Huge explosion in Oslo

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:02 pm

6.40pm: Police are saying they believe the person(s) responsible for the bomb to be foreign, according to the BBC.

But the attacker in Utoya, now arrested, looked Norwegian, NRK reports (thanks to @Pb1231 for the link)

Witnesses who have managed to escape from the island, says to NRK reporters on the spot that the perpetrator had a Norwegian look. He should be between 185 to 190 cm tall and have blond hair.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... e-coverage


18.56 Rune Håkonsen, Tweets that the shooter at Utoya tried to lure the youths to him before he began shooting. Courtesy of Radio P1 speaking to eyewitnesses. He also says TV2 is reporting that the arrested man called the police before the arrest.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... erage.html
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Alfred Joe's Boy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:07 pm

From the comments at Cryptogon http://cryptogon.com/?p=23677#comments

rotger Says:
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

As for mos terrorist bombing, I am incline to think that the western powers are behing this.

Someone posted a link on another blog that might be a first clue in understanding all of this:

“Scandinavians launch probes into US spying activities – Nov 9, 2010

“Norway, Sweden and Denmark have launched official investigations into media reports that accuse US embassies in Scandinavian countries of operating illegal intelligence gathering networks. The issue first emerged last Wednesday, when a report by Norway’s TV2 channel alleged that the US embassy in Oslo maintained a network of around 20 local former police and intelligence officers, who were conducting “illegal systematic surveillance of Norwegian citizens”.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby sergeant stiletto » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:09 pm

12#4 wrote:So with skill the posters so far have shown there are now multiple subplots in this tragedy. I will attempt to recap my understanding without citation, possibly as placeholder for a more rigourous timeline:

-Explosions kill 2 and injure 15. Targets a government district near PM's office, Ministry of Finance, Oil & Gas Ministry. Source
-Explosions follow within 4 days of announcement of Norweigan government support for Palestian statehood. viewtopic.php?p=415050#p415050
-Explosions follow over a week after of announcement of charges against founder of Kurdish group Ansar al-Islam and just over a year after supposed Al-Qaida plot broken up viewtopic.php?p=415062#p415062
-Explosion follows just 3 months after condemnation by Alan Dershowitz in Canadian daily regarding Norway's alleged Pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel stance viewtopic.php?p=415059#p415059
-As with 9/11 and other mysterious attacks stories of confusion and other bizarre incidents, including shootings at a children's camp affiliated with the Labor half ruling coaliton viewtopic.php?p=415079#p415079
-Reportage similar to 9/11 regarding government officials making scheduled appearance changes on the day of the attacks.
-"Unknown group" (the editor must have left out the word previously) with well translated English name Helpers of the Global Jihad cited by UK Guardian as claiming responsibility for the attacks. Source



- Norway set to cut NATO/Libya involvement http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/05/09/ ... volvement/
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Elihu » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:31 pm

"We also assess that any plans for spectacular attacks in Western Europe would probably have been altered or put on hold following bin Laden's death, pending internal security reviews. "

what an incredibly strange statement...


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:33 pm

Elihu wrote:"We also assess that any plans for spectacular attacks in Western Europe would probably have been altered or put on hold following bin Laden's death, pending internal security reviews. "

what an incredibly strange statement...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sible.html




Very telling how that article makes ZERO mention of Norway's support for Palestinian Statehood, and a possible Israeli angle.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:41 pm

22/7/11
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:43 pm

Yes, Nordic, my thoughts exactly.

Norway's role in the Palestinian statehood issue will be completely IGNORED.

Now who might be pissed off about its role?
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:47 pm

A more rigorous approach might be to separate things out a bit. e.g.

12#4 wrote:-Explosions kill 2 and injure 15. Targets a government district near PM's office, Ministry of Finance, Oil & Gas Ministry. Source
-shootings at a children's camp affiliated with the Labor half ruling coaliton viewtopic.php?p=415079#p415079
-government officials making scheduled appearance changes on the day of the attacks.
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Unknown group
with translated English name Helpers of the Global Jihad cited by UK Guardian as claiming responsibility for the attacks. Source


and then again with added opinionising

12#4 wrote:-Explosions follow within 4 days of announcement of Norweigan government support for Palestian statehood. viewtopic.php?p=415050#p415050
-Explosions follow over a week after of announcement of charges against founder of Kurdish group Ansar al-Islam and just over a year after supposed Al-Qaida plot broken up viewtopic.php?p=415062#p415062
-Explosion follows just 3 months after condemnation by Alan Dershowitz in Canadian daily regarding Norway's alleged Pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel stance viewtopic.php?p=415059#p415059
-As with 9/11 and other mysterious attacks stories of confusion and other bizarre incidents, including shootings at a children's camp affiliated with the Labor half ruling coaliton viewtopic.php?p=415079#p415079
-Reportage similar to 9/11 regarding government officials making scheduled appearance changes on the day of the attacks.
-"Unknown group" (the editor must have left out the word previously) with well translated English name Helpers of the Global Jihad cited by UK Guardian as claiming responsibility for the attacks. Source


Not trying to be arsey :P but if I want opinifact* I'll watch the mainstream media.



