'Illuminati' as 'deviant adepts'

[Joe Hillshoist]

Morgs

I said:

I have met a couple of people I would define as enlightened, and they were active as in the activist sense, and they were compassionate and cared about the state of their fellow humans.

What you want me to name individuals with no connection to this board?

Well I could name them, and the names would mean nothing to you anyway.

What are you assuming about enlightenment? That anyone that achieves it will automatically be famous?

Thats not how it works.

[FourthBase]

How are they enlightened? Not to brag, but I can't actually conceive of anyone being much more enlightened than, say, me. And I'm not that enlightened.

[lunarose]

quote from 8bit:

'Im not sure how countless thousands of people paralyzed by fear from abductee/contactee experiences is "positive"'

i don't see how you took that away from my post. i quote from my post:

'in certain cases people have been healed and their lives greatly improved through alien contact.'

'certain cases' as in 'not everyone'.

[lunarose]

quoting teamdaemon:

'Indigenous cultures didn't have a monster ruling elite persecuting them. The secretive behavior (occultism) is a defense against this threat. That is my view at least. That is my current experience. Elitism is necessary to keep narcs out.'

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it always blows my mind how people who agree that the current gov/elite is completely corrupt and against basic human interests at the same time think no one should be able to associate secretly, away from the prying eyes and ears of the elites. obviously secrecy can be abused, but what's the point of giving away an advantage they have?

[FourthBase]

quoting teamdaemon:

'Indigenous cultures didn't have a monster ruling elite persecuting them. The secretive behavior (occultism) is a defense against this threat. That is my view at least. That is my current experience. Elitism is necessary to keep narcs out.'

ding! ding! ding! ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!

it always blows my mind how people who agree that the current gov/elite is completely corrupt and against basic human interests at the same time think no one should be able to associate secretly, away from the prying eyes and ears of the elites. obviously secrecy can be abused, but what's the point of giving away an advantage they have?

Today, in this world, there is nowhere "away from the prying eyes and ears of the elites", if they are determined enough, if you are seditious enough. Secrecy, ultimately, confers zero advantage today to anyone whose secrets are not protected and enforced by the elite's own safeguards (i.e., through the clearinghouses like secret societies and intelligence agencies), secrecy is not only useless but counter-productive to anyone whose secrets are not the very same as the elite's, to anyone who is not an elite. How many fucking stories do we have to read about would-be whistleblowers whose "most important information" was only hinted at to a few close friends/relatives, often perishing with them? Full disclosure (and the insistence on full disclosure in government) is the only advantage the "little people" have. Now, anyway. Back in the day, before satellites, secrecy was probably a very useful tool. Full disclosure, which would hopefully lead to full awareness and full participation. Can you conceive of anything wrong with full disclosure?

[IanEye]

Full disclosure (and the insistence on full disclosure in government) is the only advantage the "little people" have. Now, anyway. Back in the day, before satellites, secrecy was probably a very useful tool. Full disclosure, which would hopefully lead to full awareness and full participation. Can you conceive of anything wrong with full disclosure?

hmmmm, i think i feel a new sig line creating itself:

"Can you conceive of anything wrong with full disclosure?" - an anonymous person who calls himself "FourthBase"

[streeb]

Actually, in his defense, FB has already told us his first name and where he lives.

Not that I trust the bastard, of course.

[Jeff]

Full disclosure (and the insistence on full disclosure in government) is the only advantage the "little people" have.

I hear what you're saying, but I think you're conflating categories of secrets.

I believe in full disclosure of their secrets, not of our own. (Not that I have any...) Think of the "Anonymous" action against Scientology. Would it be effective with full disclosure on the protesters' part?

Whistleblowers blow the whistle on others, not on themselves.

[FourthBase]

Full disclosure (and the insistence on full disclosure in government) is the only advantage the "little people" have.

I hear what you're saying, but I think you're conflating categories of secrets.

I believe in full disclosure of their secrets, not of our own. (Not that I have any...) Think of the "Anonymous" action against Scientology. Would it be effective with full disclosure on the protesters' part?

Whistleblowers blow the whistle on others, not on themselves.

Perhaps at first, no, it wouldn't have been as effective. Secrecy was useful to get the action off the ground without interference/sabotage. But now, I don't see the harm in protesting Scientology non-anonymously, as long as the power-in-numbers is there and all the protesters know who each other are. In fact, I see continued anonymity as an eventual Achilles's Heel. If the Co$ with their money, spy technology, slave labor, and total lack of regard for the law eventually identify and harass some of the Anonymous pranksters...then they will have those pranksters in a dark corner of a dark alley, to themselves.

