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Nordic wrote:
The thing that gets me is, again, the timing of it. It's odd, there's something behind it and yes, I'm sure it has to do with the UBS angle, and of course nobody will talk about that, instead we have yet another media distraction for the masses, and yet another way in which the "conservatives" can point out how immoral "liberals" are, so we can keep that whole "divide and conquer" nonsense going.
I still think it's connected, somehow, to the MacKenzie Phillips thing. At least on some propagandistic level. All part of reviving the GOP as the party of "values". John Phillips, the dirty old perveted hippie, right? The icon of the 60's, right along with Polanski, child molesters all.
On the one hand, the thing was settled out of court.
OP ED wrote:On the one hand, the thing was settled out of court.
no. it wasn't.
jesus christ. it amazes me to hear this shit from intelligent folks.
don't you people even watch law shows on tv or something?
you CANNOT "settle" a criminal case out of court.
ever.
jesus christ.
smallprint wrote:I see your point here but neither Einstein nor Da Vinci was ever convicted, or even charged, with a crime. And futhermore, Polanski is not an inventor. He merely made some movies.
Ok, yeah, aura. What we are talking about is an extremely public, extremely controversial ARREST, not an "aura".
Oh, and the "you can't criticize unless you've seen his films" defense. That is a worthless argument, and I HAVE seen several of his films.
That is very interesting and all, but why are you comparing your jail time to Roman Polanski? Your original comment gave the impression of trivializing or minimizing the fact that he was in jail/going to jail.
Well, I think the American "justice" system is absolute shit, but that doesn't mean I fucking root against them when they actually arrest a child rapist that they should have arrested a long time ago!
Oh, and the "needs of the victim"?? You are so CONCERNED about her, that's why you want this to just go away. The case is called "State of California vs Polanski" and the entire State is the aggrieved party, by law, and the State will take him in. And the victim has repeatedly said that she is in PAIN because she is reliving the events every time she gets dragged through the mud!! Yeah, she is saying that she doesn't want him to go to jail!! All of Hollywood and half of Europe are basically calling her a worthless slut! Of course she wants this to be over with!
I'm sorry, open your fucking eyes.
OP ED wrote:i understand the notion of no one being innocent, although in other contexts i might argue precisely the opposite.
barracuda wrote:smallprint wrote:I see your point here but neither Einstein nor Da Vinci was ever convicted, or even charged, with a crime. And futhermore, Polanski is not an inventor. He merely made some movies.
Einstein wasn't an inventor either. He merely wrote some equations, which were used, as he knew they could be, to create weapons of mass destruction which eventually killed 200,000 innocent Japanese. No, he wasn't convicted for a crime, but he was known to have struggled with his grief about the thing. And I'm not comparing Einstein to Polanski. I'm comparing the work of Einstein and the work of Polanski. Or do you think mathematics or inventions are more important than art? Because I happen not to.
Ok, yeah, aura. What we are talking about is an extremely public, extremely controversial ARREST, not an "aura".
That may be what you are talking about. I am talking about his art. I thought we already agreed that he should do time.
Oh, and the "you can't criticize unless you've seen his films" defense. That is a worthless argument, and I HAVE seen several of his films.
I poised the question for the exact opposite reason you seem to think I did. (We are clearly communicating poorly with each other.) My point is, since you seem to think the movies of child rapists should be boycotted as a good first step, why didn't you? Why did you watch not just one, but several ofhis films? It's not like you didn't know the history here.
That is very interesting and all, but why are you comparing your jail time to Roman Polanski? Your original comment gave the impression of trivializing or minimizing the fact that he was in jail/going to jail.
I thought we were talking about your notion that the works and deeds of criminals should be boycotted. I was only making the comment that my own criminal past had effected something of that nature in regards to my own work. I wasn't intending to minimalise anything.
Well, I think the American "justice" system is absolute shit, but that doesn't mean I fucking root against them when they actually arrest a child rapist that they should have arrested a long time ago!
Oh, and the "needs of the victim"?? You are so CONCERNED about her, that's why you want this to just go away. The case is called "State of California vs Polanski" and the entire State is the aggrieved party, by law, and the State will take him in. And the victim has repeatedly said that she is in PAIN because she is reliving the events every time she gets dragged through the mud!! Yeah, she is saying that she doesn't want him to go to jail!! All of Hollywood and half of Europe are basically calling her a worthless slut! Of course she wants this to be over with!
Do you have a link for this? I haven't heard Samantha Geimer referred to this way in the press at all.
I'm sorry, open your fucking eyes.
You might as well rail against me; I'm probably the closest thing you're going to find on this board to an apologist for Roman Polanski, and as I have said several times, I think he's got what's coming to him, I don't really care who he is or how old he is. Go ahead, smallprint, get it all out, you clearly have some indignation to work through. Myself, I kind of got over the real intense feelings about this case some twenty-five years ago or so, though it's not like I ever thought he should be allowed back into the country, or get a free pass. I have a young daughter, and I wouldn't in a million years let Polanski anywhere near her. It's just that after all that time, I can't work up a big head of steam about it like you seem to have mustered. I don't hate him for what happened. I see him as a seriously flawed fugitive from justice, who happens to make great art. And yes, I think some of his movies are undeniably great works of art, and they weree rather universally acclaimed as such before the scandal of this crime attached itself to his name. And yes, I intend to continue to view his movies, but of course all the while knowing exactly who made them. And that knowledge will alter the aura of his films for me, even the ones made before the crime.
My point is, since you seem to think the movies of child rapists should be boycotted as a good first step, why didn't you? Why did you watch not just one, but several ofhis films? It's not like you didn't know the history here.
smallprint wrote:Nordic wrote:
The thing that gets me is, again, the timing of it. It's odd, there's something behind it and yes, I'm sure it has to do with the UBS angle, and of course nobody will talk about that, instead we have yet another media distraction for the masses, and yet another way in which the "conservatives" can point out how immoral "liberals" are, so we can keep that whole "divide and conquer" nonsense going.
I still think it's connected, somehow, to the MacKenzie Phillips thing. At least on some propagandistic level. All part of reviving the GOP as the party of "values". John Phillips, the dirty old perveted hippie, right? The icon of the 60's, right along with Polanski, child molesters all.
Great comment... I just wanted to add:
a) actually, lots of people ARE talking about the timing of this, including major newspapers. In fact, it's becoming a big part of Polanski's supporter's defense.
b) John Phillips and Roman Polanski are very closely intertwined, as Dave McGowan's Laurel Canyon series revealed:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... &start=180
c) IanEye and I just got into a virtual tussle because he apparently thought I was some raging RW teabagger coming in to raid this site. Why? Because I attacked Roman Polanski, a convicted rapist! Since when does defending a child rapist become "Left Wing", and defending a rape victim "Right Wing"? This whole thing is bizarre. There is a massive disconnect between the elite and the rest of us, and they are trying to create an idiotic, artificial Left/Right division on this issue.
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You are quite mistaken, TheDuke. I'm sorry you can't appreciate IanEye's voice on this board, but that is no reason to call him a fuckwit.
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