Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[brekin]

Probably never happen but it would be interesting to see Holmes SAT and GRE scores, transcripts, as well
as any papers or online material he posted. Not a perfect record of intelligence but I think it would
help to give us a ball park idea of his capabilities and possibly help reconcile how he's gone from
the crème de la crème to dolt in a few days.

I only watched a little of the presentation when he was 18 and I wasn't blown away but the venue
seemed to be more geared towards science boosterism then a scholastic gladiator game.

[Saurian Tail]

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes claims amnesia
The accused mass murderer keeps asking ‘Why am I here?’ a jail staffer reports. Holmes is also complaining about the food at the Aarapahoe County Detention Center.

BY MATTHEW LYSIAK IN AURORA, COLO. AND LARRY MCSHANE / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

THURSDAY, JULY 26, 2012, 11:45 AM

The Joker is playing the amnesia card.

Accused mass murderer James Holmes told jailhouse workers that he remains stumped about what landed him in a Colorado lockup, a jail staffer told the Daily News.

“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”

Holmes, 24, who is charged with shooting a dozen people to death and wounding 58 more at a screening of the new Batman movie, was also complaining of a stomach ache caused by lousy jail food after his sixth day at the Arapahoe County Detention Center, the worker said.

“He’s claiming his belly hurts him,” the worker said. “He complained once that he didn’t like the food . . . The guy killed 12 people, and he’s upset that he’s not getting a four-star meal?”

The former California honor student picks at his meals on some days, and doesn’t eat at all on others. A typical breakfast would include sausage and grits, while lunch could mean a ham sandwich.

Holmes was arrested in the parking lot of the Century 16 multiplex in Aurora, Colo., within minutes of his bloody rampage early Friday through a showing of “The Dark Knight Rises.”

Holmes surrendered without incident to police.

The suspect remains under 23-hour lockdown, leaving his cell just once a day. Authorities fear that other inmates could target Holmes and have him wear a bulletproof vest during his daily walk.

The jail worker said most folks inside the county lockup consider Holmes’ memory loss a ruse.

“He needs to save his act for the jury because no one here is buying it,” the worker said. “Everyone is convinced he is faking it.”

Published reports indicated that Holmes mailed a notebook filled with gruesome sketches and details of his plans for the attack in the crowded theater.

The notebook was in a package sent to a professor at the University of Colorado, where Holmes was a Ph.D. candidate until dropping out of school just prior to the killings.

The FBI snapped up the evidence after school officials notified them that the package was at the university.

In a statement, the university denied a report that the package sat in its mailroom for a week before the shooting spree.

The package was delivered by the U.S. Postal Service on the Monday after the shootings, and forced the evacuation of a campus building for 2 1/2 hours, the statement said.

The notebook and the rest of the contents were turned over to investigators within hours of the package’s discovery, the university said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1122289

[norton ash]

“He’s claiming his belly hurts him,” the worker said. “He complained once that he didn’t like the food . . . The guy killed 12 people, and he’s upset that he’s not getting a four-star meal?”

I like your style, "jail worker." You could write for the New York Daily News.

[justdrew]

I don't quite get why Loren Coleman is inventing this 'red dawn' concept...

"Red dawn event," a milestone manifestation of unfathomable future dimensions

never been mentioned before has it?

I just say:
Christian Bale -- in -> Rescue Dawn -- about -> Dieter Dengler -- and -> DD, that must link to....


can I borrow an ink-jet prnter, some push pins and string from somebody?

---

running Amok... (why did we semi-forget that word?)

Forensic psychologist says mass killing is about culture, not mental illness


Read the rest of David Dobbs' postabout the difference between blaming movies for violence and talking about the consequences of violence in culture.

Watch the video of Paul Mullen discussing cultural violence, mental illness, and spree killings

Read a very good post at the Neuroanthropology blog that expands on Paul Mullen's ideas and provides more interesting links


via BoingBoing

[GuyWhoInventedFire]

I haven't read all of this thread yet, so someone may have already mentioned it, but I came across this interesting claim about Holmes' father, Robert. Which seems like a pretty startling coincidence, if true:

http://mortgagemovies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/kingcast-and-mortgage-movies-remain.html

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.

