Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[lupercal]

Crime in NYC is important. Crime in NYC has cost the entire world billions of dollars, yet they're still stopping innocent young hispanic and black males in the street every day....and actually providing active security details for the perpetrators.

Good point, profound even. Whatever else this summer's blockbuster psy-op is about it's a distraction from that. Also from the equally predictable Syria operation which is hitting some turbulence.

The NYC cut crime by 1) outright cooking the books between senior admin and shift managers so that less crimes got reported, 2) rewriting laws to enable them to keep people behind bars longer, 3) demonstrating non-stop will to win any contest of force with organized gangs -- aka kill the shit out of people in the middle of the street like any other syndicate, 4) narrowing the scope of "crime" itself to the point it's basically a racial issue rather than a behavioral one.

The race issue is interesting in that whites often seem to be handled differently than non-white patsies, who are generally exterminated after being metaphorically dragged naked through the media, or dragged literally naked, like the Miami cannibal. White guys generally get to live until officially executed, like McVeigh, as long as they don't squeal on camera, like Oswald when he said he was a patsy. At that point he had to go. Speaking of color the red hair is pretty weird.

PAUL BARRETT: We have to break down what has happened there, not talk about the Second Amendment, and instead say, "What have the police, what have the social workers, what have the politicians in those cities done?" and imitate it. New York has had some success in reducing the crime rate over the last 25 years. What’s happened here? How can it be replicated?

push the poor and desperate outside your statistical reporting boundary, into the 'sacrifice zones'

anyway, it's funny he thinks Cops did something to lower the crime rate. Cops almost exclusively respond after a crime. Who lowered the crime rate? Criminals. They chose to abstain (or had been already pushed out of the vicinity).

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/14 ... e-20100914

The nation's crime rate dropped 5% last year, continuing a 20-year trend that has cut the incidence of major crimes nearly in half, according to FBI statistics.

Crime experts have cited several possible explanations for the falling crime rate, including better policing, a swelling of the prison population, the decline of the crack cocaine epidemic and an aging population. But regardless of the reason, crime fell sharply during the 1990s and has declined gradually since then.

Yep holding out NYC as a model of effective policing on the basis of crime stats seems a dubious proposition indeed, and in fact that crossed my mind as soon as I heard the guy make his point, which passed without comment, hmm...

[DrVolin]

Yes, everyone in that field gets funding. Nothing extraordinary there. But the average neuroscience grad student is not the average person.

[Philos]

It seems that many of the hypothesis I have read around the internet are assuming something sinister behind the event this thread is the subject of. Here is some brainstorming. Lets assume:

A. He really did all this, learned the tech to build the bombs, used grant money for the hardware, etc etc. The trial could go private to prevent any of the victims from having expose the trauma even more (wishful thinking). The trial could be public because the details wouldn't blow things the f' up, we're used to it. Generations of TV culture has saturated us with thousands of ways to kill people in graphic premeditated ways. A bizarro culture that enjoys shows and games (guilt free training!) about murder, crime, war, that glorify violence to each other, but not just the violence: the laws we need so as to justify having these authoritarians (and the budgets) everywhere as your real heroes. And its not just violence, its crazy-insane, makes-no-fucking-sense violence, both on TV and out here in the Real world. So if he did it, many people will believe he did it regardless if he did or not, "Crazy insane scientist dude built bombs and learned to use guns, shocker brah." The event would be exploited because these (fear) events are the veritable clay of reality shaping. Has history not shown ritualistic murder to have a rather significant impact on the societal mind?

B: He is a patsy: that is a serious step up in capability from previous models, yes? What's up with his room-mates then? Did he have them or not? Someone related or a friend or someone would have leaked something by now, for sure. "My place was full of BOMBS yo." Yet we hear nothing. Early details of accomplices? Cops, you know, the reactionaries, say there wasn't one (because the cops were there apparently). They also say they got notebooks and other evidence against a suspect during a closed trial a week later that was "mailed to someone". Classic! Oldie but goodie. So the Real people involved haven't said a thing of substance, other than his really good mentor friend who had nothing but praise. Also, the cops are the ones leaking data to the press? Which by the way, what ever happened to those trial things being public for fairness? The reason it all sounds staged is because the plot could literally be from a plethora of shows on TV. I believe HMW would call that prepping. Patsy infers there was something to cover, or an objective behind it.

