One atomic particle of total species-wide insanity

[Wilbur Whatley]

I'm mega-creeped-out and horrified by this event.

It strongly reminds me of Malachi Martin's great book Hostage to the Devil.

I'm an orthodox Roman Catholic, and so is Martin. That is the greatest book ever written on demon possession.

I have little doubt that that is what we are dealing with here.

We should all sing praise every day that there are not that many devils, and not that many people vulnerable to possession, so that our own individual chance of being such a victim is very small.

Don't give me crap about meds. That doesn't do THAT.

oh dear, I don't want to threadjack but I've got to ask you... Why does God let his demons play around like this then? don't blame the demons who are only acting out their nature, blame the all powerful being who created them and lets them run wild.

Still, perhaps some sort of supernatural being did take control, I suppose it's possible.

This is an irrational, although understandable, objection. It is the mystery of "theodicy"--of evil. Evil happens, it is observed. God controls everything, it is assumed. Therefore, God is evil.

But most theologies reject that reasoning. In order to give moral weight to life, God grants free will. Therefore, God does not cause the evil that occurs, but permits it.

By the by, it is a great horror and shame to die early and suffer greatly, but these are not the greatest evils.

My own theory, for what it's worth, is that God and his allies are forever doing their best to advance life and goodness, but sometimes the evildoers accomplish great prison breaks.

Yes, yes, if God is omnipotent and omniscient he could prevent that. But maybe a few prison breaks are good for creation.

[justdrew]

But maybe a few prison breaks are good for creation.

ya? I'm fixen to make one myself someday.

anyway, I think the standard argument to free will you make would apply just fine to other humans, but these demons you speak of get 'superpowers' and are apparently virtually immortal. If what they are is alive, it's not any class of life I'm aware of. This would have been a violation of the posses'eds free will would it not? This is just not fair. Even if it does make the show more 'interesting' and spicy for the Top Dog. These demons would not be alive really would they? do they breed? I think not, for they're all meant to be fallen angels right? Angels have never been said to have baby angels as far as I know.

[8bitagent]

I'm mega-creeped-out and horrified by this event.

It strongly reminds me of Malachi Martin's great book Hostage to the Devil.

I'm an orthodox Roman Catholic, and so is Martin. That is the greatest book ever written on demon possession.

I have little doubt that that is what we are dealing with here.

We should all sing praise every day that there are not that many devils, and not that many people vulnerable to possession, so that our own individual chance of being such a victim is very small.

Don't give me crap about meds. That doesn't do THAT.

Perhaps Martin's book could explain why so many of the world's leaders over the millennia have pushed so hard to enact the most destructive of agendas?

I've often theorized that David Icke's "Reptillians" controlling the world leaders and NWO aren't actual "reptillians" but something far more spiritual and dark.

I believe what you describe is rampant in Africa, where young men in the Congo, Kenya, go around beheading children and cannibalizing people as part of government linked death squads...the kicker, is that almost all these death squads are part of occult orders.

In 1997, the teen school shooting incident that kicked off the whole late 90's American school shooting phenomenon was in Pearl Missisippi where
the shooters close friends and even the authorities discovered he was part of a "Satanic" cult that was chanelling some pretty nasty entities directing the kid to kill.

The man who did this unthinkable act may genuinely have no recollection...perhaps the bus passed through some sort of Fortean geo-specific anomaly. Perhaps at the same time he was compelled to do this act of pure evil, other anomalous events were occuring at the same time. My own view is that the events of 9/11 were a heavily demonic
ignited and influenced event.

As far as SSRI, I'm sure they do some good for some people...but I've known too many people where they became too zombied out...too "out of it", and it was through dealing with issues and having someone to talk to that they were able to deal with life without SSRI.

A LOT of the rashes/flaps of office/school/public shootings in America involve the person being on, not off their SSRI meds.

Finally, I find it odd many people commenting on this story on internet forums see this as just your average "crazy person acting out" act.
A man beheading a person on a bus in such a fashion, and proudly displaying the head to the front of the bus is NOTHING short of fantastically surreal.

[Jeff]

Hadn't seen this mentioned yet. This is the only source for it I see (from Thailand):

Beheading on bus shocks Canada, cannibalism feared
August 1st, 2008

...

Police negotiated with the killer - who reportedly cut the victim’s body into many pieces and cannibalized it - to surrender. He was overpowered six hours later when he jumped out of the vehicle ad tried to escape in the dead of the night.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/unc ... 78477.html

And I hate seeing this bullshit from our "Public Safety" Minister: "Certainly the horrific nature of it is probably one-of-a-kind in Canadian history." Well, this story is almost certainly the only one of its kind, anywhere. But Canada must have at least as many human monsters per capita as the worst of anywhere else. The victim was traveling from Edmonton, where dozens of women, mostly native, have been murdered by serial killers. If there were an Olympics for calculating maniacs, Paul and Karla, Robert Picton and Clifford Olson would be gold medalists.

