e-activism re Franklin Scandal

[lightningBugout]

The potential chance of some aspects of MK slavery (And SRA related issues) being at some future exposed as mainstream knowledge requires different style of discourse and management. The "lagger" (as in Concentration camps) mentality has no place, and the endless attempts to contain, manage and undermine FACTS, should perhaps be replaced with matter of fact discussions, and attempts to surface information in expectation that it will be treated as true and valid, by "the world"

Yes and stridently true. There are other things in your post I differ w/ you on I think your characterization PW is not very apt, at all and somewhat cruel. But these specific lines are still so very important. Thanks.

[hava1]

I found this board highly unsafe, for people who like me entered at a vulnerable stage when they cannot yet fully verbalize the reality of living in MK family-community and needing approval and validation. My experience here has been of re victimization, mainly via the infamous DE and his ladies of the court.

Recently, i have more or less been ignored, which might be better, practically speaking. I was shocked, literally, by the Hugh's murder story, and how "desertfae" has been processed out, very violently, and turned out to be the only (i think) person who is real, solid, and practical actor in the wrold of real life, and real crime. This was a healing experience as I saw the dynamics on this board as being very dangerous for people who are still not "there", especially emotionally, and how usually the valid witnesses are immediately "Executed", while very dubious posters, are babbling on and on with lies on lies, and act also as efficient gaggers.
Now i don't know nothing about Franklin case (probably as much as most posters here know about MK in Israel, but who still patronize with irresponsible to malicious "advice"), but it seems that the new posters here do know, and the also don't appear "helpless nutty" victims, which the board cannot process, as "Desertfae" was treated, because she is not a VICTIM to be preyed on.

The potential chance of some aspects of MK slavery (And SRA related issues) being at some future exposed as mainstream knowledge requires different style of discourse and management. The "lagger" (as in Concentration camps) mentality has no place, and the endless attempts to contain, manage and undermine FACTS, should perhaps be replaced with matter of fact discussions, and attempts to surface information in expectation that it will be treated as true and valid, by "the world".

I have to say I thought the board mentality was depressing, and still is. Since I am the last person to be heard here, I do not comment anymore, except w/r to ISrael related information, this will be my last comment on this issue.

I also expect my account to be disabled soon, god (jeff)willing, and so, this will be the last of HAva here...[/quote]

edited, as having a rotten, flu infected, mood...

[Percival]

I found this board highly unsafe, for people who like me entered at a vulnerable stage when they cannot yet fully verbalize the reality of living in MK family-community and needing approval and validation. My experience here has been of re victimization, mainly via the infamous DE and his ladies of the court.

Recently, i have more or less been ignored, which might be better, practically speaking. I was shocked, literally, by the Hugh's murder story, and how "desertfae" has been processed out, very violently, and turned out to be the only (i think) person who is real, solid, and practical actor in the wrold of real life, and real crime. This was a healing experience as I saw the dynamics on this board as being very dangerous for people who are still not "there", especially emotionally, and how usually the valid witnesses are immediately "Executed", while very dubious posters, are babbling on and on with lies on lies, and act also as efficient gaggers.
Now I don't know nothing about Franklin case (probably as much as most posters here know about MK in Israel, but who still patronize with irresponsible to malicious "advice"), but it seems that the new posters here do know, and the also don't appear "helpless nutty" victims, which the board cannot process, as "Desertfae" was treated, because she is not a VICTIM to be preyed on.

The potential chance of some aspects of MK slavery (And SRA related issues) being at some future exposed as mainstream knowledge requires different style of discourse and management. The "lagger" (as in Concentration camps) mentality has no place, and the endless attempts to contain, manage and undermine FACTS, should perhaps be replaced with matter of fact discussions, and attempts to surface information in expectation that it will be treated as true and valid, by "the world".

I have to say I thought the board mentality was depressing, and still is. Since I am the last person to be heard here, I do not comment anymore, except w/r to ISrael related information, this will be my last comment on this issue.

I also expect my account to be disabled soon, god (jeff)willing, and so, this will be the last of HAva here...