To echo what the author says at the end, if true, what are the odds that one family (not named Bush) is connected to two major scandals in this manner?

EDIT: Looking around the internets, it appears that Robert Holmes does indeed work for FICO. However, I noticed the source of the block quote above is Sorcha Faal... so any suggestion that Holmes was going to testify to Congress in the Libor scandal requires big grains of salt.

[justdrew]

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes claims amnesia
The accused mass murderer keeps asking ‘Why am I here?’ a jail staffer reports. Holmes is also complaining about the food at the Aarapahoe County Detention Center.

The Joker is playing the amnesia card.

Accused mass murderer James Holmes told jailhouse workers that he remains stumped about what landed him in a Colorado lockup, a jail staffer told the Daily News.

“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”

Holmes, 24, who is charged with shooting a dozen people to death and wounding 58 more at a screening of the new Batman movie, was also complaining of a stomach ache caused by lousy jail food after his sixth day at the Arapahoe County Detention Center, the worker said.

“He’s claiming his belly hurts him,” the worker said. “He complained once that he didn’t like the food . . . The guy killed 12 people, and he’s upset that he’s not getting a four-star meal?”

The former California honor student picks at his meals on some days, and doesn’t eat at all on others. A typical breakfast would include sausage and grits, while lunch could mean a ham sandwich.

Holmes was arrested in the parking lot of the Century 16 multiplex in Aurora, Colo., within minutes of his bloody rampage early Friday through a showing of “The Dark Knight Rises.”

Holmes surrendered without incident to police.

The suspect remains under 23-hour lockdown, leaving his cell just once a day. Authorities fear that other inmates could target Holmes and have him wear a bulletproof vest during his daily walk.

The jail worker said most folks inside the county lockup consider Holmes’ memory loss a ruse.

“He needs to save his act for the jury because no one here is buying it,” the worker said. “Everyone is convinced he is faking it.”

Published reports indicated that Holmes mailed a notebook filled with gruesome sketches and details of his plans for the attack in the crowded theater.

The notebook was in a package sent to a professor at the University of Colorado, where Holmes was a Ph.D. candidate until dropping out of school just prior to the killings.

The FBI snapped up the evidence after school officials notified them that the package was at the university.

In a statement, the university denied a report that the package sat in its mailroom for a week before the shooting spree.

The package was delivered by the U.S. Postal Service on the Monday after the shootings, and forced the evacuation of a campus building for 2 1/2 hours, the statement said.

The notebook and the rest of the contents were turned over to investigators within hours of the package’s discovery, the university said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289

[justdrew]

I haven't read all of this thread yet, so someone may have already mentioned it, but I came across this interesting claim about Holmes' father, Robert. Which seems like a pretty startling coincidence, if true:

http://mortgagemovies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/kingcast-and-mortgage-movies-remain.html

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.

To echo what the author says at the end, if true, what are the odds that one family (not named Bush) is connected to two major scandals in this manner?

EDIT: Looking around the internets, it appears that Robert Holmes does indeed work for FICO. However, I noticed the source of the block quote above is Sorcha Faal... so any suggestion that Holmes was going to testify to Congress in the Libor scandal requires big grains of salt.

Looks like it traces back to Sorcha Faal, no public evidence has come to light that shows he was going to testify.

However, also the story is claiming Holmes invented things that were invented at HNC, which was acquired by Fair Isaac, what extent Holmes played in those inventions is unclear. Although his (apparent) linkedin profile lists him as a senior scientist, whereas I though he was earlier reported as a CFO-type.

CHAIRMAN JOHNSON ANNOUNCES COMMITTEE OVERSIGHT ACTIVITIES REGARDING LIBOR

July 10, 2012

WASHINGTON, DC – Today, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Tim Johnson (D-SD) released the following statement outlining his plans for Committee oversight and due diligence regarding recent developments pertaining to the London interbank offered rate (LIBOR). LIBOR for the US dollar is currently set based on information provided by 18 global financial institutions, including several U.S. banks. LIBOR is used by financial institutions to set interest rates on a variety of financial products including mortgages, student loans, and credit cards.

