Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

[lupercal]

Meanwhile, Israel and its Western allies very much need this regime, or one just like it, because any Egyptian government that is at all representative of, or accountable to, the Egyptian people will most certainly NOT serve these predators' interests. At all. Au contraire, mon cher.

Possibly they find it convenient, but Egypt is a big country and has gone to war with Israel so wouldn't it be more convenient if it were less big, less armed, less literate and more impoverished, divided, and indebted to multinational banksters? Wouldn't it be more convenient if Egypt had no army at all? And more convenient still if it were driven into permanent "civil war," like Iraq, that the US could spend even more trillions"defending" itself against while lining the pockets of oil company and defense contractors? Wouldn't it be even better still if it were as bad off as Palestine, and what makes you think they'll stop until it is? Human decency? The Marquis of Queensberrry's rules? The court of public opinion? I know it's not easy being in the eye of the cyclone Alice but at least try to think critically about what's going on.

[lupercal]

The thing that Ms. Clinton and her zionist friends need to realize is that it's too late: Egyptians have not only their own considerable and rather bitter experience to draw on, but all the lessons of the now-discredited "color revolutions" and bullshit controlled "opposition" politicians, activists and journalists, "Al Hurra" and other propaganda outlets, etc., all of which have been thoroughly exposed, the whole bag of tricks.

If Twitbook-orchestrated color revolutions have been discredited you wouldn't know it from the propaganda, for example this gem in the US spook paper of record:

Inspired by Tunisia and Egypt, Yemenis join in anti-government protests
Washington Post Foreign Service, Thursday, January 27, 2011; 6:26 PM

SANAA, YEMEN - Inspired by the revolts in Egypt and Tunisia, thousands of Yemenis took to the streets Thursday demanding an end to the government of President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has ruled this impoverished Middle Eastern nation for more than three decades.

The rally, one of the largest demonstrations in this capital in recent memory, unfolded in four neighborhoods. Protesters wore pink scarves and pink bandanas and clutched pink placards. Some described their struggle as "the Pink Revolution," an allusion to Tunisia's Jasmine Revolution.

"Thirty-two years is enough. Tunisia revolted after 23 years," some chanted.

"Look at Tunisia with pride," others chanted. "Yemen has strong people, too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02081.html

Discredited or not that's what all three operations look like, that's what they're being sold as, and I'm very inclined to agree that's what they are. But I'll try to keep an open mind.

[lupercal]

3) The Egyptian regime has been collaborating with Israel in the latter's criminal and barbaric siege against Gaza and even, shockingly, injected poisonous gas into tunnels that serve as a lifeline for people in Gaza, killing several people.

It's often hard to know exactly who did what but let's say in the interest of keeping its $1.3 billion annual US military assistance they took the rap. Apparently they also reopened the Rafah border crossing last June and that can't have made them any friends in Washington or Langely:

Rafah crossing to remain open indefinitely
Palestine Note, 9 Jun 2010

Washington - Egypt has opened its border crossing with the Gaza Strip indefinitely in the wake of Israel's deadly high-seas raid of a convoy of aid vessels bound for Gaza May 31.


Palestinians wait to cross at the Rafah border crossing in an undated photo.

An Egyptian terminal official for Rafah, Salama Baraka, told Ma'an News Agency on Wednesday the government has no plans to close the crossing in the near future.

Baraka said he is hopeful that the crossing will remain open and Cairo will re-exaimine its policy regarding the Palestinian territory. Baraka said six buses carrying some 500 passengers pass through the Rafah crossing each day.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 09c02a78ca

So while I don't necessarily dispute your claims you may be missing the forest for the trees. Have you considered the possibility that you're being propagandized into believing that Egypt, its army, and Mubarek are not perceived as regional threats? Because I think that would be naive.

[8bitagent]

3) The Egyptian regime has been collaborating with Israel in the latter's criminal and barbaric siege against Gaza and even, shockingly, injected poisonous gas into tunnels that serve as a lifeline for people in Gaza, killing several people.