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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:48 pm

The gunman according to witnesses said: "This is just the beginning"

Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility: “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.”
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:08 pm

Harvey wrote:The gunman according to witnesses said: "This is just the beginning"

Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility: “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.”



"Helpers of the Global Jihad". Which means THESE GUYS:

http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.co ... tures.html

Look no further.

And hey OMH - the date - Kind of a major giveaway, no?

22/7/11
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 12#4 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:10 pm

Occult Means Hidden wrote:22/7/11


This wasn't lost on me when I was served the below ad as I mentioned in my first post in this thread:

An aside, I was served a creepy, Baphomet-inspired ad for tourism while reading an online paper's breaking news about this event. Probably SOP for an occult, doubleday event such as the one under discussion-- recall 7/7 bus advertising if I remember correctly.


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I don't recall any such syncronistic feeling on 9/11/01 or 7/7/2005 when I went to online sources immediately after learning of the attacks. Online advertising was likely much less of a creeptech then.

@GH:

Thanks for the tip on the timeline and the OP. It's also been opined that none of the mainstream media will present the fact of Norway supporting Palestinian statehood in the context of this attack. I should use less MSM reporter-like language in my posts but all points in my timeline were sourced by the posters and I don't see any form of opinionising there.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:13 pm

sergeant stiletto wrote:Why pussy foot around the subject:


http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/19/ ... e-in-oslo/

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been in Oslo this week, where he launched a new drive towards statehood by signing an agreement with Norway that upgrades the Palestinians’ representative office in Oslo to an embassy. Norway remained non-committal, though, towards formally recognizing a new Palestinian state in the United Nations.

Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, who has long been active in efforts to resolve the ongoing conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis over territory, signed the embassy agreement with Abbas. He supports the Palestinians’ right to seek recognition from the UN and disagrees with opposition politicians in Norway who claim Abbas’ latest initiative will hinder further negotiations with the Israelis.



http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/19/støre-urges-more-aid-for-palestinians/




Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre warns that the Palestinians face a serious economic crisis because of a lack of financial support for the Palestinian authorities. He urged donor nations to make an extra contribution, especially those in neighboring and Arabic countries.

Norway heads the group of countries that meets regularly to coordinate financial aid for the Palestinians.


It's just more of the same...



I'm getting a "page doesn't exist" for both those links now.

Googling this phrase (warns that the Palestinians face a serious economic crisis because of a lack of financial support for the Palestinian authorities), it's supposedly at this link, too:

http://norwaypost.no/news/norway-warns- ... 25471.html

And I'm getting a "page failed to open" on that.

It's supposedly here:

http://www.newsinenglish.no/tag/palestine/

I'm getting "page doesn't exist" (all of these from TWITTER for some godawful reason)



Talks like a duck, walks like a duck ....

quack fucking quack

Ha. If I change the google to "Norway Palestine State"

I get this racist Pro-Israeli scribe:

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/20/the- ... of-norway/

The infamous Norwegian Vidkun Quisling, who assisted Nazi Germany as it conquered his own country, must be applauding in his grave.

In the latest example of Norwegian collaboration with the enemies of the Jews, Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere declared during a press conference this week, alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, that “Norway believes it is perfectly legitimate for the Palestinian president to turn to the United Nations” to seek recognition of an independent Palestinian state.

Despite Abbas’s decision to throw his lot in with the Hamas terrorists as part of some sort of “unity” government, Stoere signed an agreement with Abbas on upgrading Palestinian representation in Norway. Under the agreement, which effectively rewards Abbas for joining forces with Hamas, the Palestinian representative will have the full diplomatic rank of ambassador.

The foreign minister of Norway, which chairs a group of Palestinian donor nations, also used the occasion to hold the tin cup out for Abbas. Foreign Minister Stoere chided those who have decided to hold back on their contributions. “All donors should make an extra effort to support the Palestinians this summer and autumn,” he said.

None of this should come as a surprise. Let’s not forget, for example, that Foreign Minister Stoere is in charge of the same Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in which Socialist Ingrid Fiskaa — who said in April 2008 that she sometimes wished the United Nations would send “precision-guided missiles against selected Israeli targets” — so proudly serves as a state secretary.

During the Nazi occupation of Norway, nearly all Jews were either deported to death camps or fled to Sweden and beyond. Today, Norway is effectively under the occupation of anti-Semitic leftists and radical Muslims, and appears willing to help enable the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel.



I don't want to say "smoking gun" or anything, but c'mon ..........

