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American Dream wrote:Nordic, if you do indeed have clear thinking about how anti-Zionism and anti-Racism can coexist in a principled framework, then I look forward to seeing that, and will not shirk from the opportunity to withdraw my previous questions.
Nordic wrote:The Israeli-can-do-no-wrong crowd is already starting to milk this for all it's worth.
Just made the mistake of cruising past CNN.
"Help! We're being oppressed!"
Yeah, you and a million other people. Oh, including the Palestinians, big time, by YOU.
I mean, it's a bad thing, but I hate to see a militant group use it to justify their own violence against others.
StarmanSkye wrote:Also, apparently a lot of folks are now pointing to von Brunn as a hate-crime conspiracist to discredit EVERYONE who endorses a concpiracy -- without acknowledging that there are many, many dozens of officially-subscribed conspiracy theories that are part of our modern, recent history.
The opportunistic demonization of 'conspiracy' is a sign that the criminal official's cover-up and denial desperation is reaching fever-pitch -- No cheap-shot left unexploited.
-S
professorpan wrote:Nordic wrote:The Israeli-can-do-no-wrong crowd is already starting to milk this for all it's worth.
Just made the mistake of cruising past CNN.
"Help! We're being oppressed!"
Yeah, you and a million other people. Oh, including the Palestinians, big time, by YOU.
I mean, it's a bad thing, but I hate to see a militant group use it to justify their own violence against others.
You're mixing up things here. This racist murder has *nothing* to do with the Palestinians or the Israeli government except for you bringing it into the discussion.
Anti-Semitism, of the "Jews are evil vermin that must be exterminated" flavor, is alive and well, as we see from yesterday's murder. Jews and Jewish organizations have a responsibility to point out the existence of this ugly mind virus to arrest its spread.
You characterized Jews or Jewish organizations as saying "Help! We're being oppressed!" So tell me -- when you cruised past CNN, did anyone actually say that Jews were being "oppressed" or is that your word choice? I can't remember ever hearing/reading/seeing any Jew or Jewish organization claiming they were oppressed. Targets of racist nutjobs? Certainly. Scapegoats in a very old strain of hatred? Absolutely.
Pointing out anti-Semitism does not require a caveat about Jewish oppression of Palestinians. All Jews are not responsible for the Israeli government's crimes against the Palestinians, but all Jews are targets for violent anti-Semites. Please don't mix up the two issues.
And all Jews are not part of a "militant group." Really, I can't believe that ridiculous stereotyping didn't catch more flack. What's next -- blacks are a "lazy group?"
Nordic wrote:Even Obama got on the bandwagon in his Cairo speech.
"conspiracy theorist" = "murderous nutjob"
Jeff wrote:Nordic wrote:Even Obama got on the bandwagon in his Cairo speech.
"conspiracy theorist" = "murderous nutjob"
Well, let's respect that remark's context.
For instance, Robert Fisk: "The protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous anti-Semitic tract forged by the Tsarist secret police, floats around the Arab world like a monster.... Now the Egyptians have gone one worse. They are showing a 30-part series based around the vicious text."
POTOK: Well, he like, many anti-Semites -- people were involved in this movement felt that the Federal Reserve Board is not really an entity that was created for the good of the nation, that in fact it's a private scam set up to benefit international Jewish bankers. Set up by the Rothschild family, as they say. And so it's a part of a much larger conspiracy theory about Jews essentially trying to take over the country; Jew and Christian whites and so on.
And he got this idea in his head to the point that he was actually willing to march into the Federal Reserve Board building with a sawed-off shotgun and a hunting knife. And his plan was in fact to take the governors of the board, along with Paul Volcker, hostage and essentially force them to admit the terrible things they had done on television.
Jeff wrote:Whatever you think of his comments, This is the reason he made them in Cairo.
He wasn't speaking to Alex Jones and Richard Gage.
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