operator and a Thing is the
construction and ability of the mind. Operators are born with special brain cells known as the
battlement. With these cells, an Operator can extend and probe into the mind of a Thing. He can tap
the Thing’s mind and discover what is going on there, and even feed thoughts to the Thing’s mind
in order to motivate it. The mental difference is one of ability, not one of quality. Operators, like
Things, may be stupid or intelligent. But that one difference permits the Operators to rule the
Things.”Sounder wrote:1But don't we all craft our self identities around relationships with various aspects of our larger context? We find security packaged in ideological frameworks that devalue ideas in order to overvalue various forms of social conformity. We lose our authentic self in trying to find our ‘authentic’ selves.
We are all injured and some compensate honorably, but most of us also effectively abuse others if that is felt to be needed in order to protect ones self-identity.
Every Thing struggles to become an Operator? The Violent Identity Quest to be a Somebody.
You can get into the Mafia but you can't leave. And fame is like that too, for all sorts of reasons including how it's manufactured
And in the master's chambers,
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can't kill the beast
lunarmoth wrote:First impression: this is MKULTRA-related.
offered psychoanalysis as a way out of ECT torture
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