I can only speak for myself but you have always been one of my favorite contributers namely because as an Israeli citizen myself who now lives in ths US I appreciate your inside take and knowledge of all things Israel related.

There are not many posters I do not like on here, I would say I like everyone but there is one in particular whose posts I refuse to read because all they have to offer, whether the thread is about it or not, is a hatred of Jews and Israel and I prettty much operate on a zero tolerance policy towards anti-semites and their filthy breaten. But I hope you will continue to contribute because I am sure I am not alone when I say that what you bring to the table is very unuique and interesting.

As I have mentioned before a very dear woman to me is a survivor and I have known her since she was a child and her parents in our town were highly politically/intell community connected, wealthy and well known in our area and it was clear from a young age that she was very much involved in things that at the time due to our youth and ignorance none of us really understood just what it was, how deep it ran and how evil its intentions, over the years because of our deep and very committed love towards eachother we were able to bring these past problems out of her so she could move on. That said I do have experience with this but I also get a little upset when others are attacked for seemingly being insenstive to things that may trigger others and it makes me and likely other posters feel as if we have to tip toe around here all the time and watch what we say and do. I also thinkk that lately several new survivors have joined our community here at RI and I WANT TO PERSONALLY WELCOME YOU and let you now that this place is not exclusive or a secret club or a popularity contest but it does seem that some of the older surivor posters are involved in some sort of turf war on here and dont like the idea that they may not be top dog anymore as others are now sharing their stories also and I hope that continues as I love to see new people here on RI and learn more about their stories and experiences as the more I learn the more I am able to help and understand what my own loved one went through. So lets all try and be good to eachothers and not jump on eacothers asses for being insensitive just because we may post something that offends you or triggers you.


Also I would like to add that I am a member of the working press with AP credentials etc and I also co own a book publishing company and if there is anything I can do to help any of you with my influence in such areas do let me know and I will do the best I can using the professional contacts and have established with over the years including a personal relationship with Nancy Grace although not a good one or a close one I do know her on a professional level and have very little respect for her as most in the professional field of journalism do, we dont tend to care much for the tabloid sensationalism that her and her ilk pad their pockets with while we struggle to pay our bills by following industry ethics and dont take advantage of others misfortune for profit.

[Project Willow]

Editing because Hava edited out her comments about me rendering my reply nonsensical.

I'll leave this: Let the new voices reign.

I am tired.

Ciao, happy trails, etc.
(I was saying goodbye to Hava there, sorry that wasn't clear.)

[lightningBugout]

I hope you, PW, will very carefully weight that decision and not let yourself get run out of here by anyone.

[Percival]

PW you are a very important part of RI and have been for a long time and youre not going anywhere stick around and keep truckin dear.

[compared2what?]

And I actually want you to be queen bee, so that I can be your sidekick, who's in practically every scene just so that she can speak two expository lines at the end of act two before departing to run some errand at your behest, upon the success of which the entire plot hinges. You know. The one who just seems like she's probably actually gay, for some reason, even though you know she's supposed to be Chaco's girl, because otherwise that gag about the big spring dance wouldn't make any sense.

Hm. I saw a beautiful photograph of some girl-gang girls somewhere recently. Wish I could remember where.

[posting tulpa]

percival, most Jews are not semites, therefore can't be victims of anti semitism.


C2W, PW, Percival, etc.....still jerkin I see. Fuck, you guys are so gay with your constant blatant reach-arounds and backhands its a wonder anything of importance ever gets discussed around here anymore! Great job douchebags. You've managed to take a thread about an RI classic and once again turn it into "about you(s)". Franklin was one Jeff's first hooks that reeled me in here....

Hava, I took a hiatus from RI a while back for similar reasons. Strongly recommended and highly underrated.

Peace shit heads. thanks again for ruining something else.

PS Jeff you may want to consider limiting # of posts per user per day. It would reduce the self indulgent nature of the perennial perpetrators significantly. Just my .02 cents.

[lightningBugout]

Yeah - totally "gay."

[monster]

I love everyone here. Group hug.

[Percival]

percival, most Jews are not semites, therefore can't be victims of anti semitism.


