Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

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Postby nathan28 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:39 pm

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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:40 pm

It also, as a Nuggs or true basketball fan, doesn't get any more sick than this clip from the late 90's.



Rodney Rogers, the dude making the threes, is now paralyzed from an ATV accident BTW. Fuck, I love that guy! Here's a very recent story about him that I was surprised to see upon googling.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/ ... ers-100614
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby Cordelia » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:43 pm

I think I'm going to finally yield to Direct TV's telemarketers so I can tune into ESPN and follow RI threads!
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:52 pm

Cordelia wrote:I think I'm going to finally yield to Direct TV's telemarketers so I can tune into ESPN and follow RI threads!
:shrug:


Sorry. Just had to throw that in there as the tangent I was on in my mind was going that direction. That's a really sad story about Rodney Rogers by the way.

Maybe I'm being mind controlled by too much rigor or something.
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby praeclarus » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:53 pm

compared2what? wrote:It's very grossly and offensively racist in appearance. Vilely so, one might even say.


compared2what? wrote:I seek to encourage more speaking, not more self-censorship.


Good one. :D
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:09 am

Come on now. I really do expect and hope and wish for people to plainly speak their minds. Just as I do.

I don't have any authority over anyone else here, after all. We're all peers.
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby crikkett » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:42 pm

surfaceskimmer wrote:There is no reason this can't or shouldn't be taught to any reasonably intelligent, attentive and active individual in any performance discipline (athletics, music, et al) in late high school and early college.


I second surfaceskimmer's comment.

My vote is that Tiger Woods is not a mind control victim. At his net worth I'd say he's not a victim at all. I'd say he's quite capable of controlling his own destiny.

"The rise and fall of Tiger Woods" was a cross between Maury Povich's brand of pornography and a "Two-and-a-half Men" episode. I was unimpressed, especially by the stripper who decided to be interviewed in her 'working clothes' and the boobs (probably hers) flashed at the 54:00 mark. But it did help fill an otherwise boring monday morning. Thanks!

MinM's post carried a racist message, to be sure. But I don't suspect MinM of doing more than holding up a mirror to the MSM. In fact, I think that was the point.
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby Laodicean » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:50 pm

Yeah, there must've been a malfunction in Tiger's programming over the weekend. He lost the US Open. Phil Mickelson's too, I guess...
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby surfaceskimmer » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:40 pm

Thank you, Crikkett.

One of the comments or insights I developed after reading (and excerpting) that assemblage of books was that there is a very, very fine edge on that sword as someone develops or sharpens someone's talent; it defines the difference between self-confidence and arrogance. That sword can chop down trees and slice tossed silk scarves but it can also deeply wound the person wielding it. This is demonstrated most poignantly in the book "Competitive Fire: Insights into developing the warrior mentality of sports champions", Michael Clarkson, Human Kinetics, 1999 and in its explanation of the history of Pete Rose, who also moved towards self-destruction. As we tend to move towards bolstering someone's confidence, we risk inflating it into troubled behavior. This is also tangentially addressed in this article:

Tom Dispatch: Robert Lipsyte: We Won, Dad, But I'm Lost, Lessons from Tiger, Lance, and Andre

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http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/53353

From TomDispatch this Father's Day morning: A moving meditation on what fathers' sports obsessions do to their children -- Robert Lipsyte, "We Won, Dad, But I'm Lost, Lessons from Tiger, Lance, and Andre." http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175263/

Former New York Times sports columnist and TomDispatch Jock Culture correspondent Robert Lipsyte picks Father's Day to offer a moving essay on what the sports dreams of fathers can do to sons, whether they are of the ilk of Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong, and Andre Agassi, or the rest of us. This piece is also a moving thank-you to his own father who preferred visiting libraries to ball fields and, despite his young son's despair, offered not a hand when it came to sports.

Starting with the tale of how he missed the big story of 15 year-old Tiger Woods and his driven father, Lipsyte explores a set of sports legends who were propelled by their implacable or intimidating dads to the heights of sports and the depths of misery. ("In that Sportsworld version of prison, how else could Tiger express himself, declare his independence, perhaps even shout for help, and dig his way out, if not through outrageous misconduct? Agassi abused drugs. Tiger abused sex.")

