Pepsi Creates Huge Orwellian Fascist ARG Campaign

[FourthBase]

No, not maybe the whole she-bang, but I mean when people get a habit of untying the marketing/propaganda knots on their own then BOOM, a lot of the false ideas drop away.

I mean, it happened to me, and most other RI readers... so instead of spinning wild conspiracy mythologies, or making up slogans of our own, why not devise ways to help others see through the deception?

Oh, there I go again, with "gnosis" (knowledge) and "psychospiritual development."

Help people to understand... don't tell them what to believe.

Wild conspiracy theories? Dude...

If there's been a concerted effort to shape and steer human society by a small elite of businessmen, spies, politicians, and generals -- and if that's the truth...then who cares if it's "wild"? How is psychospiritualwhateverthefuck not it's own "slogan"?

Please explain to me what in god's fucking name you mean by "gnosis" and "psychospiritual development", because in all honesty it sounds like a big bag of hot farts. HOW is helping people understand WHAT different or better from telling them the truth as best as can be ascertained?

[jingofever]

'Ratatouille?' Rat in the kitchen? Secret control? 'Remy'- R.E.M.? Get it?

What's the frequency???

Isn't it interesting that a British movie called 'The Kovacs Box' is all about suicide and the names of two lead actors are David Kelly and Tim Hutton?

Oh, and 'I, Kovak' was the name of a biography written by a reluctant mercenary named Les Aspin who was pressed into being a British spook and then fled to HWBush's CIA and wrote that MI6 let a plane be blown up in Rome by Black September even though he warned them about it.

Oh, and the Lockerbee bombing cover up has been coming apart in the UK lately.
And there's David Kelly and Mr. Hutton doing a suicide movie. It's only a movie, right?

Think this is all...coincidence...Pan?

Just curious, had anyone else heard of The Kovak Box before Hugh Manatee Wins introduced it here? Sure it premiered in Spanish theaters (199 screens, is that a lot for Spain?) but it was straight to DVD in the States and I'm not sure if there has even been an official British release (you can buy the DVD on amazon.co.uk but it is NTSC, not PAL). This is one low-key hijacking. At least with Ratatouille people had actually heard of the movie and saw it.

I cannot find much information on I, Kovacks (I assume you mixed up the titles) except for this message, a Google book result, here and perhaps four other Google results. The point being that an obscure movie isn't preventing an even more obscure book from breaking into the mainstream.

I think the Ivy League Disinfoteers can do better than casting Timothy Hutton and David Kelly in a Spanish production that nobody will see. Further example of the obscurity: "Kovak Box" brings up 69,100 Google results, ratatouille disney brings up 749,000, but that is probably undercounting. "Kovack Box" has eight hits and "Kovac Box" has 548 hits, just to be complete.

[8bitagent]

Sorry if I misinterpreted, 8-bit, but you did ask:

More mining of "conspiracy culture" and classic themes to hawk a new product, or something else?

Definately. It's clear that a lot of major movies, tv shows, etc are beginning to mine conspiracy culture for plot devices. Heck they just had a whole episode of some Cartoon Network show take place at Bohemian Grove.

Check out the new Simpsons movie, chalked full of crazy references.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Just curious, had anyone else heard of The Kovak Box before Hugh Manatee Wins introduced it here?

It showed up on the shelves of my local video store where it sits like a little billboard.
Lots of movies are like this.

The point being that an obscure movie isn't preventing an even more obscure book from breaking into the mainstream.

Pre-biasing and dilution are the goals. Psy-ops isn't a total all or nothing task.
I've been explaining this for a couple of years here now.

I think the Ivy League Disinfoteers can do better than casting Timothy Hutton and David Kelly in a Spanish production that nobody will see.

That would be MI5, not CIA. The spook named Les Aspin with the book, 'I, Kovac,' and the David Kelly 'suicide' are UK problems, not US.

And the movie is a British-Spanish production, Spanish government investment money, British actors and language and story.
Bet it gets more visibility in the UK where David Kelly's death and Lord Hutton's inquiry were a huge media event, unlike the US.

Further example of the obscurity: "Kovak Box" brings up 69,100 Google results, ratatouille disney brings up 749,000, but that is probably undercounting. "Kovack Box" has eight hits and "Kovac Box" has 548 hits, just to be complete.

See above. Americans were shielded from the David Kelly/Lord Hutton circus and scandal. But everyone who does the A-Z shelf sweep to rent a video has that title go across their eyeballs, subliminal normalization at a level of awareness commensurate with the minimal exposure of the David Kelly/Lord Hutton events here in the US.

Disney's 'Ratatouille?' That's huge exposure and almost every American child is getting a friendly version of the 'rat in the kitchen' and 'secret control of people' and other memes including the left-behinds of Katrina. Always multiple agendas in psy-ops movies.

