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Postby annie aronburg » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:46 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:orz that thing you did with the quotes was brilliant.


What you missed, Joe, was that I had try to edit my post and accidentally hit "quote."

It took me a coupla minutes to fix the error and orz decided that frivolous fun with graphics was more important than Gitmo and torture.

I don't share the urge to play on these subjects.


Some might question the urge to play on the subjects of torture and concentration camps within the trite confines of a rock and roll song in the first place.

I'm not one of them, mind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxZqDRhT7s

I hate it when I have a posting accident too.

I thought Orz' quote-collage-poem-sigil was brilliant bit of internet expression, seperate from its intent or meaning for quoter or quotee.

Some people are visual thinkers and communicate better with graphics.

Some people like to use humour (cdn sp!) to get their point across.

There's a musician/composer/critical theorist you may have heard of who once asked if humor belonged in music.

I think a bit of humor makes the topics here easier to digest AND remember.

FourthBase wrote:I would copyright "mouse potatoes" ASAP, Alan!


Also, I second the mouse-potatoes motion and move that meme transmission commence immediately. Any bets on how long until there's a band called Mouse Potatoes?

That's an old timey punk rock media keyword hijack parlor game, Hugh, guessing what news item would be turned into a band name next, like Terry Fox's Right Leg or Jody Foster's Army.

What, no-one's gonna thank me for the Thingfish pictorial?

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Re: thread o' the day

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:29 am

annie aronburg wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:orz that thing you did with the quotes was brilliant.


What you missed, Joe, was that I had try to edit my post and accidentally hit "quote."

It took me a coupla minutes to fix the error and orz decided that frivolous fun with graphics was more important than Gitmo and torture.

I don't share the urge to play on these subjects.


Some might question the urge to play on the subjects of torture and concentration camps within the trite confines of a rock and roll song in the first place.
.....
I'm not one of them, mind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxZqDRhT7s


'Concentration Moon' (1967) was sung in a satirically maudlin doo-wop style for ironic contrast with the mentioned police brutality.

'The Torture Never Stops' (1976) is a dark searing song that matches the subject and most live versions I've heard bring tears to my eyes. I can see it in those Reagan days in El Salvador and Honduras and Nicaragua and...I've read quite alot of first hand accounts.

I think a bit of humor makes the topics here easier to digest AND remember.


Sure, I actually do have a sense of humor.
But this topic and this week? No. Not for me. Were in another 'surge.'
Time to be suitably pissed and outraged.
We've begun a descent into a serious phase of bullshit fascist crimes to cover for other bullshit fascist crimes just because of dead US soldier #4000... which calls for cover...which is then used to advance fascism even further.

What, no-one's gonna thank me for the Thingfish pictorial?

Annie


I was going to recommend another thread on that stuff.
That's one of the most bizarre times in Zappa's long career of cultural commentary and theater of the absurd. He lampooned all sexual neuroses during the sexual revolution and then even more when gay liberation multiplied the experimenting and confusion.
He thought people were pretty screwed up about sex while being utterly driven by it at the same time.

But you have to put a date on it.
Historical context is absolutely critical to understanding.


Same with Larry Flynt who was almost killed and was exposing not just raunchy exploitive porn...but murderous torturing fascists.
I didn't realize Flynt was exposing KAL 007's spy mission. Amazing he lived.

Before the internet most 'truth' was shut out of the CIA's Operation Mockingbird mainstream magazines and the skin mags like Playboy and Penthouse carried the interviews on 'not-safe' subjects.

>Like D.A. Jim Garrison being interviewed in Playboy about his prosecution of JFK plotters.
>Like ex-CIA whistleblower Philip Agee outing what CIA really was.
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Postby orz » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:00 am

It took me a coupla minutes to fix the error and orz decided that frivolous fun with graphics was more important than Gitmo and torture.

No, I decided it was more important than some ultra-tenuous drivel about cheetos and vacuum cleaners.
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Postby professorpan » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:11 am

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As long as Guantánamo continues to hold detainees, we'll be calling for its closure. We need your help. Download the CLOSE GUANTÁNAMO Toolkit now to find out how you can organize events at home, in your office, on campus, in your community, and online.


And that you would deny that is very telling of your...viewpoint.
You suggest that a movement to stop torture and CLOSE GITMO was about a 24 hour window and nothing more?

What an insult to our intelligence.


No, no, no, my dear manatee -- you clearly aren't reading my posts. Go look at the ACLU campaign and click the links. Go ahead. You can do it. I know it requires a little bit of effort, and how much you dislike actual work.

