wordspeak2 wrote:From Netanyahu, huh? Even though he said it benefits the IDF? Oh, OK.
Joe, what on earth are you smoking? No one said that the people are the streets are all on the CIA's payroll, or that any of them are. It has nothing to do with that.
I'm smoking the best weed in the world man, I live in the hills behind Nimbin and just went to a 50th.
That's obviously not how these things work. Intelligence agencies work with key movement leaders, on the internet, influence the media, and in various ways light the sparks for an instant mass-movement such as this. They're good at it; they've done it a few times before.
And the whole point of this thing is there are no leaders everytime the western media or loopy mention a leader there's hundreds of twitter feeds saying "we have no leaders just these demands".
FFS WE all know hard outside influences work to co opt these things, the point is every time they have tried something (and Lupercal has parroted it, the answer from "#Egypt" seems to be "Nah, well maybe if he does what we want other wise no fucking way".
Do you know why Wael Ghonim was called a "leader" by the crowd? Cos the regime was asking for someone to negotiate with and he had disappeared off the street and the event was photographed (and yes some of what he says is sus, but not everyone is treating him as the voice of the people either, cept in the western media",) and they said he was the leader now cos he was in custody when he was released someone else in custody became the negotiater. That was the idea behind him being called a "leader".
A week ago.
Look how the Murdoch media covered it. The street battles were always framed as "Mubarak army attacks protesters," rather than "Violent protesters incite riots," which is the MSM's slant when they don't like the protest movement. I was in the streets in Seattle protesting the WTO in 1999, and at follow-up protests to that (the energy of which 9/11 destroyed), and I can tell you a lot about how these things are framed. Not that it's not patently obvious. This was not one of those. Quite the contrary.
Lupercal, what did Mubarak do in opposition towards Israel's aggressive intentions towards Gaza?
I think that nexus is the key to understanding this thing. Should probably read the Israeli press right now, as well.
WTF Murdoch in Australia didn't start saying any of that stuff you reckon he said till the rest of us had been banging on about govt paid protesters etc, security dudes being busted with their security IDs in plain clothes doing shit etc etc. Most people in Australia, which right now is dominated by Murdoch in a way it wasn't 2 years ago, don't know half of the stuff thats happened in Egypt and only started going on about the peaceful protesters in the last few days. FFS For the first week it was all violent protesters trashing the joint and no one had a clue what was going on.
I'll tell you how things were framed then, at Melb a year later (till 9/11 damaged it I agree), at Richmond High in 93, at AIDEX or Pine Gap in the 80s and early 90s or any number of places. The people working for the "CIA" or the "Govt" basically the provacateurs did the damage and blamed the protesters. they tried that in Egypt and got busted.
What did Mubarak do wrt to Gaza?
Shut the tunnels, closed the borders and did sweet FA to help the people of Gaza.
So fucking nothing.
There you have it, I can sit after smoking weed that would probably kill you, drinking home made rum that certainly would and still keep it together enough to show this CIA inspired revolution bullshit to be bullshit.
You want to stop the CIA?
Support the people on the street in Egypt. (Whenever you hear someone touted as a leader of the movement, then its some western dickhead pushing it.)
Remember there are no leaders to this movement, there is an entire nation making a series of demands one of which has been met. They have no leaders now cos they are waiting for a free and fair election to choose them.
Anyway I'm going to bed.