[FourthBase]

Full disclosure (and the insistence on full disclosure in government) is the only advantage the "little people" have. Now, anyway. Back in the day, before satellites, secrecy was probably a very useful tool. Full disclosure, which would hopefully lead to full awareness and full participation. Can you conceive of anything wrong with full disclosure?

hmmmm, i think i feel a new sig line creating itself:

"Can you conceive of anything wrong with full disclosure?" - Paul from Boston

Fixed.

[IanEye]

"Can you conceive of anything wrong with full disclosure?" - Paul from Boston

Fixed.

hi Paul/4b,
i wasn't going out of my way to rag on you - i just thought it looked a little "funny on the page", as it were, asking for disclosure from a persona's perspective.

but hey, you know me, what with my obsession with masks and layers and whatnot.

if anyone needs me, i'll be over at the Kubrick thread.....

[FourthBase]

That's cool, dude, I just wanted to reiterate it.

[Skunkboy]

From Jeffs earlier post:
[quote]

The Nag Hammadi material contains reports of visionary experiences of the initiates, including first-hand encounters with inorganic beings called Archons. Gnostic teaching explains that these entities arose in the early stage of formation of the solar system, before the Earth was formed. Archons inhabit the solar system, the extraterrestrial realm as such, but they can intrude on Earth. Interestingly, this Gnostic insight accords closely with the view of Jacques Vallee, who maintains that ET/cyborgs probably belong to the local planetary realm. Vallee also proposes that the ET/UFO enigma is a “spiritual control system,” a phenomenon that “behaves like a conditioning process.” (Messengers of Deception). This is exactly what Gnostics said about the Archons: they can affect our minds by subliminal conditioning techniques. Their main tactics are mental error (intellectual virus, or false ideology, especially religious doctrines) and simulation. Archons are predatory, unlike a wide range of non-human and other-dimensional beings also know to the Gnostics, beings who are benevolent or neutral toward humanity.


My God if we've ever been led down the primrose path these last few years, it's been by our own human version of "Messengers of Deception". It makes you think that the Archons have been sub-contracting out to the MSM and the PTB.


Delving into the Gnostic materials, it is quite a shock to discover that ancient seers detected and investigated the problem of alien intrusion during the first century CE, and certainly well before. (The Mysteries date from many centuries before the Christian Era.) What is amazing about the Gnostic theory of the Archons is not only the cosmological background (explaining the origin of these entities and the reason for their enmeshment with humanity), but the specificity of information on the alien m.o., describing how they operate and what they want from us. For one thing, Gnostics taught that these entities envy us and feed on our fear. Above all, they attempt to keep us from claiming and evolving our “inner light,” the gift of divine intelligence within. While I would not claim that Gnostic teachings on the Archons, or what remains of such teachings, have all the answers to the ET/UFO enigma, one thing is clear: they present a coherent and comprehensive analysis of alien intrusion, as well as specific practices for resisting it. They are far more complete and sophisticated than any theory in discussion today.

I wonder what they envy about us? Our capacity to love, or our capacity for hate? If they do feed off of our fear, they've had a veriable smorgasbord ever since 9/11. Everyone running around scared about terrorists or global warming or nuclear weapons, and the fear is constently being ratchetted up. It's like the "Matrix". We're frigging batteries for these beings. No wonder people are turning to Obama and his "audacity to hope". People are tired of being used. But what to do, what to do? How do we resist? What psychic and physical weapons do we have at our disposal? What should we do?

Skunkboy

Always remember that the true spirit of Budo is that soft overcomes hard, small overcomes large. - Mas Oyama

[Jeff]

I wonder what they envy about us?

According to this theory it would be humanity's connection to the divine, which would be interpreted differently by various faiths. (That we have "souls," for instance, or that we arise out of the "pleroma.") The "Archons" (and maybe "djinn" or "demons") are inorganic pretenders who want our worship and awe, but are at the same time less than us because they lack the light of creation.

[annie aronburg]

I don't have a copy of Robert Monroe's Far Journeys, but I think this is a quote.

There is a special "energy" called "loosh" which is precious and wanted by some somewhere. One of them who collect this energy created a place to grow this energy: The earth. The evolution that has taken place on earth is just modifications this creator did to get more and higher quality of loosh. This was provided by animals who are fighting, during a fight for life, and when ending a life span, loosh can be harvested. But the most loosh can be gotten from the humans; the creator had implanted a part of his own into these humans. When they have feelings like lonelyness, desire, parent's love, grief etc., the highest quality distillated loosh can be harvested, which is by far better than any other raw loosh.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/random/lo ... ective.htm

http://www.gnostic.info/outofbody2.html

People are tired of being used. But what to do, what to do? How do we resist? What psychic and physical weapons do we have at our disposal? What should we do?

Starve them?