Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[ninakat]

I am sorry, what am I missing? I saw the two side-by-side photos, and they they look how a guy would look photographed Friday night with stubble and then again Monday with thicker stubble...I don't know about the orange jumpsuit, but the facial growth is how it should be after three or so days, shouldn't it? I'm not a guy,so unless the guy in question has hair to his knees after three days, I'm gonna question to the contrary, because I can't see the weirdness here?...Plus, if he really was spitting like witnesses said, maybe they called it a day until the orange jumpsuit absolutely had to be fitted for a photo?

I don't know, and I have a lot of questions, but the stubble shouldn't be one if possible...

No_Baseline, I thought the same thing about the stubble, but I think the photos are from the same day or close -- reason being that the photo on the right is much higher contrast which makes his beard look heavier, but if you look closely at the mustache area, it's about the same length.

If that's true, then Creighton's suggestion that Holmes was too drugged for an immediate mugshot makes sense. And, of course, that implies he was quite possibly a patsy, waiting in the white car....

[jingofever]

In Colorado people get mugshots in prison. Or at least while wearing some jumpsuit.

It would appear to me that James Holmes’ mug shot was
taken on Monday morning right before he went into the
courtroom. That begs the question, why?

Only if he changed jumpsuits.

[No_Baseline]

@ninakat and @jingofever - natch. and thanks for filling me in. I don't understand why the suspect's mother is not allowed to see him. And I don't understand why the suspect had college roommates who probably were sharing an apartment and yet aren't mentioned. And I don't understand about the Navy? Military Service body count.

But I am really grateful for a question and answer about facial hair, its the quickest response about this horrible event I have read yet, and I don't mean that at all in a facetious manner...pun intended, and thank you.....
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[Peachtree Pam]

Here is a very interesting article detailing how the man Holmes described as his mentor viewed Holmes when he was 18.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 6583.story

Accused movie shooter called a mediocre student intern

By Sam Quinones

July 22, 2012, 3:19 p.m.

During the summer of 2006, James Holmes, then 18 and just graduated from high school, was an intern at a prestigious computer laboratory at the Salk Institute at UC San Diego.

On paper, at least, the position seemed to indicate that Holmes possessed a keen and brilliant intellect. That's how some former acquaintances have described Holmes, whom authorities have arrested in the fatal shootings at a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

But a graduate student who worked with Holmes at the Salk Institute’s Computational Neurobiology Laboratory had a far different view, recalling him as a “mediocre” student who was enormously stubborn.

“I saw a shy, pretty socially inept person,” said John Jacobson, now a PhD candidate at UC San Diego in philosophy and cognitive sciences. “I didn’t see any behavior that would be indicative of violence then or in the future.”

But “he should not have gotten into the summer program,” Jacobson said. “His grades were mediocre. I’ve heard him described as brilliant. This is extremely inaccurate.”

Jacobson said Holmes was accepted as the Salk Institute’s summer intern because at the time the Institute was not marketing its program to the top math and physics high school students. Holmes was accepted because his resume indicated he had done some computer programming, Jacobson told the Los Angeles Times. But his high school transcripts showed Bs and B+s, and no Advanced Placement classes, Jacobson said.

Jacobson said after that summer, administrators changed recruiting policies and now get applications from very high-level math and physics students.

In a video of a summer-end presentation, Holmes names Jacobson as his “mentor.”

“That is not true. That’s almost slanderous,” Jacobson said. “I was never his mentor.”

Holmes worked briefly for him over eight weeks that Jacobson described as very frustrating, characterized by the young man’s unwillingness to follow Jacobson’s suggestions — contrary to the usually engaging experience Jacobson said he’s had working with high school students.

“My experience with him was quite bad,” Jacobson said.

He said he set Holmes to work writing computer code for an experiment Jacobson had done involving a game of rock-paper-scissors, in which the computer always beats the human, no matter who goes first.

The experiment was in Flash, which Jacobson said is best encoded using what’s called object-oriented programming. Holmes insisted on using what's known as procedural programming, much more time consuming and complicated, Jacobson said.