This is sports as many of us remember it this Father's Day, with the Little League coach -- the one who caused Lipsyte to pull his own son off the team -- walking out to the mound "to tell his 11-year-old boy that he would now find out if he was a man." ("Whatever he found out in that moment," comments Lipsyte, "I’d put my bottom dollar on the likelihood that he became yet another in a long line of kids who burned out early, or got hurt and quit sports, just to get out from under the pressure of dad’s expectations.")

This is a side of sports that's too seldom brought up -- the world of parental pressure, even obsession. It's a perfect Father's Day piece. Lipsyte concludes: "Looking back, I wonder if I was the lucky one after all. When it came to sports, I experienced benign fatherly neglect. That’s undoubtedly one reason I’ve never had a decent jump shot. Fair enough. Thanks, Dad."

http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175263/


There is an addictive element involved, even when it comes from one's own hormones and synapses. Some people get addicted to the pursuit of excellence in any field of endeavor, and some people slide off into other addictions.

What it's all about is self-control, self-responsibility, etc.
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:54 am

Thank you for that excellent piece, surfaceskimmer.
I am reminded of two things from reading it; the first is the mother driven 'child star' / beauty pageant scene. It seems to have similar underlying dynamics to the vicarious, driven fathers described above.
The second is (and I am paraphrasing inelegantly here) what John Grinder, co-founder of NLP said.
He was of the opinion that human excellence is like a musical score which can be learned and practiced by anyone. That people who do things brilliantly often have the least knowledge as to what they do (because the processes are unconscious) and so are often poor teachers of the art. That everyone can achieve excelence at whatever they choose - it is just a matter of finding an exemplar and modelling them appropriately - capturing the musical score of what they do, if you will, followed by the systematic transfer of this to another person.

I have been very surprised that this is not much more popular, as the Grinder branch of NLP has always been about modelling and personal ecology - however it seems that the Bandler branch, which is much more about influence and persuasion, is where the money is...
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby semper occultus » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:47 am

My vote is that Tiger Woods is not a mind control victim. At his net worth I'd say he's not a victim at all


the question was mind-control subject - subtle difference....about a billion-dollars worth of difference give or take.

the same channel did a good doco called "Trophy Kids" that was horribly entertaining & worth trying to find - including the golf dad taking his 10 yr old son window-shopping in the Ferrari show-room "...this'll be your toy-shop when you're winning majors"... really puke-making !
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby Cordelia » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:20 pm

crikkett wrote:My vote is that Tiger Woods is not a mind control victim. At his net worth I'd say he's not a victim at all. I'd say he's quite capable of controlling his own destiny.

I agree with Semper, though I still haven't seen the video. Grrr.....I woke up within my allotted 'free' time to download the documentary but the original link was no longer available to view. I think maybe I'm not meant to see this video. (But on an earlier attempt, was there really a newscaster reporting from her news desk, wearing only a black bra? Maybe I dreamt that. If not, I'm so glad I don't have T.V.)

But yeah, the key is, did Tiger Woods, as a conscious, autonomous individual of consenting age, agree to be trained? Because, if he was the subject of a deliberate, systematic plan to engineer him and his future, no he wasn't and probably stll isn't in control of his own destiny. Who can say if he's capable. Of course, lots of kids are raised with expectations to meet their parents' agendas. Bad parenting, but not unusual. But this is about something far more Machiavellian.

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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby surfaceskimmer » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:29 pm

"[T]he mother driven 'child star' / beauty pageant scene" is another social venue where all this occurs and invites even worse application than the ability to putt for dough. You might also investigate the child pop star scene, the Milley Cyrus game, Lady GaGa, and countless others.

Beyond the topics addressed in the books I noted -- I'll say more on that in a moment -- the question about Tiger probably can stand more exploration on two fronts, speculatively or otherwise:

a) What has been the effect on this man Eldrick of all the attention, fawning, stardom, sponsorships and money? If Eldrick were groomed by his mom and dad for super-stardom, certainly their influence had to have waned by the time the fellow graduated from Stanford and went out on tour, found and formed a relationship with his own swing and mental coaches, fiscal managers, etc., all of which tends to put distance between child and parent and rubs away or reinforces what they gave him;

b) If Tiger's father was, in fact, a US Army Special Forces or special ops kinda fellow in the Vietnam war, then it is entirely possible he was exposed to (and possibly used) mind control techniques on Tiger as a child. We do know certain things about operations and techniques and strategies used then... I say this not to support the theory but to ask those putting it forth to back it up or prove it.

i) Is there connecting information?
ii) Is there psychological or scientific support for the susceptibility of a child to such techniques with their retention without degradation of performance or self?