ALL of the materials in the Close Guantanamo toolkit feature, in very large font sizes (you know all about those, right?), the JANUARY 11, 2008 date. Of course the general "movement" to close Guantanamo is ongoing -- duh. But the ACLU orange campaign is clearly moribund. Who wants to print out a flyer or post a website banner that is clearly out of date?

But really, I should just give up and allow you to continue to make a fool of yourself.
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snack food discordians

Postby annie aronburg » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:12 pm

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Strictly for my Manatee....

In this creepy Cheetos commercial, a woman is doing her laundry when some rude bitch says to her, "You know other people are trying to do their laundry." The woman then notices Chester Cheetah sitting in a chair and playing chess. He says to her in a demon voice, "Felicia, those are her whites in the dryer." He sounds like Hannibal Lecter! Anyway, Felicia opens the dryer, puts a handful of Cheetos in and then closes the door. She looks back to find Chester has disappeared. At the end of the ad, the words "Join Us - OrangeUnderground.com" appears on the screen.

The OrangeUnderground even has their own YouTube page with tons of videos of people pulling Cheeto pranks.
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Postby Jeff » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:24 pm

"Don't Get Mad, Get Orange" was the campaign slogan of the NDP in the last Ontario provincial election. Unfortunately.

And all because the NDP hasn't had its colours done since the 1970s.

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Postby nomo » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:30 pm

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Angelina Jolie buys Cheetos for her kids! OMG WTF!!!1!
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Postby Jeff » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:50 pm

nomo wrote:Angelina Jolie buys Cheetos for her kids! OMG WTF!!!1!


You forgot This is HUGH and SERIES!!!11!!!
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Samantha who? Tara who?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:38 pm

Jeff wrote:"Don't Get Mad, Get Orange" was the campaign slogan of the NDP in the last Ontario provincial election. Unfortunately.
.....


American youth are mostly immersed in psy-ops cues related to American media-politics but do get a little innoculation against potentially naughty subversives just over the border.

Just for you, Jeff...
Anyone heard of an award-winning Canadian broadcaster named...and this is her real name...Tara McCool?

Spielberg AGAIN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Tara

The United States of Tara is an upcoming sitcom on the Showtime Network. It was developed by Academy Award-winning screenwriter and author, Diablo Cody, who wrote the pilot based on an idea by Steven Spielberg. It was given a green light in April 2007. Oscar-nominee Toni Collette has been cast in the title role and filming will begin on April 14, 2008.[1] It centers around a wife and mother of two teenage girls with dissociative identity disorder. Some of Tara's personalities will include an aggressive male biker, a promiscuous teenage girl, and a Martha Stewart–like homemaker.[2]

Jason Reitman has agreed to direct the pilot.[3] Robert Greenblatt, the president of Showtime, described the series as "a sort of Weeds meets Sybil or The Three Faces of Eve."[2] The series is to be shot in single camera and is being co-produced by Spielberg's DreamWorks Television.[4]
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:24 pm

Allow me to echo Fourth Base.

The timing of the "Orange Underground" mental pollution is almost certainly related to the Wear Orange anti-Guantanomo campaign - unclear whether as a glom to exploit, or as a psyop to undermine. (Either way it has undermining effects.) You still have to do the guts work. Who's the ad agency? What are their contacts?

But you veer off into the very flimsy Zappa connection. This may be an association to you, but to almost no one else.
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More inoculation theory and advice from Col. Lansdale

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:10 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Allow me to echo Fourth Base.

The timing of the "Orange Underground" mental pollution is almost certainly related to the Wear Orange anti-Guantanomo campaign - unclear whether as a glom to exploit, or as a psyop to undermine. (Either way it has undermining effects.) You still have to do the guts work. Who's the ad agency? What are their contacts?

But you veer off into the very flimsy Zappa connection. This may be an association to you, but to almost no one else.


The Zappa connection is obscure but 100% real, not "flimsy."
It is as real as torture scars.

One should not equate "real" with "effective."
That would eliminate the Iraq occupation as not being "real."

I agree few on the receiving end will get the Zappa referance from his movie made on a concentration camp set. I well know how obscure Zappa's idiosyncracies are to the masses at the same time he is well known to the fascist psy-ops boys for his pointing the finger at them. Zappa toured in election year 1988 singing songs about the Republican candidates and suggesting AIDS was a CIA biowarfare agent.

Oh, the spooks know Zappa alright.