[8bitagent]

My own theory, for what it's worth, is that God and his allies are forever doing their best to advance life and goodness, but sometimes the evildoers accomplish great prison breaks.

Yes, yes, if God is omnipotent and omniscient he could prevent that. But maybe a few prison breaks are good for creation.

That's like Newt Gingrich when he says "Bush should have allowed a few 9/11 attacks to happen" to remind the public what theyre up against"

I believe there's truth to the Bible, ancient Sumerian texts, even possibly gnostic scriptures. Perhaps people were more in touch with the non earthly.

The age old question of "God can't stop everything" and "free will" is certainly a dicey one. While I fashion myself a fan of intelligent design, I just can't bring myself to the viewpoints of modern Westernized Christianity or any sort of religion that says "Don't question God's will".
I know Christians who even say "The Devil" is doing God's work...to me that's like FBI using the KKK to attack civil rights protestors.

I'm mega-creeped-out and horrified by this event.

It strongly reminds me of Malachi Martin's great book Hostage to the Devil.

I'm an orthodox Roman Catholic, and so is Martin. That is the greatest book ever written on demon possession.

I have little doubt that that is what we are dealing with here.

We should all sing praise every day that there are not that many devils, and not that many people vulnerable to possession, so that our own individual chance of being such a victim is very small.

Don't give me crap about meds. That doesn't do THAT.

oh dear, I don't want to threadjack but I've got to ask you... Why does God let his demons play around like this then? don't blame the demons who are only acting out their nature, blame the all powerful being who created them and lets them run wild.

Still, perhaps some sort of supernatural being did take control, I suppose it's possible.

Or...it was something like PCP. I've seen research on numerous incidents
worldwide involving Ice, PCP, ect where THE most what-the-fuck unthinkable acts of pure depravity occured. I won't even mention them.

As much as I believe a non human entity pantheon is playing global psyops on people, I also see how fragile the human mind of already disturbed people can be too such powerful drugs such as Ice and PCP.

Also, I believe Job has a case against God in a court of law...if God or Job even existed:) I'm not a fan of any supreme being/beings that spreads misery and destruction. God, Devil, Gaia, ect.

Hadn't seen this mentioned yet. This is the only source for it I see (from Thailand):

Beheading on bus shocks Canada, cannibalism feared
August 1st, 2008

...

Police negotiated with the killer - who reportedly cut the victim’s body into many pieces and cannibalized it - to surrender. He was overpowered six hours later when he jumped out of the vehicle ad tried to escape in the dead of the night.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/unc ... 78477.html

And I hate seeing this bullshit from our "Public Safety" Minister: "Certainly the horrific nature of it is probably one-of-a-kind in Canadian history." Well, this story is almost certainly the only one of its kind, anywhere. But Canada must have at least as many human monsters per capita as the worst of anywhere else. The victim was traveling from Edmonton, where dozens of women, mostly native, have been murdered by serial killers. If there were an Olympics for calculating maniacs, Paul and Karla, Robert Picton and Clifford Olson would be gold medalists.

Geezus...this attack included cannibalism?

Btw Jeff, was there any update on the abducted "fit young men" and missing foot phenomenon in Canada?

These demons would not be alive really would they? do they breed? I think not, for they're all meant to be fallen angels right? Angels have never been said to have baby angels as far as I know.

Have you researched the UFO/alien/contactee/abductee/hybrid (alleged) phenomenon?

I would wager that if such fallen angel/post Noah flood detatched entities exist, the "grey" and alien phenomenon is somehow tied.

I think Hugh Manatee should realize that the sheer level of "psyops" he promotes is not exclusive to the Pentagon.

[barracuda]

Or...it was something like PCP. I've seen research on numerous incidents
worldwide involving Ice, PCP, ect where THE most what-the-fuck unthinkable acts of pure depravity occured. I won't even mention them.

I think you are on the right track here, but in my experience, PCP does not readily accomodate a nice ride on the bus, or the ability to enter into casual conversation with strangers while appearing normal. Rather, one may be found climbing telephone poles naked and then charging the gun weilding cops in a rage of mindless invulnerability. When I first read this I immediately thought this must be the denoument of an extended crank tweek, where extreme paranoia and the hallucinations caused by lack of sleep combine with the hair-trigger violence which is the nature of the amphetamine high, oftentimes masked by gregariousness and affability.

Possession of illegal substances, likely. Possession by demons, hardly.

[Brighid_Moon]

Also: Interesting comment about Scientology, considering the man who created the cult was schizophrenic and had a beef with shrinks. >.>

I've always thought the main reason that Scientology and Psychiatry were so at odds with each other because they have mutually contradictory stances about what causes mental problems. At least that seems like a likely reason.

I've thought a lot about Scientology, because it looms so large whenever anyone tries to dig deeper into the history of psychiatric drugs. I've actually found that they're right on the money when it comes to criticism of psychiatric practices. It's weird for me to think that all these celebrities like Tom Cruise are running around with intimate knowledge of MKULTRA and stuff like that.

I spent round-about a year studying about Scientology and it's history and effects. It's still an interest of mine due to so many nebulous connections and so many blatant unverifiable myths.