C2W, PW, Percival, etc.....still jerkin I see. Fuck, you guys are so gay with your constant blatant reach-arounds and backhands its a wonder anything of importance ever gets discussed around here anymore! Great job douchebags. You've managed to take a thread about an RI classic and once again turn it into "about you(s)". Franklin was one Jeff's first hooks that reeled me in here....

Hava, I took a hiatus from RI a while back for similar reasons. Strongly recommended and highly underrated.

Peace shit heads. thanks again for ruining something else.

PS Jeff you may want to consider limiting # of posts per user per day. It would reduce the self indulgent nature of the perennial perpetrators significantly. Just my .02 cents.

What the fuck did I do to warrant that personal attack. I havent reached around nor bakchanded anyone in this thread, like you noticed, that there was indeed a lot of that exactly going on around here lately and I really dont understand why. Like every other forum I post on the regular old gaurd posters dont usually take well to the newly registered members and I think that is RIDICULOUS because I personally fresh and new ideas that the new posters bring and I dont see any reason to treat them like shit just because they dont have 1000 posts under their belt, they are welcome here just the same.

I also understand there are a lot of abuse victims here and like I said I have first hand experience with such a person that I love very much but over the course of the last few weeks I have had my assed jumped for posting a picture of something that a survivor indicated was trigger, I try not to be insensitive about such matters but this is a discussion forum and if you are unable to carry on a regular conversation with others which may many times include words or phrases or pictures that may be triggering to you then perhaps you are not ready for these types of places and need to spend more time in therapy working those issues out.

That is NOT to say that one should go out of their way to purposely post words, phrases that they know through experience or research will trigger some but on the other hand I dont think that every poster should have to weight every word, phrase or picture they post for fear it may be offensive or triggering to someone.

I am not here to backhand, offend or hurt anyone, I am here to learn, discuss and share and I want to be able to do so in any way I please without being jumped on because something I have to say may not be what the consensus believes or agrees with.

That said I have nothing but respect and admiration for everyone here UP UNTIL the point they cross the line between legit criticism of Israeli political policy which even I do not agree with, to blatant anti semitism.

And yes, not all Jews are semites but that is beside the point you now damn well what anti semitism is and it is easily recognizable and in this day and age there is no place for it anywhere.

[sw]

Geez, you guys. Quit leaving and fighting. That is exactly what the perps want. Disrupt the board. Start infighting. Kill threads.

Ignore posters who seem more focused on a poster instead of the thread. That is a danger flag for when I see that happening.

Hava, I'm not seeing this behavior in you. Maybe a break is good but the board will lose the perspective that only you seem present. I don't often comment because it's new to me. Don't take lack of discussion sometimes in a given post take away from the importance of the posts. That probably is more about others listening with interest but not having a response.

I only speak for myself. This board is about rigorous intuition, Most of the topics are not given light in other places at all. Both of you walk and the board will lose out.

EVerything I learned about good communication I learned from the Dog Whisperer. (just kidding, but kind of true.)

New posters are important but ones that come in attacking other posters right from the first posts strike me as warning flags. Who flames on their first posts?

[Free]

I've appreciated everyones contributions to this thread.*

I've always found the internet medium to be a challenging one for interpersonal relating. Misunderstandings and hurt feelings tend to proliferate, and, of course, if you add deliberate obfuscators and trolls, the mix can quickly go toxic.

But I do think that it would be a good idea to try to clarify things and clear the air between us.

This, I'm sure you'll all agree, should be done on a different thread. Since Franklin E activism is vital to survivors, those who care about them, the USA and the world at large, I propose that we keep this thread about getting the word out about "The Franklin Scandal."

With the desire of furthering board harmony, I'm starting a new thread entitled-

R.I. How can we get along here?

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 984#293984




*(except for Posting Tulpas', which was a personal attack on several posters and was seemingly designed to inflame and destroy the discussion, while claiming to want the opposite).

[Jeff]

posting tulpa, I'm suspending your account.

[chiggerbit]

Hmmm, is pt taking the brunt of what should be a collective punishment?