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Re: Define NWO.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:07 pm

dbcooper41 wrote:
May 1, 1776 – Adam Weishaupt (code named Spartacus) establishes a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati. Weishaupt is the Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria, part of Germany. The Illuminati seek to establish a New World Order. Their objectives are as follows:

1) Abolition of all ordered governments
2) Abolition of private property
3) Abolition of inheritance
4) Abolition of patriotism
5) Abolition of the family
6) Abolition of religion
7) Creation of a world government


looks like they're doing a pretty good job so far of reaching their goals.


(What are you quoting?)

Yeah, right.

1) National states, more of which are functional as efficient apparatuses of repression than ever before, have never before had a greater capability to express power by force in the lives of every last individual within their domain.

2) Everything's privatized, at least all the parts that make profits, while the parts that lose money are forced on to the public sector or allowed to wither and die; privately owned shareholder corporations are immortal super-persons, money is speech; almost all countries are forced to privatize everything in their natural patrimony down to the water and air; the UK privatized the world's oldest rail system and the US is on the way to privatizing the post office and the public schools.

3) Robber barons of 150 and even 300 years ago created private foundations, trusts, and other forms of family empire that, if they've been well-managed, today still allow whole clans of descendants to live luxuriously, and also often continue to have an enormous influence on politics and economy; a lot of European royalty have maintained something like that for even longer; the US inheritance tax has been branded a "death tax" and cut to a minimum.

4) Flagwaving bullshit, invocations of patriotic hooey and nationalist bellicosity are at an all-time high in a great many powers, significantly in the US compared to most periods in the postwar era; almost every major piece of entertainment for the masses here is also a nationalist and often avowedly militarist display; a number of previously multinational republics have been dissolved, some like Iraq by outside invasions, into mutually hostile ethnonationalist enclaves.

6) The world is supposed to care about some mean old man's resignation because he sits in a high chair at the Vatican, fundamentalists rule many US state legislatures and mandate religious insanity, Islam in fundamentalist form is bigger than ever, God told George Bush to invade Iraq and women to stay in the kitchen, and a couple of billion people seem to think the Big G is going to end the world shortly by divine fiat.

7) The many institutions of "world government" are almost exclusively devices for protecting the hegemony and projecting the power of the long-established imperialist nation-states of North America and Europe (plus a few Asian partners) and especially of the vast transnational corporations mostly originating in these nations. Many of the primary such institutions sit in Washington, New York, London, Paris, Brussels, Geneva and Vienna.

As for Number 6, it's true traditional forms of family have taken a beating - above all from capitalist economics - although the large feudal clans of the one percent still flourish. Otherwise non-traditional family forms have also arisen, which to some people (such as those with very patriarchal views of what should constitute "family") is considered a crisis, but isn't always so.

Countering arguments and evidence can be brought on all points, but are you kidding me? You really think the present world is the product of this (probably fictional or totally misinterpreted) 240-year-old plan?

Hey, depending on how a couple of these 7 objectives are defined (e.g., if "private ownership" means ownership of land, natural resources, and the means of production, or if "world government" means a lasting peace, general disarmament, democracy and social justice everywhere locally and nationally, and freedom of all to travel), then I think I'd be on board with about, oh, 5 and a half.

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Re: Define NWO.

Postby wintler2 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:12 pm

dbcooper41 wrote: NWO agenda:
1) Abolition of all ordered governments
2) Abolition of private property
3) Abolition of inheritance
4) Abolition of patriotism
5) Abolition of the family
6) Abolition of religion
7) Creation of a world government

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So who would be most targeted/frightened by this supposed agenda? Just invert it..
People who are
1. authority-loving
2. monied
3. intergenerationally priviledged
4. patriotic
5. patriarchal
6. religious.
Nice target market if selling scary stories, they can afford to pay, and they've already proved the depth of their ignorance.
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:42 pm

wintler2 wrote:So who would be most targeted/frightened by this supposed agenda? Just invert it..
People who are
1. authority-loving
2. monied
3. intergenerationally priviledged
4. patriotic
5. patriarchal
6. religious.
Nice target market if selling scary stories, they can afford to pay, and they've already proved the depth of their ignorance.