C: Inverse patsy: Maybe he is being protected by Real People (the opposite of the ambiguous They) right now who want to know wtf is going on due to inaccuracies and what would could be extremely obvious contradictions. Maybe the tendrils of the system haven't quite caught up to population explosion to swallow everyone and everything (but Denver? Cmon). Maybe he actually was the one who did it and activates early so his friends couldn't handle the aftermath, and the entire thing falls to shit. I'm sure accidents happen to Them too. Lets say he was so drugged he was incapacitated after the event and there was an accomplice who performed the act but screwed up the cocktail. The cops questioned the hell out of this, "How the hell did this kid just do all this in this mental state? Vics? Holy crap... no, this is wrong." So they take him in and test him. The room-mates are questioned. Or never found. If found they have no idea wtf happened to him, and when they heard about the bombs, absolutely said there was no way he could be the guy. Maybe the room-mates helped. Maybe they are in comas in the hospital, there's a lot of injured after-all, dozens. Maybe they don't exist, its a deflection as They arrive and try to clean it all up. If the purpose of the entire event is the story, well, small success! Major confusion and misdirection on all sides, but everyone will swallow it anyways, and some of Their heads may roll internally.

Anyways enough of that my brain hurts and this entire thing reeks of ritual. Regardless of what really happened it's pretty much status-quo for humanity for the last few thousand years at minimum if history has any say. Ahh history, you whore you. I haven't quite lost all of my faith in humanity yet, I'm of the opinion that I will never know, so won't "make up my mind". There just isn't enough data available to make a logical decision between the limited choices of "did it" or "didn't do it".

[elfismiles]

Yeah Philos, I'm still rather undecided myself on all this ... though I'm more apt to take Mr. Coleman's speculations with import over that of others.

Here's a new WTF moment for this case:

Dept. of Education Worker Taken Into Custody After Professing James Holmes Obsession: Sources
Police found photos of the Colorado massacre suspect at the employee's work desk and, when asked about them later, the man said he's obsessed with the alleged killer
By Shimon Prokupecz
| Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 | Updated 8:12 PM EDT

A Department of Education worker was taken into police custody after he told police he was obsessed with the Colorado movie theater massacre suspect when authorities questioned him about photos of the alleged shooter he had at his office desk, NBC 4 New York has learned

Police responded to DoE's Brooklyn technology offices Wednesday night after receiving complaints of the employee's suspicious activity. They found a photo of suspect James Holmes on the employee's computer screen and photos of the alleged killer "all over his desk," a source familiar with the investigation said.

The 60-year-old employee was not at work when police arrived at the offices. Police went to his home, where he allegedly told them he was obsessed with Holmes. He told police Holmes reminded him of him when he was younger and that he sympathized with the accused killer because he doesn't like his co-workers, sources familiar with the investigation said.

Sources say the man seemed dazed and appeared to be drinking. Police found pill bottles and alcohol in his apartment.

The employee lunged at cops while inside his apartment, sources said. He was taken into custody and brought to Bellevue Hospital for a psychiatric evaluation.

It's not clear why the man lunged, but sources say there doesn't appear to be any kind of threat. Police searched his home out of an abundance of caution and concern for potential copycat style attacks. No weapons or any other threats were found, and the employee did not make any threats against anyone, sources said.

He is not expected to be charged at this poihttp://www.rigorousintuition.ca/boar ... &t=35141nt, according to sources.

The DoE could not immediately be reached for comment.

