US Presidential Election 2020

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby dada » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:30 pm

I'm thinking maybe there's a shrewd calculus to it. For me and you, being a whistleblower is a good thing. But the message isn't for us.

Circulating the suggestion around the social and news pipes that Donald is a possible threat to national security is as good as saying he is.

Also serves as a clear message to anyone around Donald. Even those of us who see whistleblowers as doing the right thing know that if you are or have ever been a whistleblower, or associate with known whistleblowers, you better have a good exit strategy and be ready to run at any time.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Hmmm...

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:05 pm

Who should we take more seriously as having control of the apparatus? Brennan, or Pompeo?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby dada » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:45 pm

I'm thinking they represent factions. We're seeing the wrangling for military hearts and minds. Who controls the apparatus is what is under contention. Now it's about who controls the spinning machine.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:00 pm

Well said, and I have to admit Brennan doesn't control but is a harmonious cog in the spinning machine. Meanwhile Pompeo at least appears to control the apparatus, but a) that's just my smart guess based on his rise from CIA to State, kind of like both of the Dulles Bros. in one, but, you know, I'm not actually there and could be wrong, and b) such control for any one person or small faction can be deceptive, precarious, temporary. I think Nairn was probably right that they missed their chance at maximum mayhem. But we don't know what may be in the works, nor do we know everyone who's actually on either side and not showing it.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Grizzly » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:21 am


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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:39 pm

Grizzly » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:32 pm wrote:Short version, no new wars, not continuing the radical NWO left, not continuing Obomber, Obiden, Clinton war. Not following business as usual forever war plan. Not continuing Covid scam.


To say there is zero evidence of this is an understatement. All of the evidence goes radically against it. The Trump regime (note that I am speaking of institutions and collectives, not like your caricature language of single magical figures who somehow do everything good or bad by themselves) escalated the wars while feeding obviously false rhetoric to patsies (a group you have chosen to join though I hope you'll be back).

Counterfactuals didn't happen, speculate all you like. The facts are what happened, not our guesses of what might happen. This is reality: More total number of bombs dropped in the last four years than in the previous four, more people killed, year-on-year. (Anyone who thinks this is a "defense" of Obama: get bent.)

At least $500 billion in military spending increases, which were not planned before. Trump's rule was initiated with an aggressive sales campaign of weapons to the worst belligerents, on a greater scale than before. Policy has unleashed these states: Turkey (now Azerbaijan and of course in Syria against the Kurds, the reality of the "withdrawal"), Saudi Arabia (Yemen), Israel (the territories). The Yemen action, initiated under Obama, reached genocidal proportions under Trump before the relative scaleback forced by opposition and defeats on the ground. Trump abrogated the most essential nuclear treaties with Russia and the deal with Iran and ordered the assassination of Suleiman, recklessly playing with full war with Iran. There was some kind of weird false-flag terror campaign by MEK or another allied actor against Saudi tankers (possibly not directly American). You may say Bolton was fired, but who the fuck hired him? Flynn, the original for that position, was of the exact same ilk. The regime has imposed more extreme sanctions on Iran, VZ and other countries, compared to before. Tens of thousands are dying because of this. There full backing for the coup in Bolivia and repeated attempts in VZ. That is war, by the way, whatever you want to call it. Heavy weapons are shipped to Ukraine which Obama had rejected! If you point out Democrats' obedient recognition and applause for Guaido, you'll get no objection from me. It's still a coup attempt engineered under Trump. There is a permanent natsec-imperial state and the Trump regime has been its production, regardless of his opportunistic sort-of isolationist rhetoric, which is transparent and intentionally self-contradictory. Even the North Korea negotiations were just opportunistic horning in to grab attention that fucked up and postponed what South Korean voters had accomplished.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:04 pm

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Appreciate this sober take, JR. 'Like a hot knife through butter'. (say the italicized with a Sean Connery accent, as an homage to our recently departed).

That said, we (domestically and abroad) remain in a 'lose-lose' scenario with either option. Domestically, Trump appeared to have a more lenient approach to lockdown protocols, though it appears we'll never know for sure. Biden's admin seems to display, overtly at least, a markedly more amenable/cozy relationship with the letter agency/technocratic faction. This is consistent with trendlines: establishment Republicans align with a more jingoistic brand of fascism (which panders to the demo sold on admiration for the Flag, and Country, and America's Glorious History, with a side-bar of White Nationalism), while the establishment Democrats increasingly display a neo-liberal, technocratic/nanny-state iteration of fascism (pandering to the 'woke' brand of virtue-signaling "liberalism" consumed by 'identity politics', among others).

Social media goes a long way towards entrenching and galvanizing these positions into absurd extremes on both ends.