Now why'd you go and say what I did in 3% as many words?
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby barracuda » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:12 am

wintler2 wrote:
dbcooper41 wrote:7) Creation of a world government


...

Nice target market if selling scary stories, they can afford to pay, and they've already proved the depth of their ignorance.


Yes, very neatly done, wintler2. I'd say even the possibilities contained in number 7 constitute a threat to those bent on the exploitation of us all.
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby wintler2 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:14 am

JackRiddler wrote:..
Now why'd you go and say what I did in 3% as many words?

Poor vocabulary?
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:03 am

wintler2 wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:..
Now why'd you go and say what I did in 3% as many words?

Poor vocabulary?


Good answer.

Hey db, what do you say then?

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Re: Define NWO.

Postby dbcooper41 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:47 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
dbcooper41 wrote:
May 1, 1776 – Adam Weishaupt (code named Spartacus) establishes a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati. Weishaupt is the Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria, part of Germany. The Illuminati seek to establish a New World Order. Their objectives are as follows:

1) Abolition of all ordered governments
2) Abolition of private property
3) Abolition of inheritance
4) Abolition of patriotism
5) Abolition of the family
6) Abolition of religion
7) Creation of a world government


looks like they're doing a pretty good job so far of reaching their goals.


(What are you quoting?)




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sorry, i forgot this url.
http://www.michaeljournal.org/nwo1.htm
and please don't think i buy all this at face value, or at any value. to me the interesting thing is how consistently this legend has endured .
almost like someone made up a script years ago and it has been rigidly adhered to ever since.
interesting in itself (imho)

but what about the old "one world" trade center? :wink:
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:04 am

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Postby Lord Balto » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:41 am

anothershamus » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:04 am wrote:they want everything! check out the georgia guidestones. I don't really know if this is the good guys or the evil guys though, but the result is the same, get rid of the masses and live in the eden that is left.....

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm



Well, Alex Jaundice is against it, so there must be something important to it.

I should just point out, if it isn't obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, that it's just as likely the builders meant to decrease population through birth control and normal attrition rates. This all goes back to Malthus, who got his numbers wrong, but was dead on when it comes to understanding the concept of overpopulation. Virtually all of our "technological" problems do not result from "bad" technology. They result from the fact that there are too many people using it. There really is no excuse for a continuously increasing population other than the need to "grow the economy" in the service of corporate greed.
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby Lord Balto » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:07 am

I should also point out that the term was brought into modern usage by George H W Bush as a descriptor of the alliance that defeated Saddam Hussein in the 1st Gulf War. It was meant to describe a world in which groups of nations supposedly act in concert to liberate countries overrun by foreign invaders. Whether one thinks that this was their real intention or not, this was what the words were meant to convey. The term was almost immediately hijacked by a certain class of extreme conspiracy believers to describe a group of partially historical and partially fictional organizations variously called "Illuminati," "Zionists" or "Elders of Zion," "Globalists," "Communists," "Corporatists," "Satanists," "Malthusians," etc. The list is undefined and can include just about anyone that a particular individual disagrees with. The amount of value added to the discussion by the use of this term is roughly equivalent to that added to medical knowledge by inventing a Latin name for a group of relatively amorphous symptoms. One might even, humorously, describe folks like Alex Jones as victims of "New World Order Syndrome."

I would suggest that the cause of enlightenment is served by a scientific analysis of facts, and not some philosophical exercise in word exegesis. See Alfred Korzybski (Science and Sanity) for an elaboration of the serious problems caused by such exercises.
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Re: Re:

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:56 pm

Lord Balto » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:41 am wrote:This all goes back to Malthus, who got his numbers wrong, but was dead on when it comes to understanding the concept of overpopulation.


This is a very salient point, and one I only recently came around to. My primary introduction to Malthus was twofold: 1) being taught a For Dummies version of his work in school and then, 2) reading Robert Anton Wilson dismantling the work of Malthus.

Then I actually read some of his work and realized, as is often the case with RAW, I was witnessing the dismantling of a carefully calibrated strawman. I think Balto's summation above is both correct and important.