This fun-decoy-for-kids counter-propaganda goes back to atleast releasing '20,000 Leagues' to friendly up nuclear submarines before the real atomic sub, the Nautilus, was launched. All new military technology is first a fun show for kids so they don't freak out and go all peacenik and stop joining up to wear camo.

on edit: this below is only partly correct-
Even the Bay of Pigs in 1961 was countered with Disney's 'The Island at the Top of the World' which was a meme-reversal of 'the island south of Florida.'
Good thing they had that show ready for the kids, ay?

edited to add-
The book that Disney turned into 'Island' was Ian Cameron's 1961 book with the negative title, 'The Lost Ones.' My book copy was printed 1/70 with the cover advertising that it was soon to be Disney's new movie but no movie came out until 1974. So I think Disney acquired it and sat on it through Bay of Pigs and until Vietnam cooled down.

[jingofever]

Pre-biasing and dilution are the goals. Psy-ops isn't a total all or nothing task.
I've been explaining this for a couple of years here now.

You've made references to reading the psychology literature. What would happen if somebody came across the David Kelly story for the first time after watching The Kovak Box? Would they ignore it? Be unable to comprehend it? As for dilution, that obviously isn't happening with this example.

That would be MI5, not CIA. The spook named Les Aspin with the book, 'I, Kovac,' and the David Kelly 'suicide' are UK problems, not US.

And the movie is a British-Spanish production, Spanish government investment money, British actors and language and story.
Bet it gets more visibility in the UK where David Kelly's death and Lord Hutton's inquiry were a huge media event, unlike the US.

It isn't distributed in the UK. And imdb.com lists four production companies, three are Spanish and one is British which occasionally works with Spanish movies. The main site is in spanish, but they offer an alternate english language version. It isn't out of line to stress how Spanish the production was.

It may be english language, but it opened up in Spain, and as I said, has no current distribution plans for the UK, not in theaters, not on DVD, not on TV. And to think they could have released it when Norman Baker was restirring the Kelly affair. Strange.

See above. Americans were shielded from the David Kelly/Lord Hutton circus and scandal. But everyone who does the A-Z shelf sweep to rent a video has that title go across their eyeballs, subliminal normalization at a level of awareness commensurate with the minimal exposure of the David Kelly/Lord Hutton events here in the US.

You should consider checking out Netflix, it's killing the video rental stores. The Ivy League disinfoteers knew it. The Oxbridge disinfoteers knew it. Now you know it.

Disney's 'Ratatouille?' That's huge exposure and almost every American child is getting a friendly version of the 'rat in the kitchen' and 'secret control of people' and other memes including the left-behinds of Katrina. Always multiple agendas in psy-ops movies.

Who associates "rat in the kitchen" with the RFK assassination? And by "secret control of the people", I assume the rats were the actual cooks and humans took the credit? And the kids are supposed to generalize this to "secret control" and then they cannot think about Sirhan Sirhan being controlled? Is that right? Are you getting this from the Bible code? It looks just as contrived and is almost as convincing.

This fun-decoy-for-kids counter-propaganda goes back to at least releasing '20,000 Leagues' to friendly up nuclear submarines before the real atomic sub, the Nautilus, was launched. All new military technology is first a fun show for kids so they don't freak out and go all peacenik and stop joining up to wear camo.

Even the Bay of Pigs in 1961 was countered with Disney's 'The Island at the Top of the World' which was a meme-reversal of 'the island south of Florida.'
Good thing they had that show ready for the kids, ay?

I suppose these deserve their own thread.

[theeKultleeder]

In reply to the mo-ro:

Telling someone what to believe is a form of brainwashing. Helping people to see what is right before their eyes is un-brainwashing.

A subtle difference I'm sure 4B is not capable of grasping.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Helping people see whats in front of their eyes is just another ego trip actually.

[theeKultleeder]

Helping people see whats in front of their eyes is just another ego trip actually.

Only if you tell them what to see.

[populistindependent]

Helping people see whats in front of their eyes is just another ego trip actually.

Agreed.

I think people are perfectly capable of seeing what is right in front of their eyes. They need - all of us need - to be freed from the distracting and misleading effect of those who are lying to them, yes, and we can assist each other in that effort.

This is important, because it gets to the heart of the cause of the failure of opposition rhetoric and activism. Too many activists want to aggressively rub people's noses in an alternative progapanda line, and they start with the arrogant assumption that they are the enlightened ones who have a corner on "the truth" and that the people are stupid and ignorant and need to be counter-propagandized.

[professorpan]

It showed up on the shelves of my local video store where it sits like a little billboard. Lots of movies are like this.

This is an important point.

Let me go on record as saying that I, Professor Pan, acknowledge the reality of "keyword hijacking"....

for YOU.

YOU are primed to see "Kovac" on the shelves and make the connection to Les Aspin/Kovak because you are the manatee, your mind constantly abuzz and forming connections relating deep politics to words in popular media.

