chemtrail patterns maybe huge orgone energy patches

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I'm embarrassed to see this thread at RI.

There isn't a shovel big enough. STOP FEEDING.

[Trifecta]

every dog has his day, yours was about 1000 KWH ago.

These are real experiences outside of your meta construct, get over it Hugh.

And while I am at it. Have you ever considered that good keywords, metadata, taxonomies, ontologies and semantic data are used to convince the intrepid researcher that the force they are uncovering is so vast that everything is controlled, simply because to believe that, stops the activist or interested from breaking out of the construct.

use the mirror luke.

Tilt

[nathan28]

an underground race of superhuman angel-like creatures and their mysterious energy force, Vril, an "all-permeating fluid" of limitless power

Quisp, Vril comes from an old novel "The Coming Race". In the '70s IIRC it got grafted onto the Nazi-UFOs stories because it came out of the same mileau as the Nazis.

Vril is supposed to be like chi/prana--those of us trained in the W.O.O. tend to refer to them interchangeably--the implication being the Nazis were doing Indiana-Jones-style stuff like fueling their UFOs with bio-psycho-energy. On that, see the word "novel" in my first paragraph.

[waugs]

Then why do you keep reading and posting in it?

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for you for some of complete BS you feed yourself and shovel into this forum.

You'd make a damn good Christian. Try taking off your blinders for once.

I'm embarrassed to see this thread at RI.

There isn't a shovel big enough. STOP FEEDING.

[orz]

"Dumb & Dumber" how's that for Keyword Hijacking?

[nathan28]

"Dumb & Dumber" how's that for Keyword Hijacking?

I wasn't going to spend much more time here, but I have to give HMW partial credit here. If it weren't for him, I wouldn't have noticed the de-participation effect that W.O.O. can have. Unlike him I think part of it is systematic: most people apprehend that politics is inaccessible to them short of a lot of bullshit they won't go through, and so, they seek another outlet, and W.O.O. is a good one.

But part of it is certainly encouraged. E.g., A Course In Miracles... has an MK-ULTRA dude on it? Two-and-half-strikes right there. And then there's the wrong-headed idealism of the elite, like Changing Images of Man, that remains totally blind to shit you get out of a 100-level class on Marx, but hopes for the best for humanity via a New Spirituality (...just like the thesis that Crowley's OTO being a "Post-Christianity"). But programmed either way.

And you chemtrailheads? More on that later.

[psynapz]

But, I guess when the Vril and a load of killers turned up to my house to kill me and I called bullshit on the network of psychics saving my life is why I became persona non gratis was no longer in the club.

You realize this is begging for clarification, right?

1. Were the Vril after you as far as you could tell?

2. Have you ever experienced direct contact with the Vril before this and under what circumstances?


Ok, now back to the Dons of Orgonite...

I met the man and his wife, shared a hotel room with them both, travelled from Idaho, through San Fran and onto LA to meet the star psychic Don Bradley, who puked when when he looked at my aura ... them Bradley and I shared a few joints and apparently I was cool enough to go gifting with the kids and stay in their house for a few days.

You shared a few joints with DorkBoy? Was this in the presence of Don Croft? Don was consistently clear on how he felt about "pot-addicted chest-pounders" and frequently pounded his crusty old chest about how weed limits the height of your state of consciousness and dulls your higher senses. Some I know would disagree with that, and I'm on the fence, but I'd sure like to know the circumstances of the scene you're describing and whether Don was present and/or aware you two were smoking or that either of you ever smoke.

It's certainly quite telling that Don Croft's "explanation" for why he revealed the identity of DB/DorkBoy/cbswork as Don Bradley (which DB had asked him never to do) on Croft's Etheric Warriors forum, and an event which DB says led to all kinds of trouble for himself and his children, never actually conveyed any rational explanation, just that he did it and that it seemed like the thing to do and that he wished he hadn't. Classic instigation.

I would have PMed you about the preceding other-forum gossip, but I'd rather leave it here for other orgonite-aware lurkers who may have also been sucked into Croft's personality cult.

Moving on, I would say probably the most interesting thing about DB was that he once posted a story on a long-gone site about waking up as his children were being abducted in some kind of MILAB effort, and described in detail watching them get off the TR3-B (classic black triangle) which he asserted, in passing, was made by Honeywell. I have not been able to corroborate this detail anywhere except two anonymous posts (1, 2) on GLP.

The second most interesting thing about DB was how he used to make "reptoid repellent" orgonite but stopped after meeting some nice reptilian hybrids (musicians with which he subsequently jammed, IIRC) and decided they're not all bad and it was evil of him to produce orgonite that would make them flee in terror. Or something.

What a weird saga...

[nathan28]

But, I guess when the Vril and a load of killers turned up to my house to kill me and I called bullshit on the network of psychics saving my life is why I became persona non gratis was no longer in the club.

You realize this is begging for clarification, right?

1. Were the Vril after you as far as you could tell?

2. Have you ever experienced direct contact with the Vril before this and under what circumstances?

Wait, there is the possibility of an actual "Vril" organization? Will someone spill the beans on this? Because after having been led to believe it existed I was led to believe it didn't. Someone please clarify this for me!

[alwyn]

Damn. You just don't get stuff like this on TV

[Col. Quisp]

now I really feel out of touch -- W.O.O.? World of Outlaws? Wizard of Oz? what?

[nathan28]

now I really feel out of touch -- W.O.O.? World of Outlaws? Wizard of Oz? what?

I hadn't thought of this.

This is a blue monday, or today RI is off the chart for ghoulishness. I'm going to probably browse the internet for pictures of kittens when i go home.

