If you had 1 message to save the world? - CIA=Media

[lupercal]

Apart from the purpose you arbitrarily ascribe to the Weekly on the basis of the highly suspect year in which Stone started it, what else do ya got, lupercal?

Well, there's this, from a highly skilled investigative journalist: "I regard the case against Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone killer of the President as conclusive." Frankly what else do you need?

When I read it in the context of the several sentences surrounding it, and also when I recall the thousands and thousands of other sentences written by I.F. Stone, and -- most especially -- when I bear in mind that the publication of that one sentence not only had no fucking impact at all on anything, but also that only a socially handicapped person with very few communication skills who was living in a completely imaginary universe would ever even have expected it to at the time -- what I need is some basis in fact or reason to believe that Stone was CIA.

Frankly.

Yes I'm sure you're the expert in social skills. As far as Izzie goes he's just one in a long line media mockingbirds who sold his cred to the CIA and no amount of context can change that, so deal with it.

[Jeff]

Step away from the manatee.

There are many reasons why I.F. Stone might have been conspiracy averse, none of which requires instruction from the CIA. I won't say it's impossible, but if this is all you got it falls short of even a credible contention and hits the bull's eye of character assassination.

[lupercal]

Jeff, I will happily add IMHO, in my view, etc., but IMHO and in my view etc., when a writer as keen to the wiles of power as Stone, Cockburn, or Chomsky develops a huge and implacable blind spot toward the most consequential crime of the last half century, an act of treason that enabled the whole sickening litany of state crimes we're witnessing now including multiple wars and millions of deaths, then the accolades heaped by the rest of the mockingbird press sound a little hollow. Again, JMHO.

[compared2what?]

Apart from the purpose you arbitrarily ascribe to the Weekly on the basis of the highly suspect year in which Stone started it, what else do ya got, lupercal?

Well, there's this, from a highly skilled investigative journalist: "I regard the case against Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone killer of the President as conclusive." Frankly what else do you need?

When I read it in the context of the several sentences surrounding it, and also when I recall the thousands and thousands of other sentences written by I.F. Stone, and -- most especially -- when I bear in mind that the publication of that one sentence not only had no fucking impact at all on anything, but also that only a socially handicapped person with very few communication skills who was living in a completely imaginary universe would ever even have expected it to at the time -- what I need is some basis in fact or reason to believe that Stone was CIA.

Frankly.

Yes I'm sure you're the expert in social skills.

No, far from it. But if your aim is, as it seems, to suggest that I'm so widely disliked in this venue that my unpopularity is common knowledge, you've succeeded both in conveying that message and, in a small way, causing me to feel hurt and uncertain of myself. As pretty much anyone would over whom that shadow fell, I believe.

So: Way to go.

As far as Izzie goes he's just one in a long line media mockingbirds who sold his cred to the CIA and no amount of context can change that, so deal with it.

In other words, you got nothing. I again encourage you to read I.F. Stone more extensively. You won't regret it, if you're interested in politics and like reading, I guarantee.

[Nordic]

[compared2what?]

You're right, Nordic. My apologies to you, and to all.

Agitate, educate, organize.

Though not necessarily in that order.

[OP ED]

no retreat. no surrender.

no compromises.

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no time left for any of that nonsense.

[Sounder]

OMH wrote…

Also, Hugh, Could it be possible you put far too much stock into the whole CIA is the criminal culprit of everything bad meme?

But, but, but, ya gotta have a man behind the curtain.

The agency is a tool. Who is behind the the tool? What other tools are there to use? Hell, maybe the british royalty and vatican papals in conjunction with occultic tools beyond most's realization, really are the world's dominators?*

The only thing dominating this world is our fractured psyches.

The more you grasp and hold to current forms of understanding, the more you will suffer during the ‘uncovering’. Our ‘personal identities’ are built on false assumptions hidden under bluff and bravado. Alas, it seems this message will have no meaning until societal collapse causes more people to admit to how deep the conditioning reaches. (It does not stop or even start with the CIA) Only then will we really learn something about creative potentials.

The manifest expression reflects the balance between order and liberty within consciousness.

[OP ED]

No, far from it. But if your aim is, as it seems, to suggest that I'm so widely disliked in this venue that my unpopularity is common knowledge, you've succeeded both in conveying that message and, in a small way, causing me to feel hurt and uncertain of myself. As pretty much anyone would over whom that shadow fell, I believe.

So: Way to go.

now don't let's be silly.

You're right, Nordic. My apologies to you, and to all.

Agitate, educate, organize.

Though not necessarily in that order.

Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.
--Freddy Douglass

[compared2what?]

Agitate, educate, organize.

Though not necessarily in that order.

Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.
--Freddy Douglass

No doubt. I just meant that the best kind of agitation is educated organized agitation.

And, you know. Since this is notional, I don't see why I should have to worry about going to save the world with the agitators we have, not the agitators we might want to have.

[OP ED]

We must not believe the many, who say that only free people ought to be educated, but we should rather believe the philosophers who say that only the educated are free.

Epictetus

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i lifted both of these quotes, though i own the writings they reside in, from one of my favorite websites for such things.
i found it some time ago while looking for a different quote:

The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the government.--FDR

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the world is not my problem.

[OP ED]

(Epictetus was also born of slaves)

[Avalon]

Wash your hands.

Don't share pens.

[Perelandra]

Food Not Lawns

[AJ Hidell]

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