I, on the other hand, would think of Telly Savalas. Or Sandy Kofax.

You really need to learn to separate your own associations from those of other individuals. Jingofever pretty neatly demolished this latest barrage of "hijackings" -- why can't you see that?

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

Please think about this before posting more spurious examples. Take one example -- the Kovac Box, for instance -- and work through what it would take to engineer it, what it would actually accomplish in the real world (not just in your head), and what the cost/benefit ratio would be. Then, if you're still convinced it's real, do some honest research -- check out the producers, the writers, the production schedule, etc. Look for a scrap of evidence to support what you're thinking.

Then launch it into the forum. And listen to honest critics (like myself). Like, really listen.

Is that asking too much?

[IanEye]

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
YOU are primed to see "Kovac" on the shelves and make the connection to Les Aspin/Kovak because you are the manatee, your mind constantly abuzz and forming connections relating deep politics to words in popular media.

I have researched the scandals and liabilities to power that are pre-empted to make sure the masses don't know about them.

Ever heard of pre-emption, Pan? It is a key strategy in counter-insurgency.

I, on the other hand, would think of Telly Savalas....

Yes, I'd thought of 'Kojak' because homonyms, even partial ones, are used as decoys in the aural culture of TV and radio. Even when we read we hear words in our 'mind's ear.'

'Kojak' aired from October, 1973-March, 1978 and Leslie Aspin was in 1973 tattling to CIA about info he knew from working with MI6 who eventually publicly exposed him in an effort to have him killed, according to John Loftus and Mark Aarons in their 1994 book called 'The Secret War Against the Jew' on pages 385-386. Good reading.

So it is possible that Aspin's codename, "Kovacs," was being pre-emptively decoyed at the time to innoculate Americans from MI6's exposure of their former asset.
Those were rocky days for the CIA and blowback from MI6 dramas would just rock their boat even more.

Disney used the name "Kovak" in their 1976 movie, 'Gus.' They also included some decoys for a Yugoslav politico pointing at fascists in America.

There's also a WWII movie from this time using "Kovak" as a character name, too.
I've forgotten which one.

And that's a good reason to make a decoy for Aspin's codename, 'Kovaks," today, too.
Witnesses to the cover-up around PanAm 103 have been talking over the last year or so and that can lead to someone connecting that tragedy back to the one agent Kovacs wrote about back in 1975.

You really need to learn to separate your own associations from those of other individuals. Jingofever pretty neatly demolished this latest barrage of "hijackings" -- why can't you see that?

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

Please think about this before posting more spurious examples. Take one example -- the Kovac Box, for instance -- and work through what it would take to engineer it, what it would actually accomplish in the real world (not just in your head), and what the cost/benefit ratio would be. Then, if you're still convinced it's real, do some honest research -- check out the producers, the writers, the production schedule, etc. Look for a scrap of evidence to support what you're thinking.

Then launch it into the forum. And listen to honest critics (like myself). Like, really listen.

Is that asking too much?

Blah blah blah.
Oh, I love your repeated use of the magic word, "honest." Clever. One of your faves, isn't it? All while supporting wild coincidences over decades of psy-ops decoys that merely require using...words.

Pan, tell me about your "honest research" on Captain Kirk in the cover-up of Pearl Harbor.

[orz]

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

In the real world, among real humans, your examples fall apart upon the slightest analysis. Over and over again.

[populistindependent]

Speaking as a real human, quite grounded in the real world, I appreciate your efforts at this Hugh. Yes, some of your observations may be "hits" some may be "misses," and we have a way to go before we can put this idea into "scientific" terms that all can understand and that is well documented and mapped. I am going to try to work on that end of the challenge when I get some time. Meanwhile you are busy working on the cutting edge of this, probing and speculating and using your imagination, as any good investigator would do. Thanks again for your work.

I think much of the resistance comes from the fact that you are probing into forbidden territory among intellectuals - the use of words to promote the interests of the ruling class. That is a blind spot for us, and threatens to expose our own complicity, and by extension our status and self-identities.

[theeKultleeder]

Check out the new Simpsons movie, chalked full of crazy references.

This is where you lose me. The Simpsons has a long history of really good writing from a lefty sort of side and of subversion.

What I saw in the Simpsons Movie were good morals that, if I had kids, I would love for them to absorb. The bad government, spooks, and cops were after the Simpson family. The "powers that be" were the bad guys.

As far as a "crazy" reference, how bout when Homer has a psychdelic/initiatic vision with the "Boob Lady" where his "self" is literally torn apart and the pieces are held by living tree-beings?

That was awesome, and it reminded me of Tibetan visualizations where one imagines that one emerges from the body as pure consciousness, and then chops up up that body, puts prayers in it, and offers it to suffering spirits as medicine.

It has something to do with the emptiness of self, selflessness, and compassion in action, helping others.

If you think that is in someway bad for people to be exposed to, I feel sorry for you.