Huge explosion in Oslo

[Stephen Morgan]

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/ ... n-killing/

Last night two masked men in military uniform shot dead a 27 year old man in his home in Sandnes, Norway. Nowhere in the mainstream media can I find anybody wondering whether this is related to the massacre in Norway the day before – even though both were killings with guns, (very rare in Norway), and either this guy really was assassinated by soldiers, or both were carried out in false uniform.

Have I turned into a crazed conspiracy theorist, or is this lack of curiosity a little bit strange?

[norton ash]

You're right, SM, attention must be paid.

[MacCruiskeen]

You're right, SM, attention must be paid.

Very true. A second shooting in Norway by faceless killers in military uniform? That seems newsworthy, to say the least. Presumably the victim's name will be published soon.

Attention should be paid to this too (the most succinct summary I've read so far):

A neo-Nazi who hates Hitler and kills white children exclusively. We have never seen him except in helicopter footage or faked photos. We know nothing about him except from two web pages created a week ago and a dodgy dossier. The court session is going to be closed to the public. It'll be interesting to see what we'll discover next.

[To anticipate a quibble: "white children exclusively" is almost certainly an exaggeration, but it seems safe to say that Breivik did not go out of his way to target non-whites.]

[Peachtree Pam]

Here at this link is a picture of Breivik being driven back to his cell from the hearing, so he does exist, but no word yet on what was said at the hearing.


http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 183090.ece

[Joe Hillshoist]

The views expressed by Fjordland and various other anti immigration anti PC arseholes around the place are getting increasing traction especially in Murdoch owned media in Australia. They still burn crosses on the hills round where I live every now and then. "They" being some bunch of unknown turds. Maybe they're just taking the piss.

AS for the fear and everything. This event has been a success already. A whole bunch of kids who would have been involved in progressive anti fascist/nationalist politics as they grew up are now dead. Like the proverbial 40, 000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, some people might call that a good start.

Its not a false flag attack, unless it was aimed at gathering more recruits for Labour by providing a whole bunch of martyrs to inspire them. This isn't a random attack either - it had a clear political target. Lefty kids. But reasonably establishment/mainstream lefty kids.

Anyway my wife has just mentioned wrt to how familiar the guy looks words to the effect of "He looks like the guy that tried that other bombing or shooting ealier this year, or last year. Not the Tuscon shooting tho."

And for the record, Our former PM, John Howard was considered the most sensible PM in the world and an all round smart and good guy, as was far right psycho catholic Cardinal George Pell, who my Mum has been arguing with since the 80s and who used to spy on her. According to this guys manifesto.

Man thats some pretty weird shit for a "false flag" operation.

It sounds like it was written by the mighty Boosch smoking wilfred's weed.

Seriously.

John Howard and George Pell. Wow.

John Howard is also a big hero of the Canadian PM Harper isn't he?

[tazmic]

Knights Templar parallels ...

A Mexican drug cartel named after a medieval order of knights is winning favour among the community where it works, in the state of Michoacan.

The Knights of Templar say they are fighting a war against injustice and poverty, and they have a reputation much stronger than local police.

Meanwhile, they traffic drugs and create harsh and violent punishments for those the organisation deems to be bad for the community.

Police have arrested an alleged leader of the Knights Templar drug cartel in the southeastern Mexican state of Michoacan.

Security forces said Bulmaro Salinas Munoz, alias "El Men", was arrested in Morelia on Sunday, where he was believed to have been the cartel's local chief since August 2010.

The 33-year-old is accused of extortion, kidnapping and involvement in the murder of 21 people.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/07/201172563859246325.html

"...However, what puzzles the most is Breivik's claim of the re-establishment of the Knights Templar or the Order of the Temple - a group who purpose was to implement a "cultural conservative political agenda" by taking over the military and political controls of certain European nations in the western zone."

