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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:13 pm

slimmouse » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:34 pm wrote: :whisper: "you do know thats complete and utter BS dont you.........please?"


I don't think he does
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:30 pm

American Dream » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:28 pm wrote:Hmm, not sure that the drugs really helped him:

Canadian author Heather Pringle has placed Graham Hancock within a particular pseudo-intellectual tradition going back at least to Heinrich Himmler's infamous research institute, the Ahnenerbe. She specifically links Hancock's book Fingerprints of the Gods to the work of Nazi archaeologist Edmund Kiss, a man described by mainstream scientists of the time as a 'complete idiot'.[8]

In Hancock's book Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith,[9] co-authored with Robert Bauval, the two put forward "a version of the old Jewish-Masonic plot so beloved by ultra-right-wing conspiracy theorists."[10] They suggest a connection between the pillars of Solomon's Temple and the Twin Towers, and between the Star of David and The Pentagon.[11] A contemporary review of Talisman by David V. Barrett for The Independent pointed to a lack of originality as well as basic factual errors, concluding that it was "a mish-mash of badly-connected, half-argued theories".[12] In a 2008 piece for The Telegraph referencing Talisman, Damian Thompson described Hancock and Bauval as fantasists.[13]


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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby KUAN » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:03 pm

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OK so Göbekli Tepe pushes the origins of civilisation back to perhaps the 10th – 8th millennium BCE. Add another millennium as a margin of error and that's as far as it goes. I'm not fucking budging
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:30 pm

who the hell is Heather Pringle?

and why should I give a fuck what she thinks about anything?
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:46 pm

I was expecting to find that excerpt under a section titled "Criticism" or something, but nope it's right there in the main body of text. Wikipedia is such a joke.
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby backtoiam » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:27 am

seemslikeadream » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:30 pm wrote:
American Dream » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:28 pm wrote:Hmm, not sure that the drugs really helped him:

Canadian author Heather Pringle has placed Graham Hancock within a particular pseudo-intellectual tradition going back at least to Heinrich Himmler's infamous research institute, the Ahnenerbe. She specifically links Hancock's book Fingerprints of the Gods to the work of Nazi archaeologist Edmund Kiss, a man described by mainstream scientists of the time as a 'complete idiot'.[8]

In Hancock's book Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith,[9] co-authored with Robert Bauval, the two put forward "a version of the old Jewish-Masonic plot so beloved by ultra-right-wing conspiracy theorists."[10] They suggest a connection between the pillars of Solomon's Temple and the Twin Towers, and between the Star of David and The Pentagon.[11] A contemporary review of Talisman by David V. Barrett for The Independent pointed to a lack of originality as well as basic factual errors, concluding that it was "a mish-mash of badly-connected, half-argued theories".[12] In a 2008 piece for The Telegraph referencing Talisman, Damian Thompson described Hancock and Bauval as fantasists.[13]


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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:17 am

It's a shame you guys aren't better able to defend Graham Hancock.
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:21 am

brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:17 am wrote:It's a shame you guys aren't better able to defend Graham Hancock.



defend him from what ...a "science" "journalist" that wrote a "book"?



what a waste of time...who fucking cares what she thinks ...defend her if you want
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:31 am

It is just more American Dream associational shit stirring employing his
"Six Degrees of Anti-Semitism" methodology cos... NAZIS!

Meanwhile, here is some entertainment
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:45 am

Heather Pringle

I wrote a book about Nazis....I am an expert on everything! Thank you AD for pointing that out :lovehearts: :lovehearts:

and special thanks to brainpanhandler for chiming in :hug1: you're just a peach in a pinch with all your wordy words...because as we all know the number of words and how big they are is of utmost importance



Summary: The Master Plan is meticulously researched, interesting, well-written and accessible. In conclusion, however, Pringle seems to advocate retribution over building for the future and the book lacks even a nod toward thinking about how politics should deal with current scientific research on biological determinism. One for the WWII scholar perhaps, but it has little to add for the rest of us.
http://www.thebookbag.co.uk/reviews/ind ... er_Pringle
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:04 am

TED Can Hold a Grudge: New Graham Hancock TEDx Talk Pasted with Disclaimer About 'Counterfactual Assertions'
Posted by Greg at 02:09, 05 Aug 2016
Disclaimer on TEDx Talk by Graham Hancock
Just over three years ago, TED took the extraordinary step of removing videos of TEDx presentations by 'alternative history researcher' Graham Hancock and 'maverick biologist' Rupert Sheldrake. This move met with a mountain of opposition, as TED seemed to be censoring certain ideas that challenged the orthodox worldview - and they only inflamed the situation further when they offered bogus reasoning for doing so.

This view - that TED was censoring ideas that challenged the current scientific and historical paradigm - only seemed more likely when, just a month later, they removed the licence of TEDxWestHollywood, with a theme named "Brother can you spare a paradigm", just a couple of weeks before the event was scheduled to take place.

Fast forward to 2016, and the more things change, the more they stay the same. A video posted to YouTube of Graham Hancock giving a talk at TEDxReading (in March this year) - titled "Is the house of history built on foundations of sand?" - has been pasted with the annotation seen above across the centre of the screen: "This talk, which was filmed at an independent TEDx event, falls outside TEDx's curatorial guidelines. Read more below."

