How did you get here, to a RI view of the world?

[Wombaticus Rex]

I thought RI was about CIA covert ops. Not the UFO bullshit.

You thought that when? 2005?

[Jeff]

I really hope that there isn't any single "RI view of the world" — because I think there are quite a number of different (and sometimes even seemingly "contradictory") points of view that are all about QUESTIONING what is supposedly "real" and who is supposedly "real."

And when a person begins seriously questioning his/her so-called "given" worldview (including ones most "sacred" and cherished beliefs!), that person suddenly has an opportunity (perhaps even for the first time) to become a real individual.

Before that, we remain simple analogs of the herd.

Beautiful, Simulist. (And good to see you again.)

[Simulist]

Thanks, Jeff. It's good to see you too — and this fine place.

[8bitagent]

Here's a question...for those around in 2004, and then when the forum on .ca began in 2005(or just, those around in 2004-2006)

- How have your views changed?

- What do you think are some of the biggest things that came out of the blog or forums for you, or milestone events on this forum?

- What have people's opinions been after you showed them the RI blog?

- How have people's writings/experiences on the forum(or even Jeff's writings) helped shape your own writings or goals?

Now someone mentioned the "RI type awakening" happened when they researched the civil rights era. Ain't that the truth. I can't see how ANY researcher or historian of the civil rights and before period CAN'T have a "conspiracy" mind and not have taken the proverbial red pill. Hoover, FBI, Vietnam era policy, MK ultra, cointelpro, etc.

Also this hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread, but the whole music, avant garde art scene, literature, zines, concerts, boing boing, indie scene culture of the 60's through 90's to present. Even comic books and film. Many people on here ALSO have a deep interest in this stuff on here besides parapolitics

Which reminds me, new doc out a lot of you would love



Ive discovered or rekindled my love for a lot of films, filmmakers, bands/albums, documentaries, specific city scenes and periods, etc from y'all here.
Bands like Arcade Fire, Snog, Neubauten, The Knife, etc would be really appreciated by some on here.

And I hate to bring the one to bring it up, but the Duncan/Blake scene which blurred the meta lines of RI posting. That was the event that brought me to the forums, made all the more personal from how they dovetailed with parapolitical culture online and within the NYC scene.

[Stephen Morgan]

I thought RI was about CIA covert ops. Not the UFO bullshit.

I am a collector of notes upon subjects that have diversity--such as deviations from concentricity in the lunar crater Copernicus, and a sudden appearance of purple Englishmen--stationary meteor radiants, and a reported growth of hair on the bald head of a mummy--and "Did the girl swallow the octopus?"

But my liveliest interest is not so much in things, as in relations of things. I have spent much time thinking about the alleged pseudo-relations that are called coincidences. What if some of them should not be coincidence?
-- Fort

[Hammer of Los]

I've always had pretty much the same mindset that I've got now, or at least have had for as long as I can remember. So I don't know. Don't have any tales of awakening, or anything.

Yes, but we've been ruled by mad kings and queens for years, with lunatic pretensions of divine right, and a penchant for enriching themselves through foreign wars and control of global trade. So I think we tend to be a bit more cynical than the average US American.

I think Rense linked to Jeff's 911 coincidence theory guide. I know I shouldn't admit to ever having read Rense, but there you go.

I suppose now I have to say why I was reading Rense. A quick search for information on UFO's available on the internet in the '90's led straight to Jeff Rense, and from there straight onto black helicopters, bill cooper and all the rest of it. I considered it a veritable mountain of craziness and dis and misinformation of every stripe. Also back then Rense seemed to cover the anti corporate globalisation movement with a great deal of support and sympathy, which I shared. Rense would always publish articles by John Pilger. I used to read Znet and Indymedia back then too.

I was a big fan of Jeff's blog, and later this lovely forum, which I read probably almost daily for years before getting the courage to register and post.

I have been reading here for eight years maybe. It's been a long time.

[Stephen Morgan]

I've always had pretty much the same mindset that I've got now, or at least have had for as long as I can remember. So I don't know. Don't have any tales of awakening, or anything.

Yes, but we've been ruled by mad kings and queens for years, with lunatic pretensions of divine right, and a penchant for enriching themselves through foreign wars and control of global trade. So I think we tend to be a bit more cynical than the average US American.

Probably more to do with the tories, those evil swine. Born during the last miner's strike and therefore growing up entirely under total tory rule. Then New Labour. I tell you, it's a wonder I never went on a killing spree then turned the gun on myself. But luckily this country has effective gun control laws.