"The chilling accounts of Breivik claim that in 2002, he met eight other extremists from across Europe in London where they planned for the re-enactment of the Order of the Temple."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/186077/20110725/is-norway-gunman-the-missing-link-of-mysterious-order-temple-knights-templars-oslo-utoya-youth-camp.htm

[crikkett]

If you bother to make your way through the 700+ pages of slop this guy wrote as I just did, I think you will arrive at a different conclusion.

My excuse for being away this past weekend: a bad DSL modem.

Are you saying that in your opinion the images are actual photographs of Breivik?

Harvey was debunking the images as fakes.

[crikkett]

Here at this link is a picture of Breivik being driven back to his cell from the hearing, so he does exist, but no word yet on what was said at the hearing.


http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 183090.ece

The look of disgust on the three policemens' faces is telling. Maybe he stinks in addition to being a monster.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Also, by my calculation, Utoya is an under-two-minute swim from the shore, and according to wiki, a major international highway, E16, passes by the shore. So I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the cops to get their fat asses over there in under ten minutes from the first call, with or without a leaky canoe.


Swim calculation: 1,600 feet = 0.303030303 miles x 60 min per hr / 10 miles per hr = 1.8 minutes.

See this is precisely the sort of stupidity that makes me wonder wtf is going on here? You expect the cops to be able to swim two and a half times as fast as the 3 or 4 fastest Olympic swimmers ever. And you expect them to do it in open water, not a pool, carrying at least 10 kilos of gear each, fully dressed and I presume in boots.

I think we can add this ageless wisdom to your calculations about wikileaks, Egypt, Tunisia and the unbearable lightheartedness of being a dickhead?

[crikkett]

Color me convinced. I don't think even Hugh Manatee's screenwriters could make this stuff up.

Colour me unconvinced. HM's screenwriters are among the few people with the means and the motive to make such stuff up, not to mention the patience, the leisure and the money.

Reminder: This is a gigantic tome written exclusively in English and published online under the name "Andrew Berwick".

Could it possibly be that our trusted intelligence agencies do not have ready access to many fluent writers of Norwegian? It could possibly be. Fluent writers of Norwegian are kind of hard to find, outside of Norway, and even inside Norway, at least when you want them to write half a million pages of dense propaganda to justify a forthcoming massacre of Norwegian men, women and children.

I think this is relevant to consider when wondering why Breivik wrote in English.

I understand that modern Norwegian is a constructed derivative of Danish, and was foisted upon Norwegians for nationalist reasons. There's contention over which language to use. The majority of Norwegians, this article states, use the older Danish "Bokmål"
http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling ... egian.html

Someone correct me if I'm wrong!

[crikkett]

Also, by my calculation, Utoya is an under-two-minute swim from the shore, and according to wiki, a major international highway, E16, passes by the shore. So I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the cops to get their fat asses over there in under ten minutes from the first call, with or without a leaky canoe.


Swim calculation: 1,600 feet = 0.303030303 miles x 60 min per hr / 10 miles per hr = 1.8 minutes.

See this is precisely the sort of stupidity that makes me wonder wtf is going on here? You expect the cops to be able to swim two and a half times as fast as the 3 or 4 fastest Olympic swimmers ever. And you expect them to do it in open water, not a pool, carrying at least 10 kilos of gear each, fully dressed and I presume in boots.

I think we can add this ageless wisdom to your calculations about wikileaks, Egypt, Tunisia and the unbearable lightheartedness of being a dickhead?

Plus, most Norwegians aren't fat, nor are their cops.

[MacCruiskeen]

The look of disgust on the three policemens' faces is telling. Maybe he stinks in addition to being a monster.

He has the eyes of a dead fish. And that fixed smirk... I think even the most hardened cops must be appalled to encounter someone who could do what he did and still present such a robotically armoured face to the world.

[elfismiles]

A "Stand-Down" of their air defense?

"Do the orders still stand?"

Norwegian Air Ambulance

The Norwegian Air Ambulance is the air ambulance service in Norway organised through the government owned limited company Luftambulansetjenesten (Air Ambulance Service). The service provides helicopter emergency medical service (HEMS) and fixed wing air ambulance operations.

