Moloch

[John E. Nemo]

Indeed, but what's THAT got to do with Moloch? Vlad Tepes roasted all his country's indigents, but that's got nothing to do with Moloch either..

No more relevant than the Albigensian Crusade, I'll admit. Topic drift is one of the chief curses of this board, along with rudeness.

For what it's worth, I think the 'passing through the fire to Moloch' referenced in the Old Testament probably meant passing infants unharmed through a fire to sanctify them to Moloch, and later generations interpreted the ambiguity in the most lurid possible manner. I haven't really got much evidence to offer, though. The issue's provoked a huge ongoing dispute among Biblical archeologists, you know. Searching on 'Moloch' and 'Tophet' will get you started.

Your biggest piece of proof for that view would be the fact that archeology has not produced one single artifact related to an entity named Moloch or anything like it. There is the Incirli Stele which suggests the term may mean "first born son."

There is archeological evidence.
I, unlike the useless occultist dittoheads here, actually do my research and don't believe pretty lies.

I expected better of you, Doodad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

In 1921 Otto Eissfeldt, excavating in Carthage, discovered inscriptions with the word mlk which in the context meant neither 'king' nor the name of any god. He concluded that it was instead a term for a particular kind of sacrifice, one which at least in some cases involved human sacrifice. A relief was found showing a priest holding a child.

Further excavations prove Otto wrong.

John Day, in his book Molech: A God of Human Sacrifice in the Old Testament (Cambridge, 1989; ISBN 0-521-36474-4), again put forth the argument that there was indeed a particular god named Molech, citing a god mlk from two Ugaritic serpent charms, and an obscure god Malik/Malku from some god lists who in two texts was equated with Nergal, the Mesopotamian god of the underworld. A god of the underworld is just the kind of god one might worship in the valley of Ben-Hinnom rather than on a hill top.

[yathrib]

I think the source for the Wicker Man thing was Julius Caesar's works on his Gallic campaigns, not exactly an unbiased source. Either that, or pthe psychotic neonazi liar Michael A Hoffman II.

Funny how occultists always want to whitewash pagan human sacrifice and demonize Christians who mention it as liars.

This is the original "Burning Man".
Pagans set fire to the Wicker Man and burned humans alive, as a sacrifice to their gods.


Deal with the truth and stop believing pretty lies.

Talk about historical revisionism...

A picture drawn in the, maybe, 18th century is supposed to illustrate how "pagans" sacrificed innocents a millenia earlier? 1,000 years earlier? Maybe more?

The pagans were the ones sacrificed in ritual. They were the ones gathered, by all probability, and by all- actually proven accounts, as the ones who were sacrificied, i.e. Cathars, late Roman Inquisitors, Spanish Inquisitors, Irish-St.Patrick-Columbines, etc. etc.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

[b]BTW, that goes double for you, et in Arcade Games, you useless ocultist assclown.

Onward, Christian Soldier.

[theeKultleeder]

What strikes me as ironic is that "Nemo" is a central concept in Thelema, as in Nemo ("No Man"), a pile of dust in the City of the Pyramids.

[kool maudit]

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to crack-head?

you useless ocultist assclown.
Fuck you sideways, you little crackhead bitch.

awesome. this really elucidates the history of this figure. enlightening stuff, guys.

[Jeff]

Never mind the Mayans; there's human sacrifice right here in this thread.

Enough of that. It makes for a bloody mess and a boring read. Ratchet down the invective and ad hominem.

[theeKultleeder]

Maybe it's just my dysfunctional family background, but this stuff makes me LOL.

We put the "fun" in "dysfunction" here at RI!

[Stephen Morgan]

What strikes me as ironic is that "Nemo" is a central concept in Thelema, as in Nemo ("No Man"), a pile of dust in the City of the Pyramids.

Computer game Broken Sword 2, the Smoking Mirror, follow up to Broken Sword Shadow of the Templars. CIA agent in Quaramonte. Eidan. Nadie backwards. Spanish for nobody. Later in game: Mayan pyramids.

Just thought I'd share.

[John E. Nemo]

A picture drawn in the, maybe, 18th century is supposed to illustrate how "pagans" sacrificed innocents a millenia earlier? 1,000 years earlier? Maybe more?

Actually, the custom of burning victims alive in the wicker man was described by Caesar in "The Gallic Wars". There's a fair amount of contemporary documentation for the practice.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post that.
It gets tiring teaching REAL history to those brainwashed by Revisionists.