Fuck 'em both.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:36 pm

^^^^^^


cogent encapsulation.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby yathrib » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:13 am

So I haven't been here for a while. I happened to find Jeff Wells' twitter. I always respected Jeff as one of the few people in this subculture who held onto a principled left wing position. Is he now a QANon/far right figure?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby dada » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:28 am

I think that where you see the most important dividing line these days might be computer generated, individually tailored by algorithms tethered to your surfing history.

I don't know where Jeff's head is at, but all that tweeting can't be healthy. I think tweeting is for the birds.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Harvey » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:42 pm

yathrib » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:13 pm wrote:So I haven't been here for a while. I happened to find Jeff Wells' twitter. I always respected Jeff as one of the few people in this subculture who held onto a principled left wing position. Is he now a QANon/far right figure?


Anything specific that you can link to? He seems to have many of the same concerns he always had as far as I've seen, but I don't catch many of his tweets so I can't say definitively.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby conniption » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:46 am

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Nov 15, 2020
Everybody Knows the Fight was Fixed
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“Yeah, like [in] a church. Church of the Good Hustler.”

Fast Eddie Felson (Paul Newman) in The Hustler


At the end of Henrik Ibsen’s classic play, A Doll’s House, Nora, the aggrieved wife, leaves her husband’s house and all the illusions that sustained its marriage of lies. She chooses freedom over fantasy. She will no longer be played with like a doll but will try to become a free woman – a singular one.

“There is another task I must undertake first. I must try and educate myself,” she tells her husband Torvald, a man completely incapable of understanding the social programming that has made him society’s slave.

When Nora closes the doll’s house door behind her, the sound is like a hammer blow of freedom. For anyone who has seen the play, even when knowing the outcome in advance, that sound is profound. It keeps echoing. It interrogates one’s conscience.

The echo asks: Do you live inside America’s doll house where a vast tapestry of lies, bad faith, and cheap grace keep you caged in comfort, as you repeat the habits that have been drilled into you?

In this doll’s house of propaganda into which America has been converted, a great many of our basic assumptions are totally illusory.

Americans who voted for either Trump or Biden in the 2020 election are like Torvald clones. They refuse to open that door so they might close it behind them.

They live in the doll’s house – all 146+ million of them. Like Torvald, they are comforted. They are programmed and propagandized, embracing the illusion that the electoral system is not structured and controlled to make sure no significant change can occur, no matter who is president. It is a sad reality promoted as democracy.

They will prattle on and give all sorts of reasons why they voted, and for whom, and how if you don’t vote you have no right to bitch, and how it’s this sacred right to vote that makes democracy great, blah blah blah. It’s all sheer nonsense. For the U.S.A. is not a democracy; it is an oligarchy run by the wealthy for the wealthy.

This is not a big secret. Everybody knows this is true; knows the electoral system is sheer show business with the presidential extravaganza drawing the big money from corporate lobbyists, investment bankers, credit card companies, lawyers, business and hedge fund executives, Silicon Valley honchos, think tanks, Wall Street gamblers, millionaires, billionaires, et. al. Biden and Trump spent over 3 billion dollars on the election. They are owned by the money people.

Both are old men with long, shameful histories. A quick inquiry will show how the rich have profited immensely from their tenures in office. There is not one hint that they could change and have a miraculous conversion while in future office, like JFK. Neither has the guts or the intelligence. They are nowhere men who fear the fate that John Kennedy faced squarely when he turned against the CIA and the war machine. They join the craven company of Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. They all got the message that was sent from the streets of Dallas in 1963: You don’t want to die, do you?

Ask yourself: Has the power of the oligarchic, permanent warfare state with its propaganda and spy networks, its vast intelligence apparatus, increased or decreased in the past half century? Who is winning the battle, the people or the ruling elites? The answer is obvious.

It matters not at all whether the president has been Trump or Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, Barack Obama or George H. W. Bush, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, or Jimmy Carter. The power of the national security state has grown under them all and everyone is left to moan and groan and wonder why.

All the while, the doll’s house has become more and more sophisticated and powerful. It is now essentially an electronic prison that is being “Built Back Better.” The new Cold War now being waged against Russia and China is a bi-partisan affair, as is the confidence game played by the secret government intended to create a fractured consciousness in the population through their corporate mass-media stenographers. Trump and his followers on one side of the coin; liberal Democrats on the other.

Only those backed by the wealthy power brokers get elected in the U.S.A. Then when elected, it’s payback time. Palms are greased. Everybody knows this is true. It’s called corruption. So why would anyone, who opposes a corrupt political oligarchy, vote, unless they were casting a vote of conscience for a doomed third-party candidate?

Leonard Cohen told it true with “Everybody Knows”:

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died


And yet everybody who voted for the two men backed by the super-rich owners of the country knew what they were doing, unless they live under a rock and come out every four years to vote. Perhaps they were out buying stuffing for the Thanksgiving turkey, so they can give thanks for the farce (stuffing: Latin: farcire ).