"W.O.O." is HMW's coinage for "woo" as in "mystical-sounding bullshit"; i think it means something like "weird occult occulsion" or "warfare-state occult occlusion" or something like that. HMW uses the term to indicate that anything that seems magical or mystical or supernatural is a cover story for a CIA/Mil-intel/whatever operation. In my case I was using it in self-deprecation, since I partly agree and partly disagree with him.

[Joe Hillshoist]

It means Wonder Occluding Objectivity, and refers to people focusing on things that inspire wonder, be they tech achievements, tripped out theoretical mathematics or UFO reports in the news, or any number of other things that involve woo, as in non rational weirdness.

Its actually a very good theory. It works, and is applied via such things as new age concepts of rejecting even thinking about negative stuff cos you will manifest it. (True to a point, but only relevent on a personal scale in some situations, despite what Oprah will tell you.) IE Don't think about how bad the starving africans have it or the chaos in haiti or you might have a car accident or crap your pants while doing a power point presentation at work - new age dogma that is both woo and W.O.O.

Or focusing on your inner child and why some bully laughing at you when you fell over on your first day at school is the reason you are feeling unhappy today.

Not cos you heard on the news that 6X has got worse, your neighbours kid was mugged and shot, you had to watch the cops beat up teenagers at the train station on the way to work, your job gives you no sacred meaning and the constant exposure you have to unrealistic ideals of happiness you know you can't achieve is starting to get on your nerves. And thats just a start.

Seriously its a valid thing, it refers to the way humans prefer the wonder stuff over the ugly stuff.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If I remember rightly psynapz, James Demeo was apoplectic about Don Croft and orgonite/chembusters.

He claimed, in about 2002, that the prolifieration of chembusters spreading around the world was actually contributing to the worldwide drought. Among other things he claimed that because chembusters were different to the original cloud busters, they did not ground themselves in a source of living (moving) water, they effectively blocking or interfering with the natural flow of orgone/chi.

Psynapz, trifecta, anything to say on those criticisms of orgonite?


MaryK ... about the only that really bugged me about Dragon was his relationship with maryK. if it wasn't for that I would have thought he got a raw deal here.

That seemed really unhealthy, especially after she mentioned her possible MKid history. Before she did I was already wondering about that.

[psynapz]

If I remember rightly psynapz, James Demeo was apoplectic about Don Croft and orgonite/chembusters.

He claimed, in about 2002, that the prolifieration of chembusters spreading around the world was actually contributing to the worldwide drought. Among other things he claimed that because chembusters were different to the original cloud busters, they did not ground themselves in a source of living (moving) water, they effectively blocking or interfering with the natural flow of orgone/chi.

Psynapz, trifecta, anything to say on those criticisms of orgonite?

In general, I have a lot of respect for Dr. James DeMeo and his research. I took away two things from anything DeMeo's ever written about orgonite chembusters:

1. DeMeo is a sensitive, caring, committed scientist and environmentalist; a Reichian True Believer.

2. His opinion is based on less research and first-hand experience with orgonite than Lars Ulrich of Metallica had with Napster when he sued them over piracy of "master-quality recordings" (which MP3's are definitely not).

Confusing subreferential analogies aside, I never had the impression that DeMeo ever actually played with a chembuster first-hand, but instead reacted as a fundamentalist would to second-hand info, with sheer denial and plainly ignorant dismissal.

He either missed or conscientiously rejects the experience of many energy-sensitive people that orgonite transmutes negative energy into positive energy in a passive, continuous manner which can only mediate a localized energetic balance and cannot by design create an imbalance.

Chembusters just add double-terminated quartz crystals aimed up through copper pipes at the sky to create a sort of vortex which either sucks the energy out of the clouds through the orgonite base which re-radiates it as positive orgone, or draws in the excessive ambient energy and directs it as positive energy towards the sky, depending on what the area needs at any given moment. It's a passive, dynamic and reflexive effect which should be easy to understand.

Not to mention it's been reported to be the overwhelming experience of prolific gifters that orgonite, including the small towerbuster variety and the large pipe-adorned directed energy devices like chembusters actually increase the seasonal rainfall and encourage flora and foliar growth, and we're talking everywhere from Death Valley California to sub-Saharan Africa. As I said before, there's not much in the way of normalized control-group vs. test-group data of any scientific quality on this of which I'm aware, but for those doing it, the confirmations speak for themselves. Whatever self-confirmation is ultimately worth, I suppose.

It would be one thing if DeMeo had said "I played with one of these and it intuitively felt all wrong," but he's just surmising that it doesn't work based on the fact that it innovates on Reich's principles without respecting the idiosyncratic observations Reich made with his now-primitive etheric energy focusing designs which DeMeo still bases his life's work upon, hence the Bush-voter-syndrome reaction to being shown that your way is sub-optimal. But perhaps I'm not being fair in that analogy...

I can't prove he's wrong, but for the sake of all the orgonite that's been deployed out there in the world, I sure hope he is. My personal experience with the stuff gives me a strong intuitive sense that it can't harm the energetic ecosphere in the way DeMeo thinks it can, and that it does more good than it could do harm, if any.

Word to the wise, though: Bondo is toxic until it sets into solid plastic, so let these things cure until they stop stinking up the place before you go burying them in the ground or tossing them in the local reservoir, k?

I hope this rambling rant adequately answers your question, but let me know if not and I'll try again after a good night's rest.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

MaryK ... about the only that really bugged me about Dragon was his relationship with maryK. if it wasn't for that I would have thought he got a raw deal here.

You're kidding, right?