Holmes is being held in Colorado after he allegedly walked into a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora last week and opened fire, killing 12 people and injuring 58 others.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Ma ... 82296.html

And did anyone else catch this tidbit of a new level of fucked-upness for this poor schmuck...

According to reports, the neuroscience graduate was adopted and Mrs Holmes, 58, and husband Robert, 61, a software developer, raised him as one of their own.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z21eUv8jT0

viewtopic.php?p=471775#p471775

[ida pingala]

According to reports, the neuroscience graduate was adopted and Mrs Holmes, 58, and husband Robert, 61, a software developer, raised him as one of their own.

Don't ask me why, but I was waiting for this.

[Grizzly]

Witnesses Describe Second Accomplice re upload censorship


Better watch this /download it quick as they are taking it down as soon as it goes up....


The Video of Witnesses Describing a Second Accomplice and Chris Ramos, are Being Removed From the Internet. I've Re-uploaded it
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm ... _a_second/

[Peachtree Pam]

Tightening up on releasing any info about Holmes while at U of Colorado

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... de=1259161

James Holmes' School Records: University Of Colorado Barred From Releasing Aurora Suspect's Info

DENVER — Tightening the secrecy over the year Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes spent studying neuroscience, a judge has barred the University of Colorado Denver from releasing any records about the former graduate student's time there.

What happened to the 24-year-old during his time in the program at the school's Anschutz Medical Campus is one of the many mysteries stemming from last Friday's mass shooting at a theater in which he's accused of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises."

Neighbors and friends in San Diego, where Holmes grew up, described him as brilliant and sometimes awkward but never displaying signs of violence. He entered the prestigious Colorado program in June 2011, but a year later he dropped out after taking a year-end oral exam.

Numerous media organizations, including The Associated Press, filed open records requests for school records about Holmes after he was named as the suspect in the shooting that happened just after midnight July 20.

But in an order signed Monday and released by the school Thursday in response to an open records request by the AP, District Court Judge William Blair Sylvester said releasing information in response to requests filed under the Colorado Open Records Act would "impede an ongoing investigation." Sylvester is overseeing the criminal case against Holmes, who is expected to appear in court Monday and be formally charged.

Sylvester cited a provision of the Colorado Open Records Act that prevents the public from viewing open records "prohibited by ... the order of any court."

Arapahoe County District Attorney Carol Chambers requested the order after the University of Colorado Denver warned her office Saturday about the record requests. In its request to the court, the district attorney's office noted that reporters were not requesting educational records, which would be prohibited from being released, but emails that are not exempted from the open records law.

The order was not part of the publicly available case file until Thursday due to a clerical error, said Robert McCallum, a spokesman for the courts.

Sylvester had already issued a gag order barring attorneys and police from discussing the case with reporters. He has also sealed the case file, preventing the public from seeing the accusations and legal arguments that both sides will make.

Mark Caramanica, freedom of information director at the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press in Arlington, Va., called the order "highly unorthodox." He said it was unusual that a public institution would consult with an outside entity instead of just following the law and answering the request.

"It seems very premature for a court to get involved and make such a sweeping order," Caramanica said. "It seems like a very broad and overly aggressive approach."

The judge's order follows a pattern of a tightly controlled flow of information since the assault. Hours after the shooting, university officials tried to limit information released about Holmes.

About 11 hours after the attack, Barry Shur, dean of the graduate school at the university, sent an email to faculty, students and staff saying: "If anyone is contacted by the media, PLEASE refer them" to a school spokeswoman. Shur's email was released in response to an open records request from the AP.

Earlier this week, Shur denied trying to prohibit those who knew Holmes from talking.

"We told them they are fully free to interact with the media," he said at a press conference Monday.

[DrVolin]

I am puzzled about this whole release of student records thing. The judge doesn't have to bar the university from releasing them, the university can't release them without the student's consent in the first place. I was quite surprised early on to see his ID picture in the public domain.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs97/p97527/CAQ.asp

[Luther Blissett]

According to reports, the neuroscience graduate was adopted and Mrs Holmes, 58, and husband Robert, 61, a software developer, raised him as one of their own.