While I still believe that "overpopulation is a horseshit meme for rich people," that's more about how they frame it and promote it in the Think Tank class. Beneath that lies a serious problem with no serious solutions.
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Re: Re:

Postby kelley » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:20 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:56 pm wrote:[quote="

While I still believe that "overpopulation is a horseshit meme for rich people," that's more about how they frame it and promote it in the Think Tank class. Beneath that lies a serious problem with no serious solutions.



as per this example from today, it certainly seems the official thinking classes offer no serious solutions that will leave the pesky anthropocene logic of 'growth' aside:


www.nytimes.com/2013/09/14/opinion/over ... em.html?hp

Overpopulation Is Not the Problem
By ERLE C. ELLIS
Published: September 13, 2013

BALTIMORE — MANY scientists believe that by transforming the earth’s natural landscapes, we are undermining the very life support systems that sustain us. Like bacteria in a petri dish, our exploding numbers are reaching the limits of a finite planet, with dire consequences. Disaster looms as humans exceed the earth’s natural carrying capacity. Clearly, this could not be sustainable.

This is nonsense. Even today, I hear some of my scientific colleagues repeat these and similar claims — often unchallenged. And once, I too believed them. Yet these claims demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of the ecology of human systems. The conditions that sustain humanity are not natural and never have been. Since prehistory, human populations have used technologies and engineered ecosystems to sustain populations well beyond the capabilities of unaltered “natural” ecosystems.

The evidence from archaeology is clear. Our predecessors in the genus Homo used social hunting strategies and tools of stone and fire to extract more sustenance from landscapes than would otherwise be possible. And, of course, Homo sapiens went much further, learning over generations, once their preferred big game became rare or extinct, to make use of a far broader spectrum of species. They did this by extracting more nutrients from these species by cooking and grinding them, by propagating the most useful species and by burning woodlands to enhance hunting and foraging success.

Even before the last ice age had ended, thousands of years before agriculture, hunter-gatherer societies were well established across the earth and depended increasingly on sophisticated technological strategies to sustain growing populations in landscapes long ago transformed by their ancestors.

The planet’s carrying capacity for prehistoric human hunter-gatherers was probably no more than 100 million. But without their Paleolithic technologies and ways of life, the number would be far less — perhaps a few tens of millions. The rise of agriculture enabled even greater population growth requiring ever more intensive land-use practices to gain more sustenance from the same old land. At their peak, those agricultural systems might have sustained as many as three billion people in poverty on near-vegetarian diets.

The world population is now estimated at 7.2 billion. But with current industrial technologies, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations has estimated that the more than nine billion people expected by 2050 as the population nears its peak could be supported as long as necessary investments in infrastructure and conducive trade, anti-poverty and food security policies are in place. Who knows what will be possible with the technologies of the future? The important message from these rough numbers should be clear. There really is no such thing as a human carrying capacity. We are nothing at all like bacteria in a petri dish.

Why is it that highly trained natural scientists don’t understand this? My experience is likely to be illustrative. Trained as a biologist, I learned the classic mathematics of population growth — that populations must have their limits and must ultimately reach a balance with their environments. Not to think so would be to misunderstand physics: there is only one earth, of course!

It was only after years of research into the ecology of agriculture in China that I reached the point where my observations forced me to see beyond my biologists’s blinders. Unable to explain how populations grew for millenniums while increasing the productivity of the same land, I discovered the agricultural economist Ester Boserup, the antidote to the demographer and economist Thomas Malthus and his theory that population growth tends to outrun the food supply. Her theories of population growth as a driver of land productivity explained the data I was gathering in ways that Malthus could never do. While remaining an ecologist, I became a fellow traveler with those who directly study long-term human-environment relationships — archaeologists, geographers, environmental historians and agricultural economists.

The science of human sustenance is inherently a social science. Neither physics nor chemistry nor even biology is adequate to understand how it has been possible for one species to reshape both its own future and the destiny of an entire planet. This is the science of the Anthropocene. The idea that humans must live within the natural environmental limits of our planet denies the realities of our entire history, and most likely the future. Humans are niche creators. We transform ecosystems to sustain ourselves. This is what we do and have always done. Our planet’s human-carrying capacity emerges from the capabilities of our social systems and our technologies more than from any environmental limits.