I think Rense linked to Jeff's 911 coincidence theory guide. I know I shouldn't admit to ever having read Rense, but there you go.

I used to read Rense, too. There weren't many sights with regular UFO and conspiracy news.

I suppose now I have to say why I was reading Rense. A quick search for information on UFO's available on the internet in the '90's led straight to Jeff Rense, and from there straight onto black helicopters, bill cooper and all the rest of it. I considered it a veritable mountain of craziness and dis and misinformation of every stripe. Also back then Rense seemed to cover the anti corporate globalisation movement with a great deal of support and sympathy, which I shared. Rense would always publish articles by John Pilger. I used to read Znet and Indymedia back then too.

Similar for me, although I was a bit more open minded about black helicopters and so forth. And I wasn't so much into Pilger back then.

I was a big fan of Jeff's blog, and later this lovely forum, which I read probably almost daily for years before getting the courage to register and post.

I have been reading here for eight years maybe. It's been a long time.

Beat me. I didn't get here until about 2005/6 time. Reading back issues of Saucer Smear! on the internet, googled something along the lines of "James Randi pervert", found the rigint blog.

[Hammer of Los]

The events of 9/11 also made me extremely suspicious from the moment that the towers fell. I don’t want to belabor what is obvious to most of the posters on this board, but in brief the complete absence of air defenses, the war games, the multiple specific warnings that we were given, and the fact the several people in government did not fly on Sep 10 or 11, and then how we had lists of names of supposed highjackers so quickly when we supposedly caught so totally off guard simply did not make sense to me.

Ditto. When I saw that plane hit the tower on live tv my spider sense was going crazy. Believe it or not, I said as the plane hit the tower, "Bye bye Afghanistan." I knew immediately that what I was seeing was a false flag justification for a war(s) they had been planning. I swear to God.

Then the whole 9/11 thing happened, which was a no-brainer to me. It destroyed the energy of the anti-capitalist-globalization movement, of which I was a part.

I've always thought thats really what was (a big part of) what sept 11 2001 was all about - killing the antiglobalisation movement, that really was a globalisation movement in its own way. It was just a people's globalisation vs a corporate one. They seem to have won the first round. Its not over yet tho.

Jesus Joe, I've thought it, but never dared say it.

The Whole Seattle 99/anti WTO-IMF-World Bank-Globalization/workers rights thing was at a *fever* pitch in 1999-summer of 2001. That's why Rage Against the Machine played in front of the DNC, protesting the Democrats. In 2000 BOTH Dems and Repubs were seen as the enemy...one could call this time a pure "anti NWO" attitude from a leftist perspective. Then Sept 11th hit, and the whole thing collapsed. You kind of saw it brought back with the 2004 deluge of documentaries and anti Bush awareness, but so much of the focus was purely on the Iraq war it felt like.

Damn right. God bless all of you, especially Wintler2. I think we all agree on the above. Whoopdedoo.

Thanks to the RI community of like-minded souls for showing the Heart of Goodness and sharing the Truth of Light!!!

Amen!

I think I've said this before here in broad outline. Maybe I'll go into a bit more detail this time. This needs editing and proof reading due to too much Newcastle Brown, but it is late already..

I followed Jeff's Coincidence Theorist's guide to RI and have been here every since.

Wow DrVolin, just wow, I would have liked to have quoted your entire post. I'll second you on the strategy and tactics and tolkien and jethro tell, yes sabbath and lovecraft and crowley too. What a fascinating and smart individual you are. But don't you like Yes and d&d too?

More of a languishing lurker than a posting participant, I’ve been scanning this site since a sympathetic cyberfriend suggested it some years ago as a watering hole for those weird but wise wanderers of the byways and unbeaten paths to intuitive insight and enlightenment..

That is why, seeking surcease and support, the jungle paths lead the curious here. Welcome.

peartreed

What a fascinating and well written account. I found it very moving, actually.

Raised in a lower middle class Irish Roman Catholic family.

Me too! But on Merseyside.

Surprisingly, this is one of the most enjoyable threads in ages. So thanks Gashweir, for all the memmories being dredged up.

The facetious answer is that a link first brought me to RI, and I keep coming back because sometimes, just sometimes, the simplest, most elegant explanation is unthinkable.

I was probably nine when we filed into the church which was actually built into my little C of E school and the priest began his weekly sermon thusly:

“Can anyone guess who I’m talking about? He is a man who lived for peace. He is a man who spoke of love. He saw the poor, the destitute, and the miserable and he gave them hope. He died for us, with love. And his song is with us, will always be with us.”

Something like that.