It's often hard to know exactly who did what but let's say in the interest of keeping its $1.3 billion annual US military assistance they took the rap. Apparently they also reopened the Rafah border crossing last June and that can't have made them any friends in Washington or Langely:

Rafah crossing to remain open indefinitely
Palestine Note, 9 Jun 2010

Washington - Egypt has opened its border crossing with the Gaza Strip indefinitely in the wake of Israel's deadly high-seas raid of a convoy of aid vessels bound for Gaza May 31.


Palestinians wait to cross at the Rafah border crossing in an undated photo.

An Egyptian terminal official for Rafah, Salama Baraka, told Ma'an News Agency on Wednesday the government has no plans to close the crossing in the near future.

Baraka said he is hopeful that the crossing will remain open and Cairo will re-exaimine its policy regarding the Palestinian territory. Baraka said six buses carrying some 500 passengers pass through the Rafah crossing each day.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 09c02a78ca

So while I don't necessarily dispute your claims you may be missing the forest for the trees. Have you considered the possibility that you're being propagandized into believing that Egypt, its army, and Mubarek are not perceived as regional threats? Because I think that would be naive.

So...if the United States and it's CIA spook tentacles are the ones behind so much of this stuff, using countries as mere puppets til they are no longer of use or a threat...

Why does it seem like America is the one being used sometimes, even as a willful stooge? Why is it that it's been China that ultimately got most the oil in Iraq and most the minerals in Afghanistan? Why is it that America has exhausted trillions on these wars/internal security/etc, has had its named dragged through the mud and has a lot of its citizens on both sides in disgust of the government..yet ultimately dividing up Iraq was more beneficial to Saudi Arabia and Israel. The war in Afghanistan serves the interests of India security and Chinese industry, among other interests. Is it really that the US is puppeteering the world...or is the US itself merely a willing puppet? While its beyond comprehension all the ultra advanced weaponry, tech, and soon to come DEW/Sat weapons the US commands along with impossibly complex eavesdropping/data mining/etc. and an endless supply of money to pour into this stuff...one has to wonder what ultimately the game on the chessboard is. No doubt tho, companies like Blackwater, Dyncorp, Parsons, Haliburton, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc have made a fortune in these wars.

I've always entertained the notion that ALL countries and sides are manipulated, at times pitted against eachother(ie: WW1 and WW2)

[tazmic]

Wikileaks Cable: "Torture and police brutality in Egypt are endemic and widespread."

Nothing new, but good timing I suppose.

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/01/09CAIRO79.html

[JackRiddler]

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All the stupid's here. And the smart are busy trying to reason with it. Now even an uprising in Egypt - finally, Egypt! - has to be claimed as a CIA fix, of course, because some moron in the US media said Wikileaks or Twitter in association with Egypt. Also our beleaguered hero of diplomacy HR Clinton doesn't like what's happening, and as we've learned, Wikileaks runs the new American imperialist strategy, whereas the US Secretary of State is its victim! So why not? Why should we distinguish at all, all events are a CIA fix, right? Right down to including everyone who disagrees. Le CIA, c'est moi auci! Also, if the bases are shut down, nuclear weapons are abolished, the CIA building thrown open to historians and the Pentagon turned into a hospital (as originally intended, according to legend) or a library dedicated to the victims of imperialism, that will also be a fix fix fix. Those bastards!

Why doesn't this board have an ignore thread function? It would make all sorts of people happier.

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[vanlose kid]

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All the stupid's here. And the smart are busy trying to reason with it. Now even an uprising in Egypt - finally, Egypt! - has to be claimed as a CIA fix, of course, because some moron in the US media said Wikileaks or Twitter in association with Egypt. Also our beleaguered hero of diplomacy HR Clinton doesn't like what's happening, and as we've learned, Wikileaks runs the new American imperialist strategy, whereas the US Secretary of State is its victim! So why not? Why should we distinguish at all, all events are a CIA fix, right? Right down to including everyone who disagrees. Le CIA, c'est moi auci! Also, if the bases are shut down, nuclear weapons are abolished, the CIA building thrown open to historians and the Pentagon turned into a hospital (as originally intended, according to legend) or a library dedicated to the victims of imperialism, that will also be a fix fix fix. Those bastards!