Don't ask me why, but I was waiting for this.

Solace had this back on Wednesday: viewtopic.php?p=471775#p471775

[seemslikeadream]

Planned Massacre Foiled By Maryland Cops

By CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27) and JACK DATE
July 27, 2012
One week after Colorado's movie theater shooting, Maryland cops have foiled what they believe could have been another massacre.

Law enforcement sources tell ABC News that a man from Crofton, Md., is under arrest for allegedly making threats against an employer and co-workers.

The suspect had more than 20 firearms at his residence, including semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns, law enforcement sources said. Sources also said he had more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

The man was reportedly facing termination from his job in Prince George's County, according to ABC News' Maryland affiliate WJLA.

The Prince George Police Department declined to comment, but said they will be sharing more information at a 1 p.m. news conference.

[happenstance]

"Robert Holmes, 61, is a statistician and senior scientist who received his PhD from the University of California. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ather.html

Wish that LIBOR testimony link would get confirmed or debunked.

[seemslikeadream]

"Robert Holmes, 61, is a statistician and senior scientist who received his PhD from the University of California. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ather.html

Wish that LIBOR testimony link would get confirmed or debunked.

he's not on the list


http://banking.senate.gov/public/index. ... itnessList

[MacCruiskeen]

Summary after one week:

1. Shortly after midnight on July 20th/21st 2012, an unidentifable attacker -- dressed from head to toe in black body armour and with his hair and face concealed behind a gasmask and a ballistic helmet -- entered a dark cinema in Aurora, Colorado in mid-movie, threw gas- or smokebombs into the crowded auditorium, and then opened fire, killing 12 people and wounding 58.

He was dressed in black and wore a gas mask, a load-bearing vest, a ballistic helmet, bullet resistant leggings, a throat protector, a groin protector and tactical gloves.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting

The gunman threw a canister emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting

2. At about 00:45, a person identified by the police as James Eagan Holmes (dressed normally) was arrested, without resisting, while in or close to his car outside the theater.

3. On July 23rd, Holmes appeared in court looking dazed, groggy, sleepy and disorientated. He made no statement and had to be helped to his feet by his court-appointed lawyer.

4. Police say Holmes's apartment had been elaborately wired to explode, and that he himself had been considerate enough to inform them of this shortly after his arrest.

5. Holmes has been in solitary confinement since his arrest, and the judge -- prompted by the FBI -- has ordered a news lockdown. This has not prevented a variety of media from reporting numerous bizarre rumours invariably attributed to unnnamed "authorities".*

- As far as I can see, that's it.

*For instance, it has been variously reported that he is now masked because of persistent spitting, that he wanted to know how the movie had ended, and that he has no idea where he is or why is there. Also that he sent a notebook to his old prof, that it wasn't in the package mailed to that prof, that the FBI then (what amazing luck) found another package mailed by Holmes to the same prof in the same mailroom, that the notebook was in that package (as the FBI later discovered, having taken away this second package to have a look at it elsewhere), and that this notebook had either lain there unopened for over a week or (alternatively) had in fact only just arrived.

We "know" all this thanks to various "sources who declined to be named", despite the alleged (and highly anomalous) court-ordered news-lockdown.

The entire case is a load of crap.

[ninakat]

More from Scott Creighton, on a daily basis. I'm with you Mac in seeing his reports as a mixed bag, but most of what he's asking or proposing seems worthwhile. I'm definitely leaning towards Holmes being a patsy at this point.... the degree of the investigation lockdown being a prime reason.

American Everyman
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/

[Elvis]

2. At about 00:45, a person identified by the police as James Eagan Holmes (dressed normally) was arrested, without resisting, while in or close to his car outside the theater.

Didn't the police come upon the suspect as he was removing his body armor etc.? That stood out to me as important because it seemed to confirm that the person in the body armor was in fact Holmes.