So Zappa still symbolizes deeply if not widely the warning against American crypto-fascism, which is a subject being countered vigorously lately.

So on the sending end, the hijacking of a Zappa character linked to a Gitmo-like prison camp in '200 Motels' reinforces my assertion that-
the designers of the ad campaign KNEW they were countering a campaign to end concentration camp torture.

That's worth noting.
It strengthens my exposure of the Cheetos vs Gitmo campaign, not the opposite.

Maybe the ad boys were directed to try and work in a Zappa riff and that was what they came up with. Given the recently amplified admissions of NSA datamining surveillance, the figure of an industrial vacuum cleaner is even more appropriate on that theme in addition to camps and torture.

The CIA's psy-ops/counterinsurgency legend, Colonel Lansdale, wrote that allowing humor in the work of psy-operators was good for the effort since the prankster's motivation of putting one over on the target audience was an excellent motivational force.

source-
The Art and Science of Psychological Operations: Case Studies of Military Application, Pamphlet No. 525-7-2 Volume II, page 767-768
"Practical Jokes"
by Edward Geary Lansdale

Some inactive avenues are opened when PSYOP is thought of as an opportunity to play "practical jokes." Results often justify the concept.

Conventional military men think of combat psywar almost exclusively in terms of leaflets or broadcasts appealing to the enemy to surrender. Early on, I realized that psywar had a wider potential than that. A whole new approach opens up, for example, when one thinks of psywar in terms of playing a practical joke.
.....
When I introduced the practical-joke aspect of psywar to the Phillipine Army, it stimulated some imaginative operations that were remarkably effective.


I've found inside jokes in Disney psy-ops before put there by cocky clever psy-operators who wish more people knew how clever they were while they are tasked with putting one over on little Johnny and Jane, pictograms that spelled out lewd jokes. This is not the same as hiding a phallus in the background, though similar.

There's going to be lots more of this and I recommend that people study inoculation theory to learn to recognize it as it goes by.
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Re: More inoculation theory and advice from Col. Lansdale

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:38 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
I've found inside jokes in Disney psy-ops before put there by cocky clever psy-operators who wish more people knew how clever they were while they are tasked with putting one over on little Johnny and Jane, pictograms that spelled out lewd jokes. This is not the same as hiding a phallus in the background, though similar.

There's going to be lots more of this and I recommend that people study inoculation theory to learn to recognize it as it goes by.


Can you post some examples of these jokes? I'd be interested in seeing them.

You're not referring to this stuff are you?
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Frito Bandito?

Postby MinM » Thu May 31, 2012 9:01 am

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Mexican drug cartels target Doritos and Cheetos

May 29, 2012|By the CNN Wire Staff

Mexico City (CNN) -- Products like Ruffles, Doritos and Cheetos may be among the latest targets of cartel violence in Mexico.

Authorities said armed attackers over the weekend set ablaze warehouses and delivery trucks for Sabritas, a subsidiary of PepsiCo that distributes many of the company's snack foods in Mexico.

Five of the company's distribution centers were attacked in the states of Guanajuato and Michoacan, officials said. Sabritas has not provided details about the damage, but Mexico's state-run Notimex agency said the attacks caused "serious material losses." No one was injured or killed, authorities said.

On Monday, authorities arrested four suspects who they said were members of the Knights Templar, a cartel that officials have accused of extorting business owners, decapitating and dismembering kidnapping victims and setting vehicles ablaze to block roads during shootouts with police.

The suspects in this month's attacks face charges of aggravated arson, but federal authorities are investigating them for connections with organized crime, Guanajuato state prosecutors said.

To prevent further attacks, state authorities were guarding 10 of the company's warehouses on Tuesday in Michoacan, a Knights Templar stronghold, Notimex reported.

Sabritas said it was working with authorities to investigate the attacks.

"The company is taking all the necessary measure to re-establish the operation as soon as possible (in the affected distribution centers). Sabritas reiterates that its priority will always be the safety of all its collaborators," the company said Monday.

Word of the attacks quickly spread in Mexico's business community, with the leader of at least one industry group saying seeing such a large company fall victim to violence could discourage others from investing in the country.

Already, amid widespread threats and extortion, many companies are devoting an increasing portion of their budgets to security, Sergio Cervantes Rodiles, president of the National Chamber of Transformation Industries, told Notimex.

The head of another national business group condemned the attacks Tuesday and called on authorities to punish the perpetrators.

"The hurting or threatening of companies, which are the principal generators of wealth and jobs in Mexico, must not be allowed under any circumstances," Confederation of National Chambers of Commerce President Jorge Davila Flores said in a statement.