Why doesn't this board have an ignore thread function? It would make all sorts of people happier.

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losing battle, fighting, etc.

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[Gnomad]

Willpower, Jack.
Don't touch that button.

[lupercal]

^ Predictable. Freedom is on the march, yay, but for whom exactly? I've seen enough live-on-CNN mayhem to know that this particular Waco will turn out no better than the one in Texas. But don't miss a minute or you might miss a murder!

[nathan28]

So, exactly what would a democratic revolution in an exceedingly corrupt US-backed quasi-dictatorship look like if this ain't it? Because if you're waiting for Barack Obama, Larry Summers and Charles Koch to shoot social democratic rainbows and economic equality unicorns or even just change in the neocolonial order--AND 9/11 TRUTH TEH BIGGEST ISSUE EVAR!!111!1!!--out their asses, you're going to be holding your breath long enough that hopefully you pass out and smash your computer's modem. So enlighten us, lupercal.

[vanlose kid]

^ ^ it's that hegelian dialectic, innit? alex jones knows all about it.

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[nathan28]

^ ^ it's that hegelian dialectic, innit? alex jones knows all about it.

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yeah, he can really read between the lines of the wikipedia entry on that Illuminati Freemason Jew synarchist-pedophile CIA-Mossad-MI5/6-Teaparty tract, Phänomenologie des Geistes

lulz @ the terminal ignorance of jonestardation

[lupercal]

^ Godwin's law, also predictable.

[lupercal]

from the Department of Wishful Thinking:

Here are two quick lessons to be drawn from the events of January in the Middle East.

1. Gamal is gone: Gamal Mubarak, once almost universally regarded as Egypt’s next president, will not attain that position. The continuing demonstrations against the Mubarak regime, the complaints about 30 years of Mubarak rule, make it impossible that the son should succeed the father. Efforts to cram him into that position would give rise to public discontent far greater than we are seeing already. The succession in Egypt is wide open now.

2. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not central: Arab affairs reflect the internal crises of Arab countries and regimes and are not built around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What has been happening in Tunisia and Egypt is about Tunisia and Egypt. Same for the crisis in Lebanon, recent rioting in Jordan, and other key issues throughout the Arab world (stasis in Algeria, succession in Saudi Arabia, and so on). What unites these events is their relationship to the democracy deficit and to internal social and economic problems, not to Israel.

-- Elliot Abrams, "Lessons of January," Council on Foreign Relations, January 26, 2011

http://blogs.cfr.org/abrams/2011/01/26/ ... f-january/

Translation: The succession in Egypt is wide open to an even more pliant puppet, nobody there is onto us, and for once they've stopped yapping about Palestine.

[lupercal]

Wikileaks suggest Egyptian coup is a US plot...

WikiLeaks show US frustrated with Egypt military
(AP) – Dec 30, 2010

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's military, the biggest recipient of U.S. military aid after Israel, is in decline, according to American diplomats, who blame the Arab nation's top brass for failing to modernize and adapt to deal with new threats.

U.S. diplomatic memos leaked this month show previously unknown friction between the two allies over military assistance and strategy. Military cooperation has always been seen as an unshakable link between Egypt and the U.S., even as the political side of the alliance has gone through public ups and downs over Washington's on-and-off pressure on reform and human rights.

The disagreements, the memos show, are over a wide range of topics, with the U.S. pressing Egypt to focus its military toward terrorism, halting cross-border smuggling and helping out in regional crises. They also suggest that, to the dismay of the Americans, the Egyptian military continues to see Israel, its enemy in four wars spanning 25 years in the last century, as its primary adversary 31 years after the two neighbors signed a peace treaty.

"The United States has sought to interest the Egyptian military into expanding their mission in ways that reflect new regional and transnational security threats, such as piracy, border security, and counterterrorism," said a memo dated Dec. 21, 2008, released by WikiLeaks.

"But the aging leadership, however, has resisted our efforts and remained satisfied with continuing to do what they have done for years: train for force-on-force warfare with a premium on grounds forces and armor."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 09c02a78ca

So this (attempted) regime change isn't "people-powered" after all? It's right there in wikileaks so it must be true!