Theophobia

[Searcher08]

For myself, the greatest activist I have met IRL embodied
great courage,
deep deep thinking ability - not just logic and reason but creativity and value and imagination and most of all design... of organisations and systems.
He was intensely spiritual, with a deep knowledge that cross-cut many traditions
real live wizard (like Gandalf type wizard!)
and a dear friend and colleague of Salvador Allende.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Stafford_Beer


http://www.chroniclesofwizardprang.com/

[American Dream]

Oh AD...

You believe that you can make a point by posting some kind of 'rules of logic' thing. You would be better served (for yourself, not for anyone else) to examine the merits of the argument presented and not search for a way in which it might possibly violate some debate code of ethics or whatever the fuck.

It seems to me that there should be a separate rule for people who are constantly whipping out things like "post hoc ergo proptor hoc" when they feel backed in to a corner. If I were to name it I'd call it the "look! over there! it's a naked lady!" technique.

That pesky critical thinking thing! Can't we just get beyond it?

[vanlose kid]

Oh AD...

You believe that you can make a point by posting some kind of 'rules of logic' thing. You would be better served (for yourself, not for anyone else) to examine the merits of the argument presented and not search for a way in which it might possibly violate some debate code of ethics or whatever the fuck.

It seems to me that there should be a separate rule for people who are constantly whipping out things like "post hoc ergo proptor hoc" when they feel backed in to a corner. If I were to name it I'd call it the "look! over there! it's a naked lady!" technique.

Pesky critical thinking!

not quite.

you see, you use the phrase again and again and again as if it were a mantra. the problem is you spout platitudes or cite them, as in the last cartoon you posted, and seem to think that that is what constitutes critical thinking. which is fine, there are idiots everywhere. clap yourself on the shoulder why don't you? what some are trying to point out to you is that despite your championing of the phrase "critical thinking" you don't evince much of it yourself. which is to say that you're more Loyola than Galilei.

nobody expects the critical thinquisition.

edit: i responded to AD before he edited his post. so the quote above is accurate.

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[Searcher08]

Oh AD...

You believe that you can make a point by posting some kind of 'rules of logic' thing. You would be better served (for yourself, not for anyone else) to examine the merits of the argument presented and not search for a way in which it might possibly violate some debate code of ethics or whatever the fuck.

It seems to me that there should be a separate rule for people who are constantly whipping out things like "post hoc ergo proptor hoc" when they feel backed in to a corner. If I were to name it I'd call it the "look! over there! it's a naked lady!" technique.

Very over-rated critical thinking!

Ph1xt3d

According to Prof David Perkins at Harvard, on average 90% of thinking errors were errors of perception, rather than errors of logic.

An example of how poor critical thinking is in in the area of new idea generation.
If a new idea is created, critical thinking is concerned with the 'rightness' of the idea
rather than the value of where the idea may lead TO.

So, for example, using lateral thinking, one may create an idea that can have a 'provocation' value - one allows attention to flow rather than being concerned with correctness. As an example, the provocation

A car has square wheels

is seen within critical thinking as an obviously poor idea. It would be very bumpy and uncomfortable etc etc The thinking stops here.

However within a Lateral Thinking context, one moves to the next idea - hopping like a frog across lilypads , if you will. This idea led to the concept of a tire which would 'flatten' under different conditions - and a 'tyre within a tyre' approach, which was a big success for the tyre company.

[American Dream]

the problem is you spout platitudes or cite them, as in the last cartoon you posted, and seem to think that that is what constitutes critical thinking. which is fine, there are idiots everywhere. clap yourself on the shoulder why don't you?

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More ad hominem.

[vanlose kid]

the problem is you spout platitudes or cite them, as in the last cartoon you posted, and seem to think that that is what constitutes critical thinking. which is fine, there are idiots everywhere. clap yourself on the shoulder why don't you?

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More ad hominem.

no! really?
kind of you to itaylicize the old itaylian for mere there. might've missed it.

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[American Dream]

Here are some people of faith to emulate.

Hey, their intentions are good and they have courage!

[MacCruiskeen]

AD, that's not an ad hominem. It's a valid argument, a cogent and convincing (and verifiable) rebuttal, followed by an understandably exasperated insult from a patient, long-suffering and eminently rational person who's tired of seeing himself and other people lazily and smugly patronised.

ON EDIT: QED. Yet another cartoon, and a particularly thick-witted one at that.

[Laodicean]

Eric Clapton collapsed from doing way too much heroin during that historic concert. Still nailed that solo though.

Dylan was good friends with Harrison, btw.

And remember those three crazy Jews from NYC back in the mid 80's that helped bring rap/hip-hop to the forefront of American consciousness? It turns out they weren't just a bunch of white boy rappers...





Brought awareness about Tibet...and one of them converted to Buddhism. I think they liked Dylan too. They're alright, man. Word to your moms.

[Peregrine]

Clay Butler, author of those cartoons, introduced Marijuana Soda to the California market...

Alright. Where can I pick up a six pack of that?

[Laodicean]

For the record: I don't go to church. Well, only to attend weddings. But that doesn't count.

[Searcher08]

Hmmm
For someone who chased me round the thread asking me the same question regarding David Icke, trying to get a response from you regarding addressing the limitations of critical thinking, is like trying to get Hugh Manatee Wins to answer my question about where the flaws were in Dean Radin's Intentional Chocolate research.

Argumentum MalCartoonium
This is the point in a discussion generally sometime after the insertion of the
"Introduce a Logical Fallacy for Fun and Profit" gambit.

The effect of mutiple non-apposite cartoons is to create a cognitive dissonance in the opposing readers, especially as most cartoons are somewhat idiosyncratic and open to interpretation. It serves to sumultaneously divert attention away from the subject and onto the reader.
A MalCartoonium, however, serves to paint the issues of the reader as two dimensional and worthy only of mere charicature rather than serious consideration, so acts ultimately only to lower the conversation and reputation of the poster.

[justdrew]

Here are some people of faith to emulate.

Hey, their intentions are good and they have courage!

what if there is no universal rule to tell good from bad, what if it all comes down to who wins?

[Searcher08]

Clay Butler, author of those cartoons, introduced Marijuana Soda to the California market...

Alright. Where can I pick up a six pack of that?

We need to get Willow to serve em up in the Saloon

[vanlose kid]

Here are some people of faith to emulate.

Hey, their intentions are good and they have courage!

does this prove your point, grand inquisitor?

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