Analysts have argued that Mexico's economy is thriving, despite widespread violence in a drug war that has claimed more than 47,500 lives since President Felipe Calderon began a crackdown on cartels in December 2006.

Gun and bomb attack on hotel in Mexican border town wounds 10

Speaking at a regional security conference in Cancun on Monday, Calderon said that organized crime was a threat to democracy and economic growth.

"Organized crime is also a threat to growth and development, and an obstacle for prosperity. It attacks companies and businesses, big and small storekeepers, and with that infringes on the urgent need to generate jobs and employment for our people," he said.

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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:11 am

FourthBase wrote:Hugh. Dude.

It behooves you to pick your battles.
The Zappa thing here is beyond weak.
You're right about him being somebody they'd target...
But the example here is just pure over-imagination on your part.

Meanwhile, you've got a rare putative example of KH that might actually have "stickiness", and you're letting it rot. You're feeding your critics with the Zappa shit, and they're eating it up and deservedly mocking you for it, and the legit thing you brought up is getting ignored. Fucking priorities dude. Put down the Zappa shit for now. Bring it up later. But cut bait, man. You've got a bigger fish (perhaps an actual fish) nibbling on another line, and the pole is slipping off the boat.


That was always the problem. If he'd stuck to his top 10, and Orange Underground is one of them, he'd have had a collection to spook the fuck out of people.

EDIT: Ack! Just saw I made this same comment four years ago!

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Re: ACLU"wear orange"+Cheetos "OrangeUndergound

Postby MinM » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:36 pm

Anastacia Marx de Salcedo Science Date of Publication: 08.07.15

How the US Military Helped Invent Cheetos

Cheese is one of the bedrocks on which the Western diet is founded—a long‑term storage method for excess milk, especially when cool storerooms and caves were available. But the food didn’t fare so well during summer or in hot climates. With heat, animal fat softens or even liquefies, oozing out and creating an oily and unappealing mess.

In the early twentieth century, dairymen on either side of the Atlantic—the Swiss duo Walter Gerber and Fritz Stettler in 1911 and James Kraft in 1916—hit on and patented a solution to the seasonal sweats: emulsifying salts. The chemical disperses water‑phobic caseins by exchanging sodium for calcium; this permits the now smaller particles to be diffused and suspended in liquid. Melting traditional cheeses and mixing them with the emulsifying salts resulted in a cheese‑like product that withstands high temperatures and protracted storage.

Even better, this new food could be made and sold very cheaply, because it could be produced, at least in part, from the rinds and irregular bits left over from cutting wheels of cheese into bricks. Melting the ingredients also pasteurized them, inactivating the live bacteria and enzymes and contributing to a longer shelf life.

The army placed its first order for processed cheese–which at the beginning, came in only one flavor: white—during World War I, buying twenty‑five million quarter‑pound tins from Kraft. This single act probably established Kraft’s century‑long (and still going strong) food industry hegemony. By the time World War II rolled around, the military was a raving cheeseaholic, consuming the dairy product by itself, on sandwiches, or as sauces for vegetables, potatoes, and pasta.

In 1944 alone, the Quartermaster Corps bought more than one hundred million pounds from Kraft’s parent company, National Dairy Products Corporation (which finally itself took the Kraft name in 1969), as well as five hundred thousand pounds of cheese spread (bacon bits optional) to accompany the K and some of the C rations. During the war, the company’s sales almost doubled. But it still wasn’t enough. The military was hungry for new ways to store, ship, and eat cheese.

At the beginning of the war, the army had embarked on a dehydration‑ and‑compression spree—by removing heavy water and reducing its volume, more food could be packed into a single shipment, always an advantage when there are millions of mouths to feed. All foodstuffs except meat were run through the drying chambers and squashed into bricks—fruits and vegetables, flour, potatoes, eggs, and cheese.

As would become its historic pattern, the military funded or supported a variety of efforts, some of which were destined to die a quiet death and others that would garner glory, becoming wartime staples and the basis for future consumer products. Cheese dehydration research was conducted by the Quartermaster Corps’ Subsistence Research Laboratory, through the USDA laboratories, at various universities, including the University of California at Davis, and by industry, notably Kraft.

Unless a food has a strong and flexible internal structure—think cellulose, the long chains of sugar molecules that give plant cells their rigidity—it crumbles when it dries out, something food technologists call fines. One can imagine the first experiment in drying and pressing a proud block of Wisconsin cheddar: cheese dust. This ruled out eating reconstituted cheese out of hand in slices or chunks. But for cooking, the granular form would be an advantage.