Dedicated planes are provided at six airports, and helicopters at 11 hospitals. In addition the service depends on the state Search and rescue helicopters for a full national coverage. The fixed-wing aircraft and HEMS helicopters are operated by the private companies Lufttransport and Norsk Luftambulanse on contract for the Air Ambulance Service. The rescue helicopters are operated by the Royal Norwegian Air Force 330 squadron

(...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Air_Ambulance

^ I think you're on the right track Mac. The incompetence defense won't wash at this late date. It also wouldn't surprise me to learn, in the course of some future procedural, that there was a terror response rehearsal, scheduled long ago and supervised by the US-UK intel apparatus, under way. Nor would it surprise me if Anders thought he was playing a role in it, if he thought anything at all. But that's a detail that won't be officially revealed anytime soon.

[Joe Hillshoist]

On reflection that should probably be lightheadedness.

[82_28]

Norway to pay for lost years of war children

By Julian Isherwood, Scandinavia Correspondent

12:00AM GMT 30 Nov 2002

Norway's powerful Justice Committee has ordered the government to compensate thousands of people, many of whom were locked up in lunatic asylums because they were the children of Norwegian mothers and German soldiers.

A statement from the committee said the government should quickly draw up a compensation scheme for an estimated 10,000 claimants.

"The Justice Committee statement has shown us an exit sign from the tunnel of darkness in which we have moved for over 50 years," said Thor Brandacher, chairman and spokesman for the Lebensborn Committee, and the son of a Norwegian mother and Austrian father.

The committee's decision comes as the Norwegian Supreme Court prepares to issue a verdict in December in an appeal case brought by 17 so-called Lebensborn children against the Norwegian government for gross abuse at the hands of the state.

The case has been thrown out in two earlier courts, which ruled that such cases all fell under the statute of limitations.
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"I am sure that the Supreme Court will also say that the case falls under the statute of limitations as well, but we then have six months to negotiate with the government and reach agreement," said Mr Brandacher.

"If they will not negotiate we will go to Strasbourg, and Norway will never be the same again. No civilised country can withstand the testimony that would be made public there."

After German troops withdrew from Norway at the end of the Second World War, an official programme of weeding out occupation liaisons began that resulted in the arrest of some 14,000 young women and the detention in military camps of 5,000 girls who were known to have had children with German soldiers.

"There are still hundreds of 80-year-old women in Norway wondering where their kids went in 1945 - they never saw them again," said Mr Brandacher. "Their children were put in 200 institutions as well as being sent round for adoption in so-called good Christian homes.

"But the Christianity in these homes did not exist - at least not what we call Christianity. The stories are brutal and grotesque. Every possible crime the human race can do was done to innocent kids after 1945 in Norway," he added. Many of the Lebensborn children claim that they were sexually abused, beaten, mass raped, urinated on and washed in chemicals.

Reports this month suggested the children had been subjected to experiments with LSD in which at least five died.

Paul Hansen said he was locked up at the age of three for seven years in a mental hospital, along with mentally ill grown-ups.

"I was shoved in with people who ate and relieved themselves in the same room," said Mr Hansen, the son of a Luftwaffe pilot and a Norwegian woman. He is now a cleaner at a Norwegian university.

At the time, official advisers said the mothers of these children must have been mentally retarded to have relations with a German soldier, and thus their children must also be afflicted.

Anne-Marie Grube, Lebensborn child no 5021, now 58, said this week she has lived her life in shame after her experience at one of the institutions. "I was locked up on the first floor of the house, was never allowed to have anyone visit," she said. "I was given food and clothing but nothing else."

The Norwegian War Child Association Lebensborn takes its name from one of the most secret Nazi eugenics projects of the war.

Heinrich Himmler created the Lebensborn Eingetragener Verein to offer young, so-called racially pure girls the chance to give birth to a child in secret. The child was then given to the SS which took charge of its education.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ldren.html