They have their reasons. Now the Biden people celebrate, just as Trump’s supporters did in 2016. I can hear fireworks going off as I write here in a town where 90% + voted for Biden and hate Trump with a passion more intense than what they ever could work up for a spurned lover or spouse. This is mass psychosis. It’s almost funny.

At least we have gotten rid of Trump, they say. No one can be worse. They think this is logic. Like Torvald, they cannot begin to understand why anyone would want to leave the doll’s house, how anyone could refuse to play a game in which the dice are loaded. They will deny they are in the doll’s house while knowing the dice are loaded and still roll the die, not caring that their choice – whether it’s Tweedledee or Tweedledum – will result in the death and impoverishment of so many, that being the end result of oligarchic rule at home and imperialism abroad.

Orwell called this Doublethink:

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them…. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary.


And while in Nineteen Eighty-Four Doublethink is learned by all the Party members “and certainly by all who are intelligent as well as orthodox,” today in the USA, it has been mastered even by the so-called unintelligent.

To live in the USA is to live in the Church of the Good Hustler.

People often ask: What can we do to make the country better? What is your alternative?

A child could answer that one: Don’t vote if you know that both contenders are backed by the super-rich elites, what some call the Deep State. Which of course they are. Everybody knows.

The so-called left and right argue constantly about whom to support. It’s a pseudo-debate constructed to allow people to think their vote counts; that the game isn’t rigged. It’s hammered into kids’ heads from an early age. Be grateful, give thanks that you live in a democracy where voting is allowed and your choice is as important as a billionaire’s such as Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, or Charles Koch. In the voting booth we are all equal.

Myths die hard. This one never does:

"Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams, will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.”

Donald Trump, January 20, 2017


"With the campaign over, it’s time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation. It’s time for America to unite. And to heal.”

Joe Biden, November 7, 2020


"Above all else, the time has come for us to renew our faith in ourselves and in America. In recent years, that faith has been challenged.”

Richard Nixon, January 20, 1973


Your voice – our faith – it’s time to unite and heal.

Ask the Vietnamese, the Iraqis, the Syrians, the Afghanis, the Libyans, the Palestinians, et al. They sing a different tune, one not heard In the Church of the Good Hustler.

After campaigning hard for the losing presidential candidate in 1972, I nearly choked when I heard Richard Nixon’s inaugural address in January 1973. Clinging to the American myth the previous year, I had campaigned for a genuine anti-war Democrat, Senator George McGovern.

The war against Vietnam was still raging and Nixon, who had been first elected in 1968 as a “peace candidate,” succeeding the previous “peace candidate” Lyndon Baines Johnson, was nevertheless overwhelmingly elected, despite Watergate allegations appearing in the months preceding the election. Nixon won forty-nine states to McGovern’s one – Massachusetts, where I lived.

It was a landslide. I felt sick, woke up, got up, and left the doll’s house.

“Propaganda is the true remedy for loneliness,” wrote the French sociologist Jacques Ellul in 1965 in Propaganda:

It corresponds to the need to share, to be a member of a community, to lose oneself in a group, to embrace a collective ideology that will end loneliness…. It also corresponds to deep and constant needs, more developed today, perhaps, than ever before: the need to believe and obey, to create and hear fables, to communicate in the language of myths.


In a country where loneliness is widespread, the will to believe and the power of positive thinking are far more powerful than the will to truth. Unlike Nora, who knew that when she left the doll’s house she was choosing the loneliness of the solitary soul, Americans prefer myths that induce them to act out of habit so they can lose themselves in the group.

This is so despite the fact that In the Church of the Good Hustler, when you play the game, you lose. We are all Americans and your vote counts and George Washington never told a lie.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:09 am

Harvey » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:42 pm wrote:
yathrib » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:13 pm wrote:So I haven't been here for a while. I happened to find Jeff Wells' twitter. I always respected Jeff as one of the few people in this subculture who held onto a principled left wing position. Is he now a QANon/far right figure?


Anything specific that you can link to? He seems to have many of the same concerns he always had as far as I've seen, but I don't catch many of his tweets so I can't say definitively.


Second Harvey's comments.

Please cite specific tweets that would lead you to make such statements.

From the tweets I've observed over the last few months, he is indeed expressing principled views when many others are expressing lunacy.

The reference to 'QANon' may speak more to your intake rather than Jeff's. I'd wager Jeff hasn't even come across a single statement expressed by 'QAnon' -- at least not direct from the source -- and is simply formulating his own fully-formed views.

Can't say the same for others.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:42 pm

This just in from the impressive election challenge legal team: Venezuela rigged the US's election! :lol:

Powell escalated her claim further Thursday. She alleged “massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China” used for “interference with our elections.” [...]
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