The first real cheese powder was developed in 1943 by George Sanders, a USDA dairy scientist. (Even before the war began, USDA’s research facilities had been enlisted to work toward military goals, exhorted by Secretary of Agriculture Henry Wallace “to consider their possible contributions to national needs as the defense program approaches the stage of ‘maximum effort.” This relationship continues to this day; the USDA has collaborated with the Quartermaster Corps and later the Natick Center on topics as varied as chemical testing, fungi collection and classification, potatoes, dairy, and, from 1980 on, operation of the army’s radiation food sterilization program.)

Until then, it had been “considered impossible to dehydrate natural, fat‑containing cheese,” because the heat melted the fat, which then separated out. Sanders’s innovation was to divide the process into two steps. In the first, the cheese, shredded or grated, was dried at a low temperature; this hardened the surface proteins of the particles, forming a protective barrier around the lipids. Once sufficient water had been evaporated, the cheese was ground and dehydrated at a higher temperature. The final step was to form it into what the patent describes as cakes. A 1943 war bond ad unveiled the product to the public with a picture of a bare‑chested solider feeding a second soldier bundled up in a parka with a cheese cake on a pointy stick:

For jungle or ski troops—a new kind of cheese! . . . But they should taste the same—and taste good—wherever they’re eaten. That has meant many headaches for the Army Quartermaster Corps and the food processors who supply them. . . . For emergency use in arctic and tropics, National Dairy laboratories developed a dehydrated, compressed cheese that keeps well anywhere and takes less shipping weight and space.

In the summer of 1945, Little Boy and Fat Man were detonated in Japan, ending the war and leaving the Quartermaster Corps with warehouses full of food as well as an elaborate manufacturing and distribution system still churning out goods for millions of troops. This would take years to redirect or dismantle. Fearful of the effect of the sudden withdrawal of its huge wartime contracts, the government propped up the dairy business first by buying their excess product and then, in some cases, by selling it back to them at lower prices. (The Commodity Credit Corporation, created during the Great Depression and still in existence, would later distribute these surpluses to welfare recipients and the elderly—the storied “government cheese.”) A temporary federal agency, the Surplus Property Administration, sold off at bargain‑basement prices the food the Quartermaster Corps had amassed.

Who doesn’t love something they get for free or at a third of the original cost? But what could one do with football fields full of potato flakes, a cave stuffed with dried eggs (the army’s strange storage location for one hundred million pounds of the stuff), or a mountain of dehydrated cheese?

Well, there was one group always interested in lowering the cost of finicky fresh ingredients: the grocery manufacturers, businesses such as Swift, Quaker Oats, General Foods, General Mills, Libby’s, Borden, McCormick, Colgate‑Palmolive, Gerber, Scott Paper, Kellogg’s, Pillsbury, and Kraft. (The strength of the companies that produced the packaged goods that lined the nation’s nascent supermarkets, many with deep military ties, only grew over the next century, as did that of their trade group, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, today the food industry’s most powerful lobbying organization.)

Perhaps instead of real cheese, the food corporations could mix in the cheap powder to add flavor. Not only would they save outright on the cost of ingredients, they’d pay a lot less to ship and store it—after all, that was the army’s primary purpose in developing dehydrated cheese in the first place. These ration conversions inspired a flood of fledgling products, particularly in the new and growing categories of convenience and snack foods.

In 1948 the Frito Company (it merged with H. W. Lay & Company in 1961 to become Frito‑Lay, Inc.) debuted the country’s first cheesy snack food, made with the same Wisconsin cheddar the army used for its dehydrated products. Frito Company founder Charles Doolin had been a military supplier, even building a facility in San Diego, where there is a naval base, to service his contracts.

According to his daughter Kaleta Doolin, “During the war, tins of chips were sent overseas to be served in mess halls and sold in PXs. This venture helped put the company over the top as a nationwide business.” Afterward, new plants were opened in Dallas, Los Angeles, and Salt Lake City, where soon cornmeal and water were being extruded, puffed, fried in oil, and coated with finger‑licking, orange dehydrated cheese. Cheetos!

Excerpted from Combat-Ready Kitchen: How the U.S. Military Shapes the Way You Eat, in agreement with Current, an imprint of Penguin Publishing Group, a division of Penguin Random House LLC. Copyright © Anastacia Marx de Salcedo, 2015.

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