I am constantly amazed at how ignorant the common man is of historical facts.
I meet people with college degrees everyday who seem to have learned little more than how to float a keg at school.

Actually, I think it goes deeper than that.
I think they have a pathological need to restructure the world according to their vapid beliefs.

Brad Holland summed it up best and it applies to occultists, as well:
Postmodernists believe that truth is myth, and myth, truth. This equation has its roots in pop psychology. The same people also believe that emotions are a form of reality. There used to be another name for this state of mind. It used to be called psychosis.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

So asking about Moloch makes me not only a history revisionist, but also psychotic?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

And again, I ask:

WHAT THE FUCK DOES CAESERIAN OCCUPATIONAL PROPAGANDA HAVE TO DO WITH ANCIENT MEDITERRANEAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?

[John E. Nemo]

BTW, that goes double for you, et in Arcade Games, you useless ocultist assclown.

Onward, Christian Soldier.

I know you're not very bright, Arcade Game, but I thought you knew the difference between a Catholic and a Christian.
Then again, since it's not mentioned in Harry Potter books, and that seems to be all you know, how could you?

[b]That soldier has a rosary which identifies him with a mind control cult known as Catholicism.
A Catholic is a Pagan who, like the pagans of old, worships a pantheon of Gods known as Saints.
Like the pagans of old, he worships the Queen of Heaven, but instead of calling her Ishtar, he calls her Mary.
Like the pagans of old, he chants incantations to the Goddess called "Hail Marys".
Like the pagans of old, he participates in human sacrifice that he calls "Holy Wars".

It all started with a guy named Constantine, a pagan who "converted" to Catholicism, but never bothered to go to church or get baptized, (symbols of true faith) and introduced the heresy of "holy wars".

When a pagan, such as a Viking, burned a village and raped the village's women, he was doing the will of his god, Odin.

If a Christian burned a village and raped it's women, he is violating the law of the Most High.

Rapists and child murdering pagans used to be fair game for Hebrews, but J.C. changed the rules, in the name of peace and love (which is intersting, since that's what pagans claim to be for, although their actions are the opposite of that).

That's why Christians known as "missionaries" go to Third World countries and feed the poor and provide healthcare to the sick.

[John E. Nemo]

And again, I ask:

WHAT THE FUCK DOES CAESERIAN OCCUPATIONAL PROPAGANDA HAVE TO DO WITH ANCIENT MEDITERRANEAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?

Re-read the thread, genius.

Baal-Molech worship and Goddess worship spread from the Middle East to England, as mentioned by a poster early on.

I know you're slow, but try to keep up.

There's also a book know as "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", which you might want to read.
Not only does it trace the spread of Baal and Goddess worship from Judea to England, but it mentions a lot about the "et in Arcadia ego" distraction.

Aracadia was a part of Ancient Greece where it is believed that members of the tribe of Benjamin brought their Goddess bull and bear worship and which was a bastion of Goddess worship throughout Greece.

The boook has many such fun facts in it, but it has big words, so you might want to get an adult to read it to you.

[orz]

Folks who go to Sodom kowtow to Moloch, so God
drops H-bombs of horror onto poor townsfolk, most
of whom mock Mormon proofs of godhood. Folks
who do not follow God’s norms word for word woo
God’s scorn, for God frowns on fools who do not con-
form to orthodox protocol. Whoso honors no cross of
dolors nor crown of thorns doth go on, forsooth,
to sow worlds of sorrow. Lo! No song of Solomon
comforts Job or Lot, both of whom know for
whom gongs of doom doth toll. Oh, mondo doloroso.

(from Eunoia Chapter O, by Christan Bök)

[slow_dazzle]

The name appears to have been altered to fit with Hebrew anunciation too - melekh - which suggests an older origin.

The interesting theme that seems to come across, at least from the little research I have carried out, is the reccurence of child sacrifice.

Religious infanticide historically was widespread among the peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean region, but in the cult of Moloch is the best known.

See this for details The article references Minoan cultural practice as possibly being a precursor to Molech so it is possible the name/concept is simply a corruption/adaptation of older terminology/practices, respectively. There is reference in the article to Phoenicia which also hints at a very old custom.

There is apparently a reference to sacrifice to Molech in Kings 2.21 although I couldn't see it writ large after reading the passage.

It would be useful to carry out a comparative analysis of child sacrifice in other cultures to see if it was practised there. The names will be different but if there are sacrificial practices involving offering children to an idol the concept might be something very old indeed.

I look forward to more information coming forward. This is interesting even though the practices may have temporal/physical underpinnings rather than those based in the ether of woo.