The way I see it, Tiger's self-destruct came from his wealth -- an obvious attractant to the kinds of people he ended up associating himself with -- and his sense of uniqueness, the Achilles heel he created for himself with his stunning performances... (some of which are legendary), the 'immortality' he gave to himself by mindless acceptance of his outstandingness instead of retaining and en training to the cautions built into the material I've noted. One might call it hubris. This is in direct parallel with Pete Rose, Mickey Mantle and others.

I got into reading all those books (and that's not even half of the list) when my kids climbed the sports ladder; they were good, very good in some cases, because they stayed with it and worked hard. The younger one had God-given talent. I was their coach in many cases until they got to be about 14; that's when dads have to step aside in favor of high school coaches. At that level, however, they run into ill-prepared, sometimes psychologically abusive or destructive coaches using the wrong techniques, as well as obvious favoritism to other athletes for a variety of reasons; thus they were not going to teach them how to achieve the best they had within them. I started to read; I got hooked. I am over 300 books deep (most still on my shelf), plus three post-graduate seminars in related fields which put me in contact with proven leaders in the field. [Please do not assume that it was all me, or that I think it was all me; to the contrary, there were one or two outstanding coaches we found or were lucky enough to cross paths with who provided the right thing at the right time.] I excerpted parts of the books and would share the material and use it over time. By the time my kids got to college (on sports scholarships), I was mailing them three pages every other day to read. As time went on, I realized what I had and I began to transfer all of that into digital format; the result is a 1,400-page compendium (foot-noted, with bibliography and appendices), designed to be offered over a three-to-four year period of time, that my daughter thinks of as a graduate school manual in the field. (She should know; she has two master's degrees in sports management and elementary education after a stellar career in her sport.) I give this stuff away for free (it is that potent). (Send a PM if you'd like.) On one memorable day, I hung a one-page "poster" on the dugout fence, and she had a jaw-dropping performance. I have many such stories. Again, it's not about me; I am nothing. It's about the individual who wants to achieve excellence.
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby semper occultus » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:31 pm

'I could kill you in two seconds' - Tiger Woods bragged how he could kill his former swing coach

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PUBLISHED: 23:32, 19 March 2012 | UPDATED: 08:31, 20 March 2012

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Tiger Woods was so obsessed with Navy SEAL training that he once put his swing coach in a special hold and told him: ‘From here I could kill you in about two seconds’.
The champion golfer - who secretly wanted to join the military - told Hank Haney to stand up then put his arm round his neck so he could not move at all.


Faced with the prospect of near-instant death, Haney feebly replied: ‘Please don’t’.

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Spilling the beans: Swing coach Hank Haney (left) paints a less than flattering picture of golf pro Tiger Woods (right)

In his explosive tell-all book Haney also reveals that Woods became so obsessed with the soldiering he spent most of his spare time playing Navy SEAL computer games or watching the Military Channel on TV.
He became so concerned about the 14-times PGA tour winner that he sent him an email which read: ‘Man, are you crazy?’

It also warned him that his destiny was to be a professional golfer, not to go 'flushing bad guys out of buildings in Iraq'.
Haney’s embarrassing disclosures are in his memoir ‘The Big Miss’, about his years coaching Woods.

Among the claims already reported are that Woods banned his ex-wife Elin Nordegren from smiling when she was on the golf course when he won because he felt he was ‘supposed to win’.

Woods, 36, also wanted to become a Navy SEAL like his father Earl, who was a green beret who served two Army tours in Vietnam.

In an exclusive extract in Golf Digest magazine, Haney claims that self defence was Woods’ ‘favourite topic’ and that he would ‘really wanted to be able to protect his family’.
Haney writes: ‘After his training, he explained about the different martial arts that are incorporated in the SEAL style of hand-to-hand combat. Once, in his living room, he had me stand up so he could demonstrate some moves.