Holmes was, however, extremely receptive to compliments, which was “how I got him to do the little that he did,” Jacobson said.

For two weeks, Jacobson said, “he was absolutely stubborn. I was at a loss to how to get him to program in an object-oriented way. He just refused. Finally, I said, ‘Do it any way you can.’”

Jacobson said he had minimal contact with Holmes for the next six weeks, daily dropping by in the morning to see if the intern was at least at work, and then returning to his own research.

“I basically fired him,” Jacobson said.

Jacobson said the students the Institute recruits as interns now could finish such a project in less than a week. “He never completed the project. What he gave me was a complete mess,” Jacobson said.

Jacobson said he did try to bring Holmes out of his shell that summer. At one point, he said, he took Holmes to another floor where a high school girl was working.

“He just had no interest,” Jacobson said. “I’m trying to introduce him to the other high school students and he’s incredibly uncommunicative.

“I attributed all this to adolescent shyness, maybe feeling intimidated to people around him.”

[MacCruiskeen]

I don't understand why the suspect's mother is not allowed to see him.

Is she not? Can you give a link? What's the normal procedure in Colorado with the mothers of murder suspects?

I admire his parents for very quickly stating that their hearts were with the victims and in the same statement insisting that they stood by their son (absolutely no contradiction there).

I also admire the mother for having had the strength and presence of mind to make a point of protesting that those despicable hacks had despicably misquoted her. She forced a retraction.

And I don't understand why the suspect had college roommates who probably were sharing an apartment and yet aren't mentioned.

Because it would spoil that ripping yarn about him being one o' them notorious "loners".

Before the days of 21st-century Gleichschaltung, some German TV journalists once interviewed Mohammed Atta's professor at the uni in Hamburg. The interview was never repeated and never discussed. On the contrary, it was studiously ignored. It was an intolerable embarrassment, because it contradicted everything we're supposed to believe about that Cold-Eyed Killer.

First rule of 21st-century journalism: Never contradict the prevailing yarn, because it might entail the loss of advertising-revenue.

And I don't understand about the Navy? Military Service body count.

??

But I am really grateful for a question and answer about facial hair, its the quickest response about this horrible event I have read yet, and I don't mean that at all in a facetious manner...pun intended, and thank you.....

James Holmes is 24 years old. Many men don't have very heavy beard-growth at that age. The difference between two days' and four days' growth can be minimal and practically invisible. (I'm talking from experience.) The differnce between (say) five days' and nine days's growth can be even less visible. Nobody knows when James Holmes stopped shaving.

Scott Creighton's writings on this topic are a strong mixture of sense and nonsense. (Strong in the sense of stinky, like strong cheese). This stuff about James Holmes's beard is a waste of time, just like Creighton's blustering bullshit about Holmes being obviously "a terrible actor". As if Creighton knew what either an innocent or a guilty suspect of mass murder really looks like! Precisely where did Creighton acquire his profound knowledge of how murder-suspects normally behave? From the movies, or what? (Answer: Yes, from the movies. Where the hell else.)

[MacCruiskeen]

If anyone posting on this board is in or near Colorado, there's an excellent opportunity there for some real citizens' journalism.

An honest person who is not wholly owned by any newspaper or TV station might carry out some really informative interviews with eyewitnesses from the Aurora Theater and maybe even with people who actually knew the alleged killer.

[Philos]

From experience when I was his age it would take me 3-4 weeks from a fresh shave to have what he had in the court room.

Aaaaand there is the la times... wow that guy absolutely reamed JH, not one positive comment.

[82_28]

In Colorado people get mugshots in prison. Or at least while wearing some jumpsuit.

It would appear to me that James Holmes’ mug shot was
taken on Monday morning right before he went into the
courtroom. That begs the question, why?

Only if he changed jumpsuits.

