2016 Election Day Night

[tapitsbo]

SLAD if you're talking about Trump you're talking about every American president too

even the would-be president who called the voices opposing pipelines on native land adherents of Russian conspiracy theories...

me I'm still just chuckling softly over the Wiesel/Trump connection via Gatestone

[seemslikeadream]

human beings can not be illegal....nothing changes that fact


you think he is the only one that believes people are human beings?

if ya got something really great link it out tab.....I'm sure you can destroy a Holocaust survivor if you try hard enough...Hitler couldn't do it but I am sure you can

chuck away ....


did he kill babies too?


bad as Hitler I suppose

One thing that seems more and more clear is that there isn't such a state as an "absence of racism", that the politics of the world are marked by contested and conflicting racial and ethnic identities no matter where you go



P.S. If I'm not mistaken Wiesel was on the board of directors of the anti-immigration Gatestone Institute before his death that scapegoated Muslims and I believe is directly tied to trump via Woolsey and others...

he was an advisor ....but whatever ..so that makes human beings illegal?

oh yea tied to trump...give me a break ...maybe they had lunch one time

Logistically, such a meeting was unlikely; a meeting of the minds between the two men would be even more surprising.

A longtime acquaintance of the Wiesel’s, who had been in touch with him until Wiesel’s last weeks, wondered aloud whether such a meeting could have taken place “recently” as the article suggests. Wiesel, the acquaintance, who asked not to be named, noted that Wiesel’s health had deteriorated in recent months and it is highly unlikely that he could have had lunch with Trump recently.

Trump himself, in his tweet did not mention a recent meeting with the Nobel peace prize laureate. “On Saturday a great man, Elie Wiesel, passed away. The world is a better place because of him and his belief that good can triumph over evil!” Trump tweeted.

Trump’s campaign didn’t respond to an email seeking further details on the meeting.

Regardless of whether the meeting between the two actually took place, it is not clear what Trump and Wiesel would have discussed. While Wiesel, just like Trump, had been a critic of the nuclear deal with Iran, when it comes to treatment of minorities, the differences couldn’t have been greater
http://forward.com/news/national/344444 ... or-did-he/

[tapitsbo]

I don't care a ton about Wiesel one way or another I have no need to "destroy" him, personally. The guy would appear to have already taken a lot of flak for his writings and I have no investment in piling on

I already went over my thoughts on why I think the "no one is illegal" stuff is empty and insincere rhetoric

A strong movement or push towards some kind of global citizenship would be more convincing than the agenda we've seen in the US which seems mostly about cheap labour and partisan political games.

Actually SLAD I am convinced that someone like you has deep concern for displaced people in central america or the middle east...

The Merkel/Soros/Globe and Mail type rhetoric that "anyone should be able to be a citizen of the West" is a lot more insincere though and it's coming from groups who have no problem trashing "conflict zones"

[seemslikeadream]

“illegal alien” implies that a person’s existence is criminal





you are really missing the point here tap......it is not that no one is illegal.....it is that the phrase "illegal immigrant" is a racist slur...the phrase....a human being should not be ...can not be illegal

Repetition of phrases like "illegal immigrant" is like a poison that infects society

Supreme Court decision in the landmark Arizona immigration case was groundbreaking for what it omitted: the words "illegal immigrants" and "illegal aliens"

The term “illegal alien” implies that a person’s existence is criminal.

The term "illegal immigrant" was first used in 1939 as a slur by the British toward Jews who were fleeing the Nazis and entering Palestine without authorization.

[tapitsbo]

I'm not pleased at all that there are stateless people in this world

I also am certain that if you have a legal immigration process you'll also have an illegal immigration process

the dehumanizing aspects of this wouldn't have been solved by Clinton, that's for sure

I do understand why you'd prefer her to Trump though

[DrEvil]

But most of the illegal immigrants are Christians, a small minority is Muslim, yet the Great Orange One only wants to ban Muslims en masse. That's both hypocritical and racist.

There are two different issues getting confused here. Illegal immigration and (legal) Muslim immigration. Nobody's banning illegal immigration, it's already illegal.

You're missing the point. Why should Muslims be targeted specifically? By your logic all white people should be treated as potential terrorists because of Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, Anders Breivik and any number of Christian nutjobs attacking abortion clinics.

Sorry, but this is pure racist drivel worthy of the best of Trump. You want to treat a group of millions like enemies because a handful of them committed horrible crimes.

Sorry, but no it isn't. ISIS could easily infiltrate the flow of refugees due to our inability to screen them adequately. ISIS has said openly that that is their intention. European intelligence agencies admit that it has already occurred.

On another level, you're acting like the U.S. just owes citizenship to people wanting to come here. News flash - the whole world wants to come here because we're awesome. We get to pick and choose.

It would be nice if you took some responsibility for the total clusterfuck you've created in the Middle East and offered refuge to some of the victims. Right now you have about the same number of Syrian refugees as Norway (ca. 15,000), as opposed to Germany with 600,000, Sweden with 110,000 and Turkey with 2,700,000 (some of these numbers are from December 2015 and probably higher by now).