Imagine if some "Muslim" terrorists had said this kind of thing .....
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:24 pm

Neither here nor there.

It will be 97 years to the day next week when The Great War or WWI began near this region. July 28th, 1914.

As per the the gunman or gunmen dressed as police "arriving" on the island there is also this:

The 10-97 police code means "arrived on the scene"
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:30 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world ... ml?_r=2&hp

...snip....


A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.

...snip...



Is this the same CNA?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 12#4 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:32 pm

For anyone having the same issue as Nordic with Seargent's link.. the Norweigan character ø may be breaker

Source http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/19/støre-urges-more-aid-for-palestinians/

Støre urges more aid for Palestinians
July 19, 2011

Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre warns that the Palestinians face a serious economic crisis because of a lack of financial support for the Palestinian authorities. He urged donor nations to make an extra contribution, especially those in neighboring and Arabic countries.

Norway heads the group of countries that meets regularly to coordinate financial aid for the Palestinians. Donations are running behind by more than USD 150 million this year, meaning that only half of the amount needed for the Palestinian authorities’ budget is likely to be covered.

The shortfall, Støre noted, comes just as economic growth in Gaza is tapering off as well. Revenues from taxes and fees are lower than expected and salaries have been cut in half for public sector workers. That may set off more unrest.

Støre said the need for more financial support will be “acute” throughout the autumn. He met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Oslo on Monday, where the two signed an agreement upgrading the Palestinians’ local representative office to an embassy.

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Source http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/19/abbas-launches-new-initiative-in-oslo/



Abbas launches state initiative in Oslo
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been in Oslo this week, where he launched a new drive towards statehood by signing an agreement with Norway that upgrades the Palestinians’ representative office in Oslo to an embassy. Norway remained non-committal, though, towards formally recognizing a new Palestinian state in the United Nations.


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Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Oslo on Monday. PHOTO: Marta B. Haga/Utenriksdepartementet
Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, who has long been active in efforts to resolve the ongoing conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis over territory, signed the embassy agreement with Abbas. He supports the Palestinians’ right to seek recognition from the UN and disagrees with opposition politicians in Norway who claim Abbas’ latest initiative will hinder further negotiations with the Israelis.

Abbas was moving on from Norway to France, Spain and Turkey, where he also planned to establish full-fledged embassies, while other Palestinian representatives are visiting China, India, Vietnam, Australia, new Zealand, Canada, Russia, Bosnia and Portugal with the same errand. Newspaper Aftenposten reported that the initiative that’s begun in Norway is carefully planned to formally acquire broad international support for the Palestinians’ desire and need for their own state. Israel declared its own independent state in 1948 and expanded its territory during the six-day war in 1967.

The conflict remains over borders, not least since Israel continues to expand into disputed areas through its controversial settlements. The Israeli government approved building more than 300 new homes in the disputed West Bank just this week. The Palestinians, themselves split between Abbas’ supporters and Hamas in Gaza, seek full UN recognition of a Palestinian state within the borders prior to the war in 1967, including the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The US, Israel’s biggest supporter for decades, also believes in principle that the borders from 1967 should be the starting point for establishment of a Palestinian state, but it also recognizes the current realities in the area. They include the roughly 500,000 Israeli settlers in East Jerusalem and the West Bank who aren’t willing to give up their claims to the land, even though many foreign government regard them as illegal occupants of Palestinian territory.

Støre stressed that Norway believes a solution for the Palestinians must be based on negotiations, but told reporters on Monday that it’s “completely legitimate” for the Palestinians to request clarification from the UN. Since full membership in the UN requires approval of the UN Security Council, where the US or another country may exercise its veto power, the Palestinians could also request recognition in the UN General Assembly without seeking full UN membership.

‘Symbolic politics’
Opposition politicians in Norway claim Støre’s support for the Palestinians’ UN initiative can further hurt the chance of negotiations with the Israelis. “I hope the foreign minister makes it clear that this is symbolic politics,” Morten Høglund of the conservative Progress Party told Aftenposten.no. “Peace in the Middle East needs to be found in another way.”

Høglund met with Abbas on Monday, however, along with the rest of the Parliament’s foreign relations committee. So did other skeptics from the Christian Democrats and the Conservative parties, with the latter suggesting that Norway should wait for a resolution in the UN before making moves to recognize a Palestinian state. Dagfinn Høybråten of the Christian Democrats claimed the left-center government of which Støre is a member has changed course. ”And we don’t think that will advance a solution,” Høybråten said.

Bård Vegard Solhjell of the Socialist Left party (SV), a member of the government coalition, noted, though, that “since it’s been impossible to get Israel to go along with the most simple things, like stopping the ongoing settlements or coming to the negotiating table, it’s necessary to put more power behind the (Palestinians’) demands.”

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