Texas daycare groomed kids for sex parties

[lightningBugout]

great summary lurq. the point about the videocassettes is very interesting. rather than being unsophisticated, they may have been overly so - ie keeping the films on videocassettes and never digitizing them allowed them, apparently, to keep the images from leaking out of their control and to destroy them easily. never thought of this but it makes a hell of a lot of sense. i bet it is common.

[Lurquacious]

Teacher jailed for rape of girl
It doesn't say it there, oddly, but the radio report mentioned that he had taken "indecent pictures" of his pupils and that he was close friends with the parents of the victim.

From a link on the same BBC page: Neo-Nazi had child abuse images
(Though I don’t really see the connection to the Mineola Swingers.)

[Lurquacious]

Thanks, lightning. Yes, you may have a point about retaining control of the images.

[posting tulpa]

this just in

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/myfox/pages/ ... geId=3.2.1


seems this case is a little closer to home for me than the subject of the thread...but illustrates this problem is far and wide.

[stefano]

Re that BBC story, the flag behind the guy's head is an AWB thing, an Afrikaner movement that wanted to stop the National Party in South Africa surrendering white political power in the early 1990s. They were quite a big deal at one stage, led by one of the best orators I've ever heard, Eugene Terreblanche. Then a few of them started a gunfight with (black) policemen and got shot, and it changed the feel of the transition completely... very powerful image actually right at that moment, the bearded whites being the dangerous criminals and the blacks with assault rifles representing law and order.

From what friends tell me the Afrikaners you run into in London these days tend to be right-wingers, ranting about how the blacks have fucked up the country etc. etc., the kind of stuff BNP types love to hear (along with bad news about Zimbabwe).

[biaothanatoi]

Children's confessions can be very problematic, to me it's an open questions for whose needs they were performing and in what way.

Children's disclosures of abuse are "confessions"? Interesting Freudian slip.

I don't know what basis you are drawing your conclusions from about children's suggestibility.

There is little empirical evidence to support the notion that children are more suggestible then adults. There is, however, considerable evidence that children will aggressively resist agreeing with false suggestions that an unpleasant/painful event has occured to them when it has not.

Meanwhile, your theory about "town hysteria" seems not only speculative and groundless, but it appears to contradict the established facts of this case.

[Jeff]

From a link on the same BBC page: Neo-Nazi had child abuse images
(Though I don’t really see the connection to the Mineola Swingers.)

Then there's Kevin Strom, the American Neo-Nazi pedophile:

Neo-Nazi Child Porn Enthusiast Denies All

Intelligence Report
Summer 2008

Kevin Strom, the longtime neo-Nazi leader, had a surprising revelation for the judge who was about to sentence him to almost two years in prison on federal child pornography charges: He was not, in fact, a child pornographer.

Never mind that Strom had pleaded guilty in January to federal child pornography charges, or that police said they'd found images of child porn on his computer, along with hundreds of photos of naked girls "in sexually suggestive positions."

At his April 21 sentencing, Strom, 51, insisted that he had no taste for pornography. "I am not a pedophile," he said. "I am the furthest thing from a pervert."

Not only that, but Strom was indignant that anyone would call him a neo-Nazi. "I deeply resent the way I've been characterized in the press," he huffed after entering his guilty plea in January. "I'm no more a white supremacist than the Dalai Lama is a Tibetan supremacist."

The Dalai Lama comparison may be stretching it. For nearly two decades, the bespectacled, nattily dressed neo-Nazi served as right hand man to William Pierce, whose book The Turner Diaries became a blueprint for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. After Pierce died unexpectedly in 2002, Strom was passed over for leadership of Pierce's neo-Nazi organization, the National Alliance. Strom eventually broke away to form the now defunct National Vanguard in 2005.

Strom's public woes began on Jan. 4, 2007, when federal agents arrested him near his home in Stanardsville, Va. He was charged with possessing and receiving child pornography, enticing a minor to perform sex acts and intimidating a witness. U.S. District Judge Norman Moon dismissed the latter two charges at Strom's first trial in October. He ruled that while Strom had followed and anonymously sent many gifts to a 10-year-old girl, he had not actually tried to have sex with her. The judge did note that there was "overwhelming evidence he was sexually drawn to this child." He also found that Strom's numerous legal complaints against his wife did not amount to intimidation.

...

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrep ... sp?aid=920

[nathan28]

Children's confessions can be very problematic, to me it's an open questions for whose needs they were performing and in what way.

Children's disclosures of abuse are "confessions"? Interesting Freudian slip.

"[F]or whose needs they were performing" part is the part that gets me.

[8bitagent]

Wow, that's some pretty damning evidence there Lurquacious.

I think some people just don't want to believe that organized rape on children occurs in middle America.

I wish Finders, Franklin Coverup, etc was all just "hysteria" too.

[Stephen Morgan]

Not only that, but Strom was indignant that anyone would call him a neo-Nazi. "I deeply resent the way I've been characterized in the press," he huffed after entering his guilty plea in January. "I'm no more a white supremacist than the Dalai Lama is a Tibetan supremacist."

Given the Lama's SS friends, this is a good comparison, although not as intended.

[lunarose]

any indications that any of the victims are suffering from D.I.D.?

[LilyPatToo]

lunarose asked:

any indications that any of the victims are suffering from D.I.D.?

I came here to ask that very question this AM and found you'd beaten me to it, lunarose. But I fear that it may be years before the clear signs of that disorder will surface in those poor kids

The Good News about this sad, disturbing thread? A few more FMSF sympathizers have decloaked...it's always good to know who the hell you're talking to in a forum

LilyPat

[professorpan]

I think it's okay to have a skeptical approach to stories like these, but the facts -- as reported -- seem to point to the factual basis for these crimes. And they are horrific crimes if true.

Skepticism should not be reflexively equated with denial.

[professorpan]

I came here to ask that very question this AM and found you'd beaten me to it, lunarose. But I fear that it may be years before the clear signs of that disorder will surface in those poor kids

Or it may never surface. Abuse does not necessarily result in DID. And at least one of the articles I read suggests one of the abused kids is coping very well.

[biaothanatoi]

Pan suggests that it's:

"okay to have a skeptical approach to stories like these"

Let's try and unpack that for a moment.

I presume that stories "like these" are cases in which multiple children are sexually exploited by adults. Is that right, Pan?

And I presume that his suggestion that we should take a "skeptical approach" to these cases is indicative of his belief that allegations of sexual exploitation are more likely to be false then other criminal allegations.

And I'm left wondering about the logic of such a belief.

Is Pan suggesting that cases in which multiple children disclose the same experience of abuse, by the same people - something that the criminal justice system calls "corroboration" - are cases that are somehow less likely to be substantiated and/or more likely to be the result of false allegations?

i.e. the more children that come forward disclosing abuse by a group, the less likely it is that the sexual abuse occurred?

Is that your position, Pan?