Two hundred thousand years ago we started down this path. The planet will never be the same. It is time for all of us to wake up to the limits we really face: the social and technological systems that sustain us need improvement.

There is no environmental reason for people to go hungry now or in the future. There is no need to use any more land to sustain humanity — increasing land productivity using existing technologies can boost global supplies and even leave more land for nature — a goal that is both more popular and more possible than ever.

The only limits to creating a planet that future generations will be proud of are our imaginations and our social systems. In moving toward a better Anthropocene, the environment will be what we make it.

Erle C. Ellis is an associate professor of geography and environmental systems at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and a visiting associate professor at Harvard’s Graduate School of Design.
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby Ben D » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:36 pm

JackRiddler » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:55 pm wrote:Who are they? Who makes the plan? What institutions do they control, how do they effect their will from day to day? If you believe it, how did they do 9/11? What do they want?

Forgive me if this post seems condescending, but I verbalized more for my own clarity of background. Very roughly and simply, looking back in evolutionary time with the mind's eye, i see tribal chiefs emerging to head the first human family clans. Later came the city state kings to rule all the families who constituted the city's residents Later again, a nation king emerged to rule all the cities, towns, etc., in the territory able to be controlled by the King. Later again came the imperial Kings who emerged to rule over the nations and territory under its jurisdiction.

So what must emerge now that this planet, constituted politically of a combination of imperial, nation, city and island states, etc., has global human related infrastructure, is a world head of government. The League of Nations was, and the United Nations is, a temporary manifestation associated with this emergence of a world order, but the process itself will continue until there is in place just one authority that has unrivalled planetary jurisdiction.

Naturally there are great power plays at work being made by the main contenders to be the planetary ruler, and some dark horses lurking, for there is no way imho that this position can be filled by some consensual process, and there will probably be a horrific war along the way, but one world rule must emerge sooner or later.
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:19 pm

Lord Balto » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:07 am wrote:The amount of value added to the discussion by the use of this term is roughly equivalent to that added to medical knowledge by inventing a Latin name for a group of relatively amorphous symptoms. One might even, humorously, describe folks like Alex Jones as victims of "New World Order Syndrome."


Oh, excellent. Quotable. I'll add Alfred Korzybski to the Eventual Reading List.

You've reminded of a piece I wrote more than 10 years ago, still online at http://911truth.org/osamas/history.html with a number of other articles fitting the theme of "September 11th: On This Date In History (OR: THE DEVIL'S CALENDAR)"


Sept. 11, 1990
"President George H.W. Bush delivers 'New World Order' Speech to Congress."


Iraq occupied Kuwait on Aug. 2, 1990. At that point, the U.S. government had armed and assisted the Iraqi tyrant for more than a decade, pitting him against the despised Shiite theocracy in Iran. The Iraqi invasion came as the climax of an enormously complicated history of secret deals and double-crosses, which bears reviewing because of its relevance to events today.

In 1978, an Islamic fundamentalist revolution overthrew the Shah of Iran. He had been the country's dictator since 1953, when the CIA and the British had helped him overthrow the parliamentary government of Mossadegh, who had committed the crime of nationalizing the country's oil assets.

In November 1979, Iranian students seized the personnel of the U.S. embassy as hostages, creating a terminal crisis for the Carter administration.

Carter's domestic situation was further exacerbated by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan of Dec. 1979, although this was the intended effect of a U.S. covert destabilization of Afghanistan, as admitted since by Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski. The idea was to get the Soviets into their own "Vietnam," and it worked.

In the next decade, the U.S. would covertly funnel four to six billion dollars (matched dollar for dollar by the Saudis) into the Afghanistan jihad, organizing the effort under the Zia heroin-money dictatorship in Pakistan and assembling an "International" force of Islamist mercenaries loyal to warlords and sponsors like Osama Binladin: the "Afghan Arabs."

In Sept. 1980, Saddam invaded Iran in an attempt to grab oil-rich territories - after receiving a green light from the U.S. government, which thus thought to extract revenge and put pressure on Iran. At the same time, the Reagan presidential campaign under William Casey was engaged in the illegal "October Surprise" negotiations with Iran, promising to supply arms if the Iranians held the hostages until Carter had lost the Nov. 1980 election.