I have no clue as to other places, but I've been in Arapahoe County jail for a DUI I got when I was 21. What was explained to me with me in my green jumpsuit and the others around me in their orange ones was that they denote the seriousness of the crime or criminal. Green meant harmless. Orange, non violent felony or something or quasi-violent -- no idea. But RED meant extremely serious. The joint is built in quads, almost panopticon style. And you very rarely see a dude in red. Granted, I was only there for like 16 hours before I got bailed out. But the reds were rare and were kept apart from us greens and oranges. But oranges were kept with reds in the other quads as far as I could tell. This was in 1996, so shit could have changed -- including the name of the jail that bore the name of the disgraced gay meth head head sheriff's name until a few months ago, who, as far as I know is still being held there.

That he was originally in orange, is kinda weird if you ask me. As, from what I understand he would have been put in red immediately because of the seriousness of the accusations.

[MacCruiskeen]

Press Release from the Anschutz Medical Campus at the University of Colorado:

Update on suspicious packages discovered at Anschutz Medical Campus
Package immediately investigated and turned over to authorities within hours of delivery.

7/25/2012

AURORA, Colo. (July 25, 2012) – Officials at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus can confirm that the suspicious package discovered at the Facilities Services building on Monday, July 23, 2012, was delivered to the campus by the United States Postal Service that same day, immediately investigated and turned over to authorities within hours of delivery. This package prompted the building’s evacuation at 12:26 p.m., and employees were allowed to return by 3:06 p.m.

The anonymous Fox News source that the package was received on July 12 and sat on a loading dock is inaccurate.

We remain unable to discuss anything further on this package in accordance with the order of Judge Sylvester on July 23, 2012.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/newsroom/ ... ampus.aspx

Seriously: Is there no law in the USA against blatant and deliberate lying?

We remain unable to discuss anything further on this package in accordance with the order of Judge Sylvester on July 23, 2012.

Why doesn't Judge Sylvester's order also apply to FOX News employees and all the other lying hacks?

[Peachtree Pam]

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Temporal ... 8/Y/M.html

Temporal Illusions: James Holmes’ “Mentor” Admits To Mind Manipulation
July 25, 2012

John Jacobson, the person James Holmes named as his “mentor” during his science camp presentation on “temporal illusions” and “subjective experience” [1], can be seen in a video discussing the manipulation of a subject’s order of time perception. [2]

At 1.58 in Jacobson says:

“… it’s possible… for us to manipulate temporal order, we have loads of power over temporal order, if events happen in the order A/B, a good psycho-physicist can have the subject experience it as B/A, this is routine…”

So the accused Batman shooter, who appeared drugged out of his mind during his first court appearance, and the District Attorney later said she had “no information” on whether Holmes was on medication in court [3], is closely associated to a boastful mind manipulator.

But this gets much more interesting…

John Jacobson now completely denies being James Holmes’ ”mentor”, in fact he outright attacks every aspect of James Holmes life [4], from Holmes’ ability to do Flash programming as an intern (who would even dream that Flash programming abilities would be grounds to condemn the academic career of an honors graduate and prestigious grant winner [5] ), to claiming Holmes’ didn’t seem to understand “any of the basic science” [6], to claiming Holmes “just had no interest” in a high school girl Jacobson introduced. [4]



........snip.



[2] 2010.4.10 How Can We Begin To Define Time?, John Jacobson, Chronicles 1 (Quote At 1.58) (youtube.com):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYca_2iOXd8

[yathrib]

Wow... This simply doesn't ring true, and it strikes me as thoroughly dishonorable behavior on the part of the "mentor." Why is it regarded as in any way notable that he tries to disassociate himself--no wordplay intended---from his most notorious mentee? Were standards really that much lower in the medieval period we call 2006?

Here is a very interesting article detailing how the man Holmes described as his mentor viewed Holmes when he was 18.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 6583.story

Accused movie shooter called a mediocre student intern

By Sam Quinones

July 22, 2012, 3:19 p.m.

During the summer of 2006, James Holmes, then 18 and just graduated from high school, was an intern at a prestigious computer laboratory at the Salk Institute at UC San Diego.