“I am concerned by the growing allegations of potential widespread manipulation of LIBOR and similar interbank rates by some financial firms. At my direction, the Committee staff has begun to schedule bipartisan briefings with relevant parties to learn more about these allegations and related enforcement actions.

“It is important that we understand how any manipulation may impact American consumers and the U.S. financial system. The Banking Committee will hold hearings in July with Treasury Secretary Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke, and I am asking them to be prepared to answer Senators’ questions on this matter.”

no word on any witnesses beyond Geithner and Bernanke

[Wombaticus Rex]

"Red dawn event," a milestone manifestation of unfathomable future dimensions

LMFAO! Are you being sarcastic or is that the kind of stuff he's actually writing these days?

Christ, that is precisely the kind of ad copy I get hired to fix.

Everyone needs a schtick, though, good for Coleman. It's your moment, little buddy, soak those podcasts of glory up and enjoy.

[JackRiddler]

what are the odds that one family (not named Bush) is connected to two major scandals in this manner?

Assuming it's even true, the odds are unlikely. But so? Everything's unlikely. Given all the juxtapositions available in the universe, to see one just like this one isn't very unlikely. Or rather, the odds are simply incalculable, and there is no standard of comparison to say what constitutes more "unlikely" than some other scenario, or, more relevantly: what makes a juxtaposition less plausible as happenstance compared to a connection.

I think the death of the poor woman who escaped the Toronto massacre only to die in Aurora is a lot less "likely" than the juxtaposition of killer son with supposed Libor whistleblower father, but who can quanify either juxtaposition? If the father-son-libor juxtaposition is going to be presented as something other than happenstance, we must first ask, what would be the plausible relation? What model would explain why these two facts are connected so compellingly that we should begin to doubt happenstance? (It's not the same facially as the John Heinz and John Tower planes crashing with 36 hours of each other in 1991. In those cases, besides happenstance, a connected, straightforward model can more easily be posited.)

[justdrew]

"Red dawn event," a milestone manifestation of unfathomable future dimensions

LMFAO! Are you being sarcastic or is that the kind of stuff he's actually writing these days?

Christ, that is precisely the kind of ad copy I get hired to fix.

Everyone needs a schtick, though, good for Coleman. It's your moment, little buddy, soak those podcasts of glory up and enjoy.

well, that's a quote from his site, I dont know, gotta make a living I guess, and decided to branch out into secret sun territory, since this can't tie to bigfoot. I guess it's kinda interesting that colorado means colored red, and aurora is the goddess of the dawn. but... I don't know, not sure I'm getting the point of this 'twilight language' - it would seem to require the presence of some 'designer' behind these events, or else is a consequence of blind dependent arising. Either way, it doesn't give us hand over such events. Does it?

and gee, while we're on it, I don't know about this whole copycat hypothesis (it has another name too), correlation doesn't prove causality, and anyway, I doubt it's ever been possible to show clearly that there is any correlation between news reaching individuals of such events and those individuals going on to repeat such acts.

The news blackout on Bridgend suicides doesn't seem to have slowed the rate down, AND it's interesting that Moon points out that other parts of Wales have a higher rate of suicide (I don't know what stats she was looking at to draw that conclusion, but i'll assume it MAY be true). the whole 'copying' thing may be in the eye of the beholder.

[lupercal]

Re the father's possible LIBOR testimony, I wouldn't assume anything is true, but if it is, the shooting would have a silencing effect by discrediting any testimony he managed to give, giving the media something else to talk about if it's incriminating, plain old distracting him and giving him a perfect excuse to bow out, as he surely would.