The Iranians released the hostages a few minutes after Reagan's inauguration, and the covert U.S. arms shipments to Iran began in early 1981, via Israeli arms dealers. Casey became the chief of a CIA that ran the ongoing war in Afghanistan, training the likes of Osama Binladin, and started a series of genocidal conflicts in Central America.

In other words, from the beginning the key players inside American politics acted in away that encouraged the mass slaughter between Iran and Iraq, by giving clandestine support to both sides. The Iran-Iraq war continued for eight years, during which the arms dealers of the West celebrated it as an opportunity to sell to both sides.

The U.S. arms shipments to Iran became a scandal with the "Iran-Contra" revelations of 1986, but the most significant U.S. support went to Iraq. The Atlanta branch of the CIA-connected Italian Bank Lavoro financed Saddam's arms purchases with billions in loans guaranteed by the U.S. Agriculture Department. American defense contractors built Iraq's supergun, and even its weaponized anthrax originated with a U.S. company in a government-approved deal.

Early in the war, Saddam discovered that it was not so easy to take territory from a country with three times the population of Iraq. By the mid-1980s the Iranians were inching towards Baghdad, and the long-suffering peoples of Iraq grew restless. Luckily for Saddam, the CIA fed him the satellite surveillance data that he needed to survive the various Iranian "final offensives" of 1985 to 1987.

Reports in 1987 that Iraq had used poison gas to kill 5,000 civilians in the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabjah passed with little more than a burp of protest from the United States - although they have since been taken up as Exhibit A in the list of Saddam's crimes. This is almost certainly a myth. The Iraqi victims of Halabjah died during a battle in which Iranian and Iraqi forces both used poison gas against each other.

Regardless, Bush and Saddam were allies throughout the 1980s, at a time when Iraqi forces commited horrific crimes. Saddam's ultimate victory in the war he began consisted in staying in power and battling the numerically superior Iranians to a final stalemate in 1988.

And what had he gained? All he held, in the end, were untold billions in debt, the lion's share due to the two countries who financed and benefited most from Iran's containment: Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Following the war, these same two rich ingrates raised oil production, against the wishes of Iraq and other OPEC hardliners, causing prices to fall and putting the squeeze on Saddam's ability to pay them off.

But Saddam still had his arms, if not the cash, and decided this was a good moment to rediscover the injustices of colonial history: In the 1920s the British, the better to control their Empire in the Near East, had peeled an oil-rich coastal section of Iraq away and bestowed it upon a local feudal clan, known today as the royal family of Kuwait. As long as Saddam was fighting Iran, and Kuwait was willing to give him money, this had not mattered. But now his speechwriters recalled that Kuwait is the "17th province" of Iraq. Further, Kuwait was drilling diagonally into oil fields under Iraqi territory, and disputing Iraq's claim to two unoccupied coastal islands.

Saddam saw a chance to cut his debt and solve many other issues to his favor, maybe even grab the whole of Kuwait. He massed his forces to the south and began issuing ultimatums to the Kuwaitis. Most readers are probably aware that as the crisis peaked, on July 30, 1990, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, visited Saddam and delivered a non-committal statement of neutrality in this conflict among Arab neighbors. To Saddam (and to anyone who has read the transcript of his talk with Glaspie, released years later), it sounded just like the green light for an invasion of Kuwait.

When the invasion came, President Bush had a revelation. At last, he saw the insanity of covert entanglements with military dictatorships, fundamentalists and feudal monarchies.
He saw the folly of a whole economy based on the territorial resource of oil, and he was appalled at the great cost of America's attempt to control that resource at the source by maintaining a military hegemony on the other side of the world. Above all, he understood that government by secrecy had led to nothing but disaster.
In a daring Sept. 11 speech to the Congress, he set the nation on a bold new course. He revealed the full details of the above history and promised there would be no more secret deals and subversions of democracy. The United States would cease to arm its future enemies. It would redirect the untold billions until then devoted to subsidizing the profits of American oil companies to measures of energy conservation and to the development of alternative energies and sustainable settlements. This would serve ultimately to end dependence on oil from the Middle East, and usher in a new age of peaceful coexistence with the world.