L Ron Hubbard had a history from his childhood of mental illness and being within the mental health system. He was diagnosed as schizophrenic. This followed him into his adulthood and his military service. He held a grudge against both the psychiatric institutes and the military as well as attempting to continue to live out his delusional desires to be in the Navy,even after he was discharged for endangering others. All of this and more (including his scamming of occultist Jack Parsons - which is a whole other esoteric can of worms) is what went into the creation of the Church [sic] of Scientology.

The fact that Scientology is against "Psychs" has more to do with Hubbard's experiences, delusions and biases than it does any education on the subject of psychology or it's nefarious (past and current) history (which is another of my interests).

[OP ED]

Or...it was something like PCP. I've seen research on numerous incidents
worldwide involving Ice, PCP, ect where THE most what-the-fuck unthinkable acts of pure depravity occured. I won't even mention them.

I think you are on the right track here, but in my experience, PCP does not readily accomodate a nice ride on the bus, or the ability to enter into casual conversation with strangers while appearing normal. Rather, one may be found climbing telephone poles naked and then charging the gun weilding cops in a rage of mindless invulnerability. When I first read this I immediately thought this must be the denoument of an extended crank tweek, where extreme paranoia and the hallucinations caused by lack of sleep combine with the hair-trigger violence which is the nature of the amphetamine high, oftentimes masked by gregariousness and affability.

Possession of illegal substances, likely. Possession by demons, hardly.

maybe the demons were on PCP?

[Brighid_Moon]

Hadn't seen this mentioned yet. This is the only source for it I see (from Thailand):

Beheading on bus shocks Canada, cannibalism feared
August 1st, 2008

...

Police negotiated with the killer - who reportedly cut the victim’s body into many pieces and cannibalized it - to surrender. He was overpowered six hours later when he jumped out of the vehicle ad tried to escape in the dead of the night.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/unc ... 78477.html

Is this the only report of cannibalism on it? Propaganda perhaps? Or maybe just the grape-vine effect?

[8bitagent]

All of this and more (including his scamming of occultist Jack Parsons - which is a whole other esoteric can of worms) is what went into the creation of the Church [sic] of Scientology.

Interesting article...I take it the successors of the OTO were none too thrilled
that Crowley had taken their rituals and rites and got rich off Scientology.
Funny, that the anti Scientology crowd never mentions Hubbard's occult origins.

[Jeff]

Is this the only report of cannibalism on it? Propaganda perhaps? Or maybe just the grape-vine effect?

I was thinking grapevine, since it seems that report might have extended the duration of the stand-off from three to six hours, but then I remembered the witness describe having seen the killer not only beheading the victim, but also "pretty much gutting him up." On a televised report he added that it looked like something one might do to an animal. This article might be extrapolating from that statement. On the other hand, if he's going that far, cannibalism might not be too far behind.

[annie aronburg]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada ... ?id=692752

Two other passengers on the bus, a 22-year-old man and 21-year-old woman from France, said they were heading to Winnipeg after visiting the woman's father in Whitehorse. The 22-year-old man said in French that he saw a man holding a long knife repeatedly stab another passenger. He and his girlfriend said they were shocked by the attack, and the isolation in the middle of the prairie when it occurred.

"There was nowhere to go," she said.

[OP ED]

All of this and more (including his scamming of occultist Jack Parsons - which is a whole other esoteric can of worms) is what went into the creation of the Church [sic] of Scientology.

Interesting article...I take it the successors of the OTO were none too thrilled
that Crowley had taken their rituals and rites and got rich off Scientology.
Funny, that the anti Scientology crowd never mentions Hubbard's occult origins.

off-topic:


While the article IS interesting, IMHO it relies too heavily upon Kennth Grant, who cannot be trusted to seperate actual history from his personal fantasies about what should have been. Sub Aqua Lex Terrarum.

(my first reading threw up several red flags that indictate, at least to me, that the author of the article is not overly familiar with the topics being discussed. always something to be fearful of in occult studies.)

just saying.

Love is Law,
SHCR

[Jeff]

From this report, the victim's apparently been unofficially identified as "Tim McLean." (A Facebook memorial here.)

Jodi Caron (Winnipeg, MB) wrote
at 11:52pm
tim we love you so much the kids will miss you so much and so will william and i. you where a great person, always happy and loved and had an amazing personality. forever in our hearts you will be.

[8bitagent]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=692752

Two other passengers on the bus, a 22-year-old man and 21-year-old woman from France, said they were heading to Winnipeg after visiting the woman's father in Whitehorse. The 22-year-old man said in French that he saw a man holding a long knife repeatedly stab another passenger. He and his girlfriend said they were shocked by the attack, and the isolation in the middle of the prairie when it occurred.

"There was nowhere to go," she said.

Man, that TRULY does sound like something out of a movie.

Middle of nowhere on the way to winnipeg, the most shocking and unthinkable of horrors occuring in the back of a bus where everyone is dazed out, ipoding it up or reading.