Anyway I caught a few minutes of Democracy Now this morning, and what do you know, amiable Amy was entertaining the assistant managing editor at Bloomberg Businessweek, who was urging the NYPD-ification of America, supposedly as an alternative to gun control, adjudged to be a nonstarter due to NRA influence:

PAUL BARRETT: Yeah, see, I tend to view the issue in a slightly different way, not so much the gun control movement versus the NRA. I think you have just to come at it from a completely different angle. The different angle has to be crime control, not focusing on guns, not allowing the discussion to be immediately hijacked and sent off into a Second Amendment debate, but instead look at communities where crime has been reduced, gun crime included. Ask what has been done in those communities, and try to imitate that across the country. In a lot of big cities, crime has been reduced. We have to break down what has happened there, not talk about the Second Amendment, and instead say, "What have the police, what have the social workers, what have the politicians in those cities done?" and imitate it. New York has had some success in reducing the crime rate over the last 25 years. What’s happened here? How can it be replicated?

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/26/g ... transcript

Okay, so what was done in NYC? Oh yeah, they let the freaking CIA take over:

CIA's watchdog: No problem with NYPD partnership

WASHINGTON (AP) – The CIA said Friday its internal watchdog found nothing wrong with the spy agency's close partnership with the New York Police Department.

An internal CIA investigation found nothing improper with the agency's partnership with police in New York City.

The agency's inspector general concluded that no laws were broken and there was "no evidence that any part of the agency's support to the NYPD constituted 'domestic spying'," CIA spokesman Preston Golson said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... 52198856/1

Expanding domestic spying is the progressive alternative to gun regulation endorsed by Pacifica's pitchwoman sans pareille? That's disturbing, but at this point, not surprising.

[justdrew]

PAUL BARRETT: We have to break down what has happened there, not talk about the Second Amendment, and instead say, "What have the police, what have the social workers, what have the politicians in those cities done?" and imitate it. New York has had some success in reducing the crime rate over the last 25 years. What’s happened here? How can it be replicated?

push the poor and desperate outside your statistical reporting boundary, into the 'sacrifice zones'

anyway, it's funny he thinks Cops did something to lower the crime rate. Cops almost exclusively respond after a crime. Who lowered the crime rate? Criminals. They chose to abstain (or had been already pushed out of the vicinity).

[justdrew]

what are the odds that one family (not named Bush) is connected to two major scandals in this manner?

Assuming it's even true... <snip>

fyi - I probably quoted that text, but it's not my line.

[ida pingala]

PAUL BARRETT: We have to break down what has happened there, not talk about the Second Amendment, and instead say, "What have the police, what have the social workers, what have the politicians in those cities done?" and imitate it. New York has had some success in reducing the crime rate over the last 25 years. What’s happened here? How can it be replicated?

push the poor and desperate outside your statistical reporting boundary, into the 'sacrifice zones'

anyway, it's funny he thinks Cops did something to lower the crime rate. Cops almost exclusively respond after a crime. Who lowered the crime rate? Criminals. They chose to abstain (or had been already pushed out of the vicinity).

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/14 ... e-20100914

The nation's crime rate dropped 5% last year, continuing a 20-year trend that has cut the incidence of major crimes nearly in half, according to FBI statistics.

Crime experts have cited several possible explanations for the falling crime rate, including better policing, a swelling of the prison population, the decline of the crack cocaine epidemic and an aging population. But regardless of the reason, crime fell sharply during the 1990s and has declined gradually since then.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Lupercal, I don't think that NYC's crime rate went down over the past 25 years because they've cooperated with the CIA post-9/11. Do you? I don't disagree with your point, but I think it's way more disturbing than just some pro-CIA sentiment.

The NYC cut crime by 1) outright cooking the books between senior admin and shift managers so that less crimes got reported, 2) rewriting laws to enable them to keep people behind bars longer, 3) demonstrating non-stop will to win any contest of force with organized gangs -- aka kill the shit out of people in the middle of the street like any other syndicate, 4) narrowing the scope of "crime" itself to the point it's basically a racial issue rather than a behavioral one.

Crime in NYC is important. Crime in NYC has cost the entire world billions of dollars, yet they're still stopping innocent young hispanic and black males in the street every day....and actually providing active security details for the perpetrators.