And for once I knew the answer. So, up shot my little hand, attracting the hitherto unsought attention of father whatshisface. The pitiless, magnified eyes slowly, and, I thought, somewhat wearily, triangulated upon me.

“Yeeesss?”

“Sir, it’s John Lennon sir!”..

The war came, despite it's injustice, and from that point forward, there was no going back. I began to question, everything.

Thanks for the fascinating stories, Harvey.

But when I see so much evil in the world, especially of the more symbolic kind like 9/11, I begin to wonder if maybe Crowley, Dee and Blavatsky weren't simply hucksters. Especially after reading most of Jeff's blogs, not much more one can conclude or take away as a whole. There has to me more to organized evil than incompetent greed and wanting oil fields...just too many damn coincidences (back of the dollar bill, street layout of DC, specific numbers, symbolic buildings, etc).

Crowley highly disreputable, John Dee I couldn't say, but do we really want to paint Madam Helena P Blavatsky as what, channelling evil aliens/spiritual beings? Allowing evil onto this plane? Blavatsky was a very humanitarian woman, even if she did display many weaknesses and much ignorance.

That stuff scared the crap out of me, another reason I backpeddled from wanting to "expand my mind" and deep state research...I never imagined the deep chasm of horror that was the subject of child abuse and links to the deep state or conspiracies. Knowing about Franklin and all the other stuff, just really unsettling and to me takes "conspiracies" and coverups to a whole other dimension of evil.

Too scary man. As a parent I run a mile from that material. It's no wonder I'm fearful and paranoid.

[Hammer of Los]

I was thinking of Rense again;

Rense was a springboard to an enormous variety of information, suppressed because it was hate material, or because it was lunatic craziness, or because it was uncovering the lies of our politicians, or the lies of our priests, all the cover-ups and conspiracies. A fearless Fortean approach, some would say. Rense's own "beliefs" if you like, one can only guess at. He could well be a disinfo plant. But I sometimes think, if that is so, the actual effect might be to force people to think and judge for themselves, and to introduce them to materials they might never otherwise come across (Pilger articles, articles against corporate globalisation) will be counterproductive to their cause.

In other words, if the information controllers are indeed using Rense (et al) as a controlled disinfo source, they may yet be hoist by their own petard. Perhaps they have no faith in the common man's ability to discern the truth. More likely, the truth doesn't come into it, its all national security objectives, mostly the ongoing requirements of cover ups and conspiracies.

[NeonLX]

...I was 'Al-CIAda' over there...

AHAHAHA! So YOU were the one I cribbed it from!

I still use it to this day whenever I refer to "that organization".

[seemslikeadream]

RI....island of the misfit DUer's

[yathrib]

I've always been interested in, shall we say, non standard ways of viewing the world. But what made the difference to me was watching the night and fog that descended on the American scene in the wake of 9/11, and then gaping in horror and disbelief at the inexorable march to a war (Iraq) that on the most cursory examination made no sense if taken at face value. Also to a lesser degree a stolen election that nobody could be bothered to give a &&&& about.

[DrVolin]

But don't you like Yes and d&d too?

Yes to Yes, of course. And I spent a LOT of time playing D&D, Traveller, and Call of Chtullhu. Eventually, as most serious gaming groups do, we ended up with a good in house system. Ours was based on Role Master, with a D&D theme, a Lord of the Rings geography and ethnograhy, and a Lovecraftian atmosphere of foreboding and helplessness.

[beeline]

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I'd say I always had a fairly suspicious view of the government. I was born the year Nixon resigned, and I can remember my dad saying what a fink Nixon was when I was four or five. My mom was heavily into the anti-nuke movement of the 1980s, and I read the Pentagon Papers when I was 12 or so. We had our mail opened because of her activities, and I'm fairly certain I spotted some sort of surveillance team keeping tabs on us one time when I was 15 or 16. I was always coming up with theories on my own, for instance I believe the CIA had a hand in Bob Marley's 'foot cancer.' They don't take kindly to people fomenting rebellion in the Carribean, and there were previous assaination attempts. Oliver Stone's JFK blew me away. So my one friend, knowing all of this about me, forwarded me the link to Jeff's blog, probably in about '05 or '06. I read basically all of that, then came to the board. I'm not as smart as most of the people here, but that doesn't stop me from posting. Life's too short to be intimidated by intellectual superiors.

[blanc]

r.a. This was the first site which I found apart from either survivor sites or debunkers sites and here there seemed to be people who acknowledge the existence of organised abuse as part of a spectrum of political machinations. I stuck around trying to fill in some of the gaps in my own story and hoping to be another voice chiming in for survivors and victims, and often just reading.