Ha ha ha! But seriously, folks...

After Saddam took the bait and invaded Kuwait, the United States began deploying half a million troops to Saudi Arabia, starting on Aug. 7. That date became the obsession of a Saudi hero of the Afghanistan jihad, Osama Binladin, who objected to the presence of U.S. troops, and who insisted that Saudi Arabia could organize its own defense.

This was actually true, for several reasons. For one thing, Saddam was never going to invade Saudi Arabia in the first place, as was clear already at the time. The alleged Iraqi threat to Saudi Arabia was little more than a pretext to deploy the American troops, and based on U.S. intelligence reports that a St. Petersburg, Florida newspaper was able to show were false by purchasing Soviet satellite photos of the actual situation on the Saudi-Iraqi border. These showed that Iraqi forces were not deployed for an attack on the Arabian peninsula.

Second, Saudi Arabia was extremely well-armed, having bought an estimated $200 billion in military technology from the United States during the 1980s. Much of this went into the construction of a network of sophisticated military harbors and "superbases," with secure underground tunnels and bunkers criss-crossing the landscape. (One day "we" may get to bomb these, just like with the ones we built in Afghanistan.) These bases, built by local contractors like the Saudibinladin Group, met the exacting technical specifications of the U.S. military - so that as the American troops arrived, they found themselves well-provided with a familiar and extensive infrastructure already in place.

It was as though someone had been preparing for ten years to accommodate a large American force in Saudi Arabia. Which they had! Plans for a massive U.S. ground deployment in the Middle East dated back to a Kissinger plan following the OPEC oil embargo of 1973 and to Carter's later establishment of the Rapid Deployment Force for this purpose and declaration of what became known as the "Carter Doctrine" (that the U.S. would be willing to intervene militarily to secure the continuing global oil supply from the Persian Gulf region).

So nicely set up, the war to expel the Iraqi force from Kuwait still needed its political justifications. Bush martialed a coalition of 28 allies and got the Japanese, Germans, Saudis and Gulf States to pony up tens of billions for the liberation of Kuwait. (The war was the first ever to make a direct profit for the Pentagon.) At home, he was confronted with a moderate level of protests and nearly half the Senate against him. With the deployments underway, Bush therefore spoke to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 11, 1990, delivering a speech entitled: "Towards a New World Order."

Here is the passage where he uses the miscreant phrase:

We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor. Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak.

A new era was indeed a-dawning, above all because the Soviet Union was in a state of advanced collapse. Brzezinski's Afghanistan gambit had succeeded as one of many factors in the Soviet decline. (It had also spread the CIA-trained network of "Afghan Arab" veterans around the world.) Bankrupt and plagued by nationalist uprisings, the Soviet empire was opening up to Western capital, as China had done since the late 1970s. The Western power elite understood that great changes were coming in the world order. The old system was entering a new phase, which has been called globalist, and which involves a greater role for openly "internationalist" institutions.

But nobody needed Bush to tell them that!

Many people think Bush's speech was the declaration of a one-world government. They seize on the phrase, "new world order," as though it signifies a specific, organized power, the N.W.O. - something apart from "America," something that may one day subject the U.S. government and its people to the strictures of the United Nations, NATO, the IMF, or some other globalist structure.

To me, this idea is hash. Bush was always the player and front-man of the Old World Order, the same American-centered power elite that governed most of the planet long before the Berlin Wall fell.

Bush needed a war. For many reasons, in part because we live in a system that requires the periodic real war as a condition of its reproduction - but mainly to preclude the possibility that the decline of the Soviets would be accompanied by a call to withdraw American military hegemony over the world. The true enemy was the potential for a "Peace Dividend," now that the Cold War was ending.

This was why Saddam was so convenient. A cornered animal, he joined the ranks of renegade tyrants when he swallowed Bush's bait, and tried to take his cut of the international gangsters' pie by force.