‘He got me in one position with his arm around my neck where I couldn't really move. ‘From here,’ he said, ‘I could kill you in about two seconds.’ I kind of laughed and said: ‘Please don't.’

Another source of tension was Woods going on Navy SEAL training courses instead of training for golf, putting himself at risk of serious injury.

Haney writes that to his knowledge Woods did training in parachuting, self-defense, urban-warfare simulations and shooting, along with diving which he was already accomplished at.


Just 18 days ahead of the 2007 US Open, Woods went off on yet another Navy SEAL course and Haney sent him a blunt email expressing his disapproval.
It reads: ‘So you think it was a good idea to go on a Navy SEALs mission? You need to get that whole SEALs thing out of your system and stick to playing Navy SEAL on the video games.
‘I can tell by the way you are talking and acting that you still want to become a Navy SEAL.

‘Man, are you crazy? You have history to make in golf and people to influence and help. Focus on your destiny, and that isn't flushing bad guys out of buildings in Iraq. Just play the video games some more. That Navy SEAL stuff is serious business. They use real bullets.’

Haney writes that Woods’ ‘fixation really came out when he played a SEALs video game’.

He says: ‘Tiger would put on headphones, through which an animated commander would give him orders for the next mission to be carried out.

‘The objective was to keep overcoming increasingly difficult tests. Tiger would get totally immersed, sitting on the edge of the couch, as intense and focused as if he were playing in a major championship’.


Woods would go running in his army boots and repeatedly watched the official Navy SEAL training DVD to see if he was doing the moves correctly, Haney says.

As the BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEALs) film played yet again Woods would sit there saying: ‘That would be cool’.
Woods’ world came crashing down in 2009 when he was exposed as a serial cheat.

Miss Nordegren divorced him and won a reported $100million settlement as well as custody of Sam Alexis, four, and their son Charlie, three.
Woods’ sponsors also deserted him and he has not won a major tournament since 2010.
The same year Haney left him, but not before he saw the way he had begun to treat his wife.
Three months after the couple married, Miss Nordegren apparently wanted to celebrate her husband’s victory at Torrey Pines.
She suggested they throw a party like they used to when she worked as a nanny for fellow golfer Jesper Parnevik.
But Woods shot her down, saying: ‘E, that’s not what we do. I’m not Jesper. We’re supposed to win.’
Haney adds that the model’s smile ‘got smaller’ as their marriage continued. ‘In the future Elin would keep her emotions under wraps whenever Tiger won’.

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Controlling: Tiger Woods told his ex-wife she wasn't allowed to smile on the golf course if he won, according to former swing coach Hank Haney

Haney goes on to write that during their six years together, Woods showed little respect for those around him.
He would make others pay for takeout and simply leaving a restaurant when he was done eating - whether or not those around him had finished.
For months, Haney was afraid to ask Woods for a Popsicle when the golfer was heading to the refrigerator. ‘He never offered me one or ever came back with one,' he writes.

He describes the anguish he felt over Woods’ simple lack of courtesy.
‘It actually took me a while to summon the courage to blurt out: ‘Hey, Bud, do you think I could have one of those Popsicles?’’

Haney also depicts Woods as bad-mannered, cheap, and obsessed with pornography and smutty humour.
Before the 2006 Ryder Cup several golfers, including devout Christian Zach Johnson, shared a hotel room with Woods.
Woods ‘immediately purchased the adult-move 24-hour package and turned it on,’ Haney said, according to an extract in the New York Post.
Johnson had no choice but to ignore the adult programming.
In another damning recollection, Haney writes that when Woods went out to eat with Nordegren, he’d get up and leave and expect her to follow – even if she hadn’t finished her meal.
‘When he was done – and he habitually ate fast – you were done,’ he writes.

Woods has written off the book, calling it ‘unprofessional and very disappointing’
.He told ESPN.com that the book - which will be released prior to this year’s US Masters - was especially hurtful because ‘it’s someone I worked with and trusted as a friend.’
He called Haney’s anecdotes ‘one-sided’ and a cheap way to earn money.
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Re: Tiger Woods : Mind control subject ?

Postby Nordic » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:12 pm

All that SEAL training, yet his little blond wife thoroughly kicked his ass that fateful night.

Some "Tiger".
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