On paper, at least, the position seemed to indicate that Holmes possessed a keen and brilliant intellect. That's how some former acquaintances have described Holmes, whom authorities have arrested in the fatal shootings at a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

But a graduate student who worked with Holmes at the Salk Institute’s Computational Neurobiology Laboratory had a far different view, recalling him as a “mediocre” student who was enormously stubborn.

“I saw a shy, pretty socially inept person,” said John Jacobson, now a PhD candidate at UC San Diego in philosophy and cognitive sciences. “I didn’t see any behavior that would be indicative of violence then or in the future.”

But “he should not have gotten into the summer program,” Jacobson said. “His grades were mediocre. I’ve heard him described as brilliant. This is extremely inaccurate.”

Jacobson said Holmes was accepted as the Salk Institute’s summer intern because at the time the Institute was not marketing its program to the top math and physics high school students. Holmes was accepted because his resume indicated he had done some computer programming, Jacobson told the Los Angeles Times. But his high school transcripts showed Bs and B+s, and no Advanced Placement classes, Jacobson said.

Jacobson said after that summer, administrators changed recruiting policies and now get applications from very high-level math and physics students.

In a video of a summer-end presentation, Holmes names Jacobson as his “mentor.”

“That is not true. That’s almost slanderous,” Jacobson said. “I was never his mentor.”

Holmes worked briefly for him over eight weeks that Jacobson described as very frustrating, characterized by the young man’s unwillingness to follow Jacobson’s suggestions — contrary to the usually engaging experience Jacobson said he’s had working with high school students.

“My experience with him was quite bad,” Jacobson said.

He said he set Holmes to work writing computer code for an experiment Jacobson had done involving a game of rock-paper-scissors, in which the computer always beats the human, no matter who goes first.

The experiment was in Flash, which Jacobson said is best encoded using what’s called object-oriented programming. Holmes insisted on using what's known as procedural programming, much more time consuming and complicated, Jacobson said.

Holmes was, however, extremely receptive to compliments, which was “how I got him to do the little that he did,” Jacobson said.

For two weeks, Jacobson said, “he was absolutely stubborn. I was at a loss to how to get him to program in an object-oriented way. He just refused. Finally, I said, ‘Do it any way you can.’”

Jacobson said he had minimal contact with Holmes for the next six weeks, daily dropping by in the morning to see if the intern was at least at work, and then returning to his own research.

“I basically fired him,” Jacobson said.

Jacobson said the students the Institute recruits as interns now could finish such a project in less than a week. “He never completed the project. What he gave me was a complete mess,” Jacobson said.

Jacobson said he did try to bring Holmes out of his shell that summer. At one point, he said, he took Holmes to another floor where a high school girl was working.

“He just had no interest,” Jacobson said. “I’m trying to introduce him to the other high school students and he’s incredibly uncommunicative.

“I attributed all this to adolescent shyness, maybe feeling intimidated to people around him.”

[2012 Countdown]

I have to assume this was posted already as the 'story' is several days old, but it is curious nontheless-

Mayor Bloomberg urges police strike over gun control
By Meredith Blake
July 24, 2012
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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv ... 0833.story

===

Time To De-Bloombergize New York City
by S.M. Oliva
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I don’t understand why the police officers across this country don’t stand up collectively and say, ‘We’re going to go on strike. We’re not going to protect you. Unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what’s required to keep us safe.'

This wasn't a political argument for "gun control" legislation. Bloomberg went on national television and demanded a military coup against a civilian government he deems insufficiently authoritarian.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/oliva7.1.1.html

[Peachtree Pam]

Another debuking effort originally from USA Today concerning the intellectual abilities of Holmes. I've left out paragraphs referring to Jacobson's comments.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/usatoda ... 7CNews%7Cs

Neuroscientists debunk idea Colorado suspect was supersmart

....snip....His résumé after he graduated with honors in neuroscience from the University of California-Riverside in 2010 cites experience in the lab dissecting birds, studying their musculature and analyzing data and graphs to measure molecules.