In reality, the function of the "New World Order" speech is depressingly ordinary. Bush does not want to "supplant" anything. He intends to prove the rule of the jungle, in which the strong subjugate the weak, by showing that the strongest can subjugate anyone they please. Since this is not the sort of justification for war that flies with the voting public, Bush says the opposite of what he means. When politicians go to war, they always rediscover the lofty Western ideals that they otherwise never mention. Their speechwriters reach into the Churchillian bag and pull out assurances about how war brings peace, justice and order to the world. This allows them to go blow up and starve a few hundred thousand Iraqis, during the war and in the 10 years since killing a larger number of civilians than the population of Kuwait itself, so as to keep restore a medieval regime with a clear conscience.

In the process, the United States itself suffers on the order of 100,000 casualties. Or didn't you realize? "Casualties" includes the wounded as well as the several hundred American soldiers killed during the deployment and hostilities (mostly of them in friendly fire incidents or accidents). What do you call a victim of the no doubt multi-causal ailment known as "Gulf War Syndrome"?

Although I can believe that the Bush mob (or their friends and underlings) are involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, I doubt the timing was meant to secretly honor Bush the Father's words. Brigands plunder when the time is ripe for plunder; they do not ask a calendar for permission.
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Re: Define NWO.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:48 pm

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This particular page seems to cover several RI-related themes/memes in tandem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_ ... acy_theory)



History of the term

During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II. They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic proposals for global governance in the sense of new collective efforts to address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve, while always respecting the right of nations to self-determination. These proposals led to the creation of international organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, and international regimes, such as the Bretton Woods system and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which were calculated both to maintain a balance of power in favor of the United States as well as regularize cooperation between nations, in order to achieve a peaceful phase of capitalism. These creations in particular and liberal internationalism in general, however, would always be criticized and opposed by American ultraconservative business nationalists from the 1930s on.[9]
Progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes in the aftermath of the two World Wars, but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. The United Nations was designed in 1945 by U.S. bankers and State Department planners, and was always intended to remain a free association of sovereign nation-states, not a transition to democratic world government. Thus, activists around the globe formed a world federalist movement hoping in vain to create a "real" new world order.[10]
British writer and futurist H. G. Wells would go further than progressives in the 1940s by appropriating and redefining the term "new world order" as a synonym for the establishment of a technocratic world state and planned economy.[11] Despite the popularity of his ideas in some state socialist circles, Wells failed to exert a deeper and more lasting influence because he was unable to concentrate his energies on a direct appeal to intelligentsias who would, ultimately, have to coordinate a Wellsian new world order.[12]
During the Red Scare of 1947–1957, agitators of the American secular and Christian right, influenced by the work of Canadian conspiracy theorist William Guy Carr, increasingly embraced and spread unfounded fears of Freemasons, Illuminati, and Jews being the driving force behind an "international communist conspiracy". The threat of "Godless communism" in the form of a state atheistic and bureaucratic collectivist world government, demonized as a "Red Menace", therefore became the main focus of apocalyptic millenarian conspiracism. The Red Scare would shape one of the core ideas of the political right in the United States which is that liberals and progressives with their welfare-state policies and international cooperation programs such as foreign aid supposedly contribute to a gradual process of collectivism that will inevitably lead to nations being replaced with a communist one-world government.[13]
Right-wing populist advocacy groups with a producerist worldview, such as the John Birch Society, disseminated a multitude of conspiracy theories in the 1960s claiming that the governments of both the United States and the Soviet Union were controlled by a cabal of corporate internationalists, greedy bankers and corrupt politicians intent on using the United Nations as the vehicle to create the "One World Government". This right-wing anti-globalist conspiracism would fuel the Bircher campaign for U.S. withdrawal from the U.N.. American writer Mary M. Davison, in her 1966 booklet The Profound Revolution, traced the alleged New World Order conspiracy to the creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve System in 1913 by international bankers, who she claimed later formed the Council on Foreign Relations in 1921 as the shadow government. At the time the booklet was published, "international bankers" would have been interpreted by many readers as a reference to a postulated "international Jewish banking conspiracy" masterminded by the Rothschilds.[13]
Claiming that the term "New World Order" is used by a secretive elite dedicated to the destruction of all national sovereignties, American writer Gary Allen, in his 1971 book None Dare Call It Conspiracy, 1974 book Rockefeller: Campaigning for the New World Order and 1987 book Say "No!" to the New World Order, articulated the anti-globalist theme of much current right-wing populist conspiracism in the U.S.. Thus, after the fall of communism in the early 1990s, the main demonized scapegoat of the American far right shifted seamlessly from crypto-communists who plotted on behalf of the Red Menace to globalists who plot on behalf of the New World Order. The relatively painless nature of the shift was due to growing right-wing populist opposition to corporate internationalism but also in part to the basic underlying apocalyptic millenarian paradigm, which fed the Cold War and the witch-hunts of the McCarthy period.[13]
In his 11 September 1990 Toward a New World Order speech to a joint session of the U.S. Congress, President George H. W. Bush described his objectives for post-Cold-War global governance in cooperation with post-Soviet states:
Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided—a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war. Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.