And here's what the 'read more below' is:

NOTE from TED: Please be aware that this talk contains outdated and counterfactual assertions, and should not be understood as a representation of modern scholarship on ancient civilizations.

If ancient civilizations interest you, TEDx Talks contain many fascinating and well-researched talks such as:

Sarah Parcak's talk on space arachaeology at TEDxYale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GKzs...

Leslie van Gelder's talk on cave art at TEDxQueenstown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYGPc...

Sarah Kenderdine's talk on museums of the future at TEDxGateway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXhtw...

Here's the video for those interested in watching. Happily, the silly placard over the video can be removed rather simply by clicking on the settings button, and turning off 'annotations':


Graham Hancock has responded on his Facebook page to this latest TED controversy, noting his surprise at what has happened, as he had taken great care this time not to provide TED with any ammunition for another video deletion:

I was very careful with this talk. Indeed I did something I've never done before which was to read it to make sure no slip of the tongue, or over-running of the extremely limited time allocated, could be used by TED to delete it from Youtube as they did with my last one.

I don't like reading talks from a carefully pre-prepared script, but having done so in this single case I am quite certain that the ideas I present are NOT "outdated and counter-factual" as TED allege and I challenge them to provide evidence to support this smear.

Hancock says this latest move has solidified the idea to him that "TED is a tool of the dominator society that seeks to keep us all asleep, and that believes itself to be the fount and guardian of all legitimate knowledge".

http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-Histor ... imer-About


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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby km artlu » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:34 am

"pre-prepared"?
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby slimmouse » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:57 pm

I was initially inspired into looking at the now almost certain existence of an advanced civilisation destroyed by Cataclysm, having seen the John Anthony West series entitled "Magical Egypt" - must see stuff.

Graham Hancock is taking this whole debate up a level. What he doesnt know about this stuff really isnt worth knowing. He's not a scientist, or archeologist, or whatever pseudo they wish to attatch to him. He's a messenger or scribe for such people - the honest ones that is.
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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby cptmarginal » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:26 pm

I've just finished plowing through Magicians of the Gods and was satisfied with the experience. I remain very much unconvinced regarding "precessional numbers" being encoded in the various architectural features of ancient sites, at least in the examples given. I suppose that Hamlet's Mill needs to be added to my reading list in order to help clear that up. It was refreshing that Hancock admitted right up front that it was a mistake to rely on the theories of Charles Hapgood in his earlier work.

It seems to me that a lot of the things we can learn about the past from sites like those in Turkey or elsewhere do not fit into the categories that this book is overly focused on. That is to say, there does seem to have been a comet impact that ended the last Ice Age; that much seems clear to me. But going beyond that there are a whole boatload of implications and considerations regarding ancient societies and our own perceived place in relation to them that are barely even touched upon in Hancock's book. Maybe that's why, out of his previous books, I enjoyed Underworld more than Fingerprints of the Gods. It had a lot more focus on the gritty details and less airy speculation, IIRC.

A book entirely about Gunung Padang would be of more interest to me, but I suppose that's why Hancock's work is still valuable. He is one of the few who writes at all about such topics with an open mind. It's no problem for me to accept that Gunung Padang is exceedingly old and of great interest, but that should be a starting point more than anything. Even without further excavations in search of ephemeral proofs (which I definitely am still in favor of) there's a ton of work that could be done in the areas of historical and sociological research.

Still waiting for an affordable copy of Gordon White's Star.Ships to help take my thinking further :)

A defining text of the new magical renaissance, Star.Ships addresses the question of who we are now by tracing where we come from, and by drawing out the stories and the spirits that have journeyed and evolved with us. The goal is, as Gordon writes, the restoration of context.

To this end, White applies his globally-recognised data and demographics skills to realise a groundbreaking work of truly interdisciplinary research. Utilising mythological, linguistic and astronomical data to reconstruct palaeolithic magical beliefs, he maps them to the human journey out of Africa; explores which aspects of these beliefs and practices have survived into the Western tradition; and what the implications (and applications) of those survivals may be for us.

Written for a magically literate and operative audience, Star.Ships displays the flair, wit and engagement with evidence that adherents of his runesoup blog have come to expect from Gordon. He deftly handles vast time scales and cosmologies to build his case; avoids the pitfalls of alternative historians with a refreshing absence of dogma or wishful thinking; and, in a masterful deployment of the latest research, simultaneously questions outworn dominant narratives and is not afraid to champion the work of independent researchers and entertain forbidden discourses. It is exactly what chaos magic should be.

Göbekli Tepe, the Pyramids and Sphinx, Nabta Playa, Gunung Padang, Easter Island and Sundaland are some of the points spangled across a work of truly cosmic scope. Star.Ships beckons those who are willing to engage in the adventure to follow the great river of history that flows into and out of an ocean of stars. Minds will be blown.


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Re: Graham Hancock

Postby cptmarginal » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:16 pm

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017 ... bc-wiping/

Scientists have speculated for decades that a comet could be behind the sudden fall in temperature during a period known as the Younger Dryas. But recently the theory appeared to have been debunked by new dating of meteor craters in North America where the comet is thought to have struck.

However, when engineers studied animal carvings made on a pillar – known as the vulture stone – at Gobekli Tepe they discovered that the creatures were actually astronomical symbols which represented constellations and the comet.

The idea had been originally put forward by author Graham Hancock in his book Magicians of the Gods.


Here: http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/fil ... _final.pdf
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