Belligerent Savant » 09 Nov 2021 11:21 wrote:.And when did someone say these vaccines would stop transmission? I don't recall ever hearing that. They seem to lower the rate of transmission but they don't stop it.
I believe Fauci and/or the CDC claimed exactly this during the early months, or otherwise strongly implied it. Here's one early claim:Do Covid-19 vaccines stop coronavirus transmission? Here's what research says. (Thursday, March 4)
Recent studies suggest the coronavirus vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna not only prevent people who are exposed to the virus from contracting Covid-19, but also help prevent them from spreading the virus to others.
https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-brief ... kly-reviewWhat they do (well the one I've had does, it isn't approved in the US afaik) is prevent systemic infection, which is how this virus can fuck you up even if it doesn't kill you.
It has been reportedly shown to do that for a limited amount of time (approximately 6 months), and then boosters are recommended, yearly. The vaccines can also -- and have also -- fuck you up and kill you, too.
I'd rather take my chances with the virus in the wild. Indeed, to this point that's exactly what I've done. I can appreciate others taking a different route, but I don't appreciate being forced to comply with experimental medical intervention. I won't, unless I freely choose to do so.
Meanwhile there are early treatments/remedies with FAR LESS risk being suppressed -- in messaging, and in the ability of doctors to readily offer them as treatments.
And of course the coercion/mandates/blatant propaganda pushing these 'vaccine' products on the populace as a condition for employment, movement, commerce (which you've indicated here you're against).
I can't speak for the US. Your medical system is barbaric and appears to be run by fuckwits and madmen, including this Fauci character. At no point did people in Australia claim these vaccines would stop transmission 100%. Altho there is a vaccine that does make this claim. COVAX-19, made by Vaxine, an Australian company facing serious regulatory and funding issues that can only get testing approval in Iran of all places. Its a standard (AFAICT) protein based vaccine that doesn't induce your body to produce spike proteins.
I'm very against vaccine mandates. For anyone. If I was under 30 and/or didn't have shitful lungs from years of smoking and fire fighting I'd probably avoid the vaccine myself.
But at the same time I get that that COVID a risk. That study I posted ... about soccer players losing 5% productivity onfield (ie less passing and less involvement in the game) freaks me out a bit. They are elite athletes whose diet and health are excellent. The only potential health issue pro soccer players usually have is from cocaine use or injuries from the game. Six months later they aren't returning to their former output. While there does seem to be evidence coming online now that twelve months later they have its still too early to say that with confidence.
The flu doesn't usually do this. Rarely athletes get pneumonia and it'll take them years to recover.
These players are very finely tuned so illness can mess them up but usually recovery is quick. Not in this case and one of the implications of that study was cognitive decline.
The players who had recovered from covid interfered with team cohesion. Professional athletes can come across a bit trogloditish but their sporting IQ ie ability to read the play of whatever game they are professional at (and often other games), sense of situational awareness and ability to assess situations and take the right options is usually on par with the likes of Einstein and Feynman, but within obvious limits ie it useful for sport but that's about it. (Its probably incredibly useful for hunting and fighting too.)
This coupled with studies showing actual brain shrinkage in recovered covid patients is a little bit disturbing. Endothelial cells with ACE2 receptors are found in the brain.
Professional athletes are generally younger too. there may be questions on their immune systems because of their training load but that's about it.
IMO the virus will fuck you up way worse than the vaccine. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise. There have been millions of people vaccinated in Australia and the number of deaths associated with vaccines is significantly less than the number associated with covid despite the number of covid cases being nearly 100 times lower than the number of fully vaccinated people and nearly 200 times lower than the total vaccination doses administered. And Australia has one of the lowest CFRs for COVID 19 in the world (probably because its a sunny place and our average vitamin D levels are much higher than many parts of the Northern hemisphere. And we have a socialist healthcare system.
As of yet there isn't a place on the planet where socialised medicine is outperformed by wholly market mediated health care systems. Which should be obvious really. In Australia the more the market intrudes intio our medical systems the worse they seem to get. This is also happening with COVID responses especially in terms of regulatory capture and potential corruption.)
I've done my own risk analysis and am comfortable having the AZ vaccine. I doubt I'll need or bother with booster shots.
My understanding of booster shots is that they will be necessary for old people and immunocompromised people but not necessarily for the general population. There seems no evidence that immunological memory (which is the thing that will protect you long term) is failing the way antibody/Ig production is.
Boosters aren't an unusual thing. Older people take flu vaccine boosters every year too. I have had about 7 tetnus boosters in my life and am due for another one.
Do you have kids? In the "before time" my kids would always get sick at school. Except in rare cases the illnesses rarely last more than a few days. Now kids are getting sicker for longer. Because they aren't constantly infecting and reinfecting each other with the same illnesses. This is exactly the same principle as boosters only its happening naturally. We're done with lockdowns here, except maybe in the short term so this won't be happening in future.
Joe Rogan took his chances with covid. But he is in pretty good health for a celebrity and he followed protocols for treatment that included monoclonal antibodies which seem to be more effective than most other treatments and he was onto it straight away. He has alot more access to resources than most people tho.
One more point. I've done the maths myself, its not hard ...
It appears that Covid vaccinations for kids under 12 will result in more children in hospital for mycarditis than the vaccine keeps out of hospital. Provided those kids are healthy and have no comordities. Six times more (ie 160 per million from Pfizers own figures as opposed to preventing 26 hospitalisations)!! This is based on the figures Pfizer gave the FDA and CDC figures for kids in the US who have been hospitalised with COVID. I didn't use Australian figures because kids in Australia are being hospitalised with covid when they don't need it because their parents/carers are also hospitalised with covid and its easier to manage that way apparently (and it keeps the kids closer to their olds some of whom are dying.)
I think the vaccines should be available for kids with comorbidites but not mandated for kids (or anyone) at all.
In fact healthy kids shouldn't have them. (At least at this point. Of course I'd change my mind if I saw evidence that convinced me to.) My cousin's nine year old had covid in the UK earlier this year. She has recovered well and if this is anything like Spanish Flu will have Tcell and Bcell responses that last into her 80s.