And I don't see anything wrong with treating any number of people as potential enemies, because that's what they are. That may make you clutch your pearls, but it's the job of our security services to think that way.

Again, why does this only apply to Muslims?

No, those are not my "sensibilities" (what a nice way of saying racist!), because I'm not a racist.

I think we all realize you imagine yourself wearing the white hat here.

I'm also not American.

Noted. But if it were up to you you'd feel entitled to just come over here and make yourself at home, right? Without going through our legal immigration process?

Why on Earth would I want to do that? I've spent about a year total in the US, both vacationing and working, and the nicest thing about those trips was always coming home. It's nice to visit just to get a closer look at all the crazy, but I wouldn't want to live there.

I have a higher standard of living and much lower crime rates right where I am (not to mention free healthcare).

[Harvey]

On another level, you're acting like the U.S. just owes citizenship to people wanting to come here

It certainly does to several million refugees from it's wars of aggression.

[Luther Blissett]

Only one way for a civilization to progress long enough through time to reach the phase of their evolution to begin harnessing the power of their own star: to implement totally brutal and repressive deportation dragnets and keep things as uncooperative, myopic, and narcissistic on a planetary scale as possible.

[brekin]

On another level, you're acting like the U.S. just owes citizenship to people wanting to come here

It certainly does to several million refugees from it's wars of aggression.

Word. You destroy a land, a home, a way of life, they're coming to America.

[Freitag]

You're missing the point. Why should Muslims be targeted specifically?

I already answered you. The threat of Islamic terrorism. Duh.

By your logic all white people should be treated as potential terrorists because of Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, Anders Breivik and any number of Christian nutjobs attacking abortion clinics.

You don't think those threats were taken seriously? The militias of the 1990s were organizations whose ideology and culture tended to breed terrorists. So the FBI infiltrated the fuck out of them because that's where the threat was coming from. Sound familiar?

It would be nice if you took some responsibility for the total clusterfuck you've created in the Middle East

Yep. All our fault. America's always the bad guy.

And I don't see anything wrong with treating any number of people as potential enemies, because that's what they are. That may make you clutch your pearls, but it's the job of our security services to think that way.

Again, why does this only apply to Muslims?

The major terrorist threats are coming from Muslim cultures right now. Duh. I'm sure if we were to see a massive number of Buddhist terrorists we'd take a closer look at them too. And the day we have a huge stream of illegal immigrants from Canada we'll build a wall up there too. We must be clear-eyed enough to deal with reality as it is, not distorted by misplaced idealism.

But if it were up to you you'd feel entitled to just come over here and make yourself at home, right? Without going through our legal immigration process?

Why on Earth would I want to do that?

I don't really care. It was part of a hypothetical question which you sidestepped completely.

[8bitagent]

Sadly Im sure both white far right terrorism and Islamic jihad terrorism will be both hitting America and Europe in the coming years(be they "intel" sheep dipped or not)
There are a number of powerful vested interests that want to raise tension and horror to such a level, people won't be able to trust their own neighbors

[DrEvil]

You're missing the point. Why should Muslims be targeted specifically?

I already answered you. The threat of Islamic terrorism. Duh.

By your logic all white people should be treated as potential terrorists because of Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, Anders Breivik and any number of Christian nutjobs attacking abortion clinics.

You don't think those threats were taken seriously? The militias of the 1990s were organizations whose ideology and culture tended to breed terrorists. So the FBI infiltrated the fuck out of them because that's where the threat was coming from. Sound familiar?

Exactly! They infiltrated the extremist groups. No one ever suggested monitoring all white people or banning all white people from entering the country. So why is it OK to do so for Muslims?

It would be nice if you took some responsibility for the total clusterfuck you've created in the Middle East

Yep. All our fault. America's always the bad guy.

Not always, but pretty damn often. No one else does as much meddling in other countries' affairs as the US (see: South America, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc.). There's a reason that so many people hate you.

And I don't see anything wrong with treating any number of people as potential enemies, because that's what they are. That may make you clutch your pearls, but it's the job of our security services to think that way.

Again, why does this only apply to Muslims?

The major terrorist threats are coming from Muslim cultures right now. Duh. I'm sure if we were to see a massive number of Buddhist terrorists we'd take a closer look at them too. And the day we have a huge stream of illegal immigrants from Canada we'll build a wall up there too. We must be clear-eyed enough to deal with reality as it is, not distorted by misplaced idealism.

But if it were up to you you'd feel entitled to just come over here and make yourself at home, right? Without going through our legal immigration process?

Why on Earth would I want to do that?

I don't really care. It was part of a hypothetical question which you sidestepped completely.

To answer your question: Yes. That would of course work both ways.

[Luther Blissett]

…The major terrorist threats are coming from Muslim cultures right now. Duh. I'm sure if we were to see a massive number of Buddhist terrorists we'd take a closer look at them too. And the day we have a huge stream of illegal immigrants from Canada we'll build a wall up there too. We must be clear-eyed enough to deal with reality as it is, not distorted by misplaced idealism. …

This is incorrect.

In the 14 years since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, nearly twice as many people have been killed in the United States by white supremacists and anti-government radicals than by Muslim jihadis, according to a new study.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ied-out-b/