The New York Times observed that progressives were denouncing this new world order as a rationalization for American imperial ambitions in the Middle East, while conservatives rejected new security arrangements altogether and fulminated about any possibility of U.N. revival.[14] However, Chip Berlet, an American investigative reporter specializing in the study of right-wing movements in the U.S., writes:
When President Bush announced his new foreign policy would help build a New World Order, his phrasing surged through the Christian and secular hard right like an electric shock, since the phrase had been used to represent the dreaded collectivist One World Government for decades. Some Christians saw Bush as signaling the End Times betrayal by a world leader. Secular anticommunists saw a bold attempt to smash US sovereignty and impose a tyrannical collectivist system run by the United Nations.
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American televangelist Pat Robertson with his 1991 best-selling book The New World Order became the most prominent Christian popularizer of conspiracy theories about recent American history as a theater in which Wall Street, the Federal Reserve System, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and Trilateral Commission control the flow of events from behind the scenes, nudging us constantly and covertly in the direction of world government for the Antichrist.[6]
Observers note that the galvanization of right-wing populist conspiracy theorists, such as Linda Thompson, Mark Koernke and Robert K. Spear, into militancy led to the rise of the militia movement, which spread its anti-government ideology through speeches at rallies and meetings, through books and videotapes sold at gun shows, through shortwave and satellite radio, and through fax networks and computer bulletin boards.[13] However, overnight AM radio shows and viral propaganda on the Internet is what most effectively contributed to their extremist political ideas about the New World Order finding their way into the previously apolitical literature of many Kennedy assassinologists, ufologists, lost land theorists, and, most recently, occultists. The worldwide appeal of these subcultures then transmitted New World Order conspiracism like a "mind virus" to a large new audience of seekers of stigmatized knowledge from the mid-1990s on.[6] Hollywood conspiracy-thriller television shows and films also played a role in introducing a vast popular audience to various fringe theories related to New World Order conspiracism (black helicopter, FEMA “concentration camps”, etc.), which were previously confined to radical right-wing subcultures for decades. The 1993-2002 television series X-Files, the 1997 film Conspiracy Theory and the 1998 film The X-Files: Fight the Future are often cited as notable examples.[6]

Following the start of the 21st century, specifically during the late-2000s financial crisis, many politicians and pundits, such as Gordon Brown[15] and Henry Kissinger,[16] used the term "new world order" in their advocacy for a comprehensive reform of the global financial system and their calls for a "New Bretton Woods", which takes into account emerging markets such as China and India. These declarations had the unintended consequence of providing fresh fodder for New World Order conspiracism, and culminated in talk show host Sean Hannity stating on his Fox News Channel program Hannity that "conspiracy theorists were right".[17] Fox News in general, and its opinion show Glenn Beck in particular, have been repeatedly criticized by progressive media watchdog groups for not only mainstreaming the New World Order conspiracy theories of the radical right but possibly agitating its lone wolves into action.[18][19][20][21]
American film directors Luke Meyer and Andrew Neel released New World Order in 2009, a critically acclaimed documentary film which explores the world of conspiracy theorists, such as American radio host Alex Jones, who are committed to exposing and vigorously opposing what they perceive to be an emerging New World Order.[22] The growing dissemination and popularity of conspiracy theories has created an alliance between right-wing populist agitators, such as Alex Jones, and hip hop music’s left-wing populist rappers, such as KRS-One, Professor Griff of Public Enemy, and Immortal Technique, which illustrates how anti-elitist conspiracism creates unlikely political allies in efforts to oppose the political system.[23]
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