....snip...But neuroscientist David Eagleman says Holmes' credentials were no better than those of an average student. The mass killing suspect is no elite neuroscientist, says Eagleman, of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

"He was just a second-year grad student," he says. "He didn't know anything."

...snip...Eagleman, a former researcher at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif., where Holmes attended the eight-week summer camp when he was 18, said the young man had a reputation as a "dolt."

Eagleman didn't know Holmes but says the teen parroted his advisers' words in his presentation on temporal illusions. A video of the speech was first reported by ABC News.

"He was just given the presentation to read," Eagleman says. "He wasn't any sort of superscientist when he was 18."

...snip...Holmes' résumé suggests he was trained in dissection of birds and mice, performing chemistry tests and attaching small gene tags to cells to target them for treatment.

"Recipe-book stuff, literally, that every biology student should learn," Eagleman says. As for the grant, Eagleman says, "Holmes is being depicted as some sort of brilliant researcher who won a rare grant, but there are thousands of research students in this country with such grants. Everyone has one. There is nothing elite about it."

(Clarification: In our story published online Wednesday, Eagleman says he did not intend to suggest that all graduate students win research grants.)

Holmes had difficulty with a June 7 preliminary exam, given orally by three university faculty members. It is designed to evaluate students' knowledge at the end of the first year. Three days later, Holmes dropped out.

[elfismiles]

Red Dawn Again
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/ ... again.html

Recent interviews (with Loren Coleman), about the Aurora shootings:
WGN - Mike McConnell: Loren Coleman
The Corbett Report: The Copycat Effect with Loren Coleman

Coming Soon:
Binnall of America
Red Ice Creations
Talk Shoe - 42 Minutes

[yathrib]

More ridiculosity (sic?). Eagleman does in fact say that all grad students get research grants. Maybe Holmes wasn't a superintelligent supervillain as the lamestream media seemed to be suggesting initially, but he was no "dolt" either. This is really pissing me off, and I'm not even sure why. And if all those things he did were to be expected of an undergrad in his field, well... He was doing them, wasn't he? And if he was such a dolt doesn't it reflect on their own critical faculties for letting him get this far? What asouls.

Another debuking effort originally from USA Today concerning the intellectual abilities of Holmes. I've left out paragraphs referring to Jacobson's comments.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/usatoda ... 7CNews%7Cs

Neuroscientists debunk idea Colorado suspect was supersmart

....snip....His résumé after he graduated with honors in neuroscience from the University of California-Riverside in 2010 cites experience in the lab dissecting birds, studying their musculature and analyzing data and graphs to measure molecules.

....snip...But neuroscientist David Eagleman says Holmes' credentials were no better than those of an average student. The mass killing suspect is no elite neuroscientist, says Eagleman, of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

"He was just a second-year grad student," he says. "He didn't know anything."

...snip...Eagleman, a former researcher at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif., where Holmes attended the eight-week summer camp when he was 18, said the young man had a reputation as a "dolt."

Eagleman didn't know Holmes but says the teen parroted his advisers' words in his presentation on temporal illusions. A video of the speech was first reported by ABC News.

"He was just given the presentation to read," Eagleman says. "He wasn't any sort of superscientist when he was 18."

...snip...Holmes' résumé suggests he was trained in dissection of birds and mice, performing chemistry tests and attaching small gene tags to cells to target them for treatment.

"Recipe-book stuff, literally, that every biology student should learn," Eagleman says. As for the grant, Eagleman says, "Holmes is being depicted as some sort of brilliant researcher who won a rare grant, but there are thousands of research students in this country with such grants. Everyone has one. There is nothing elite about it."

(Clarification: In our story published online Wednesday, Eagleman says he did not intend to suggest that all graduate students win research grants.)

Holmes had difficulty with a June 7 preliminary exam, given orally by three university faculty members. It is designed to evaluate students' knowledge at the end of the first year. Three days later, Holmes dropped out.