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Joe Hillshoist wrote:8bitagent wrote:A similar film to Kill List, which also has some wtf brutal scenes out of nowhere, is the Australian crime drama "Snowtown" which I think is now on dvd.
That is a true story btw, well ... there's a town called snowtown and a whole lot of bodies turned up in vats there.
Wikipedia says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowtown_murders
And given its South Australia there is a hsitory of weird criminal murder thingees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Murders
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My Dinner with Andre
nashvillebrook wrote:Why do we keep feeding kids into meat grinders, metaphorically and IRL? It's a simple little trope that Whedon deploys, but he's not interested in the metaphor...he's interested in the meta-discussion. Rather than manipulating the audience, Whedon seeks to expose the manipulation.
Rarely does anyone bother to ask why our culture resonates with fetishized violent retribution for sex and/or freethinking. It's never pointed out that using this bloody awful theme so often, and so rigidly proves that it's gone beyond narrative storytelling. It's fucking ritual. Whedon is suggesting that it's as-if we're appeasing The Ancient Ones. I wonder, at what point is there a difference btwn appeasing gods and appeasing billionaires.
You want a connection to RigInt? Men in control rooms making people die for reasons we can't understand, and won't ever be given the opportunity to understand. They watch monitors and finger controls that rain death down on people halfway around the world, and then go home to weekend BBQs, office pools and NBA playoffs. Oh, and btw, those men in control rooms manipulating drones are already here in the US. It's as dystopically clean and twisted as it gets. And what's even more dystopic is that nobody is asking what these men are doing, or why they are doing it. We're supposed to play along...nevermind The Harbinger. Nevermind the crack in the matrix.
At one time in history the global killing game at least gave the pretense of being a "real war." Not anymore. GWOT changed that. The mask is off. Count me as fully on board with the notion that the global killing game at this point in time (bug splat) resembles ritual way more than any sort of geo-political strategy. So, Whedon is on point...he burned down the temple of bullshit.
If Hollywood movies are too bourgeois a medium to ask questions about men in control rooms killing kids, what then would be a more acceptable medium? Essays? Novels? Internet forums? Why the inherent contempt for *popular* subversion? If it's popular it can't be saying anything important, right? Only film with limited distribution can possibly have anything relevant to offer.
Actually...now that I think about it, i like it better this way. Better that popular subversion isn't given credit for being subversive. That would subvert its subversion. So, HushNothing to see here.
8bitagent wrote:
I have this romantic notion of Australia being this certain way(as an American) but then I realize it has its backwoods deep south places too
nashvillebrook wrote:Why do we keep feeding kids into meat grinders, metaphorically and IRL? It's a simple little trope that Whedon deploys, but he's not interested in the metaphor...he's interested in the meta-discussion. Rather than manipulating the audience, Whedon seeks to expose the manipulation.
Rarely does anyone bother to ask why our culture resonates with fetishized violent retribution for sex and/or freethinking. It's never pointed out that using this bloody awful theme so often, and so rigidly proves that it's gone beyond narrative storytelling. It's fucking ritual. Whedon is suggesting that it's as-if we're appeasing The Ancient Ones. I wonder, at what point is there a difference btwn appeasing gods and appeasing billionaires.
You want a connection to RigInt? Men in control rooms making people die for reasons we can't understand, and won't ever be given the opportunity to understand. They watch monitors and finger controls that rain death down on people halfway around the world, and then go home to weekend BBQs, office pools and NBA playoffs. Oh, and btw, those men in control rooms manipulating drones are already here in the US. It's as dystopically clean and twisted as it gets. And what's even more dystopic is that nobody is asking what these men are doing, or why they are doing it. We're supposed to play along...nevermind The Harbinger. Nevermind the crack in the matrix.
At one time in history the global killing game at least gave the pretense of being a "real war." Not anymore. GWOT changed that. The mask is off. Count me as fully on board with the notion that the global killing game at this point in time (bug splat) resembles ritual way more than any sort of geo-political strategy. So, Whedon is on point...he burned down the temple of bullshit.
If Hollywood movies are too bourgeois a medium to ask questions about men in control rooms killing kids, what then would be a more acceptable medium? Essays? Novels? Internet forums? Why the inherent contempt for *popular* subversion? If it's popular it can't be saying anything important, right? Only film with limited distribution can possibly have anything relevant to offer.
Actually...now that I think about it, i like it better this way. Better that popular subversion isn't given credit for being subversive. That would subvert its subversion. So, HushNothing to see here.
Joe Hillshoist wrote:Nice one.
Also tho, Cabin In The Woods is the sort of script that a bunch of us from RI could have written, maybe at barcade the other night, if I'd turned up with a bag of my local weed. Well seems that way from the plot details in nash' review. Didn't that used to be one of the underlying premises of this board? That that was how things worked. The powerful sacrificed a portion of the rest of us (including their own possibly) for access to the "power of the old ones".
Nordic wrote:Nashvillebrooks' take on the movie is so wonderful that I don't want to see the movie for fear of being disappointed it won't live up to this assessment.
I have always been disturbed by what I used to call "dead teenager" movies. And this is as good a response to it as I've ever seen.
I've never understood these genres, to me they're just pornography. Gore porn. Yuck.
Joe Hillshoist wrote:8bitagent wrote:
I have this romantic notion of Australia being this certain way(as an American) but then I realize it has its backwoods deep south places too
Adelaide is the third biggest city (maybe 4th or 5th these days).
Tho its pretty backwards. It was settled as a city that was capital of South Australia which was meant to be a colony that followed progressive (for the 1830s) political views and allowed religious freedom and civil liberties. But it also set up for an aristocratic class with the value of land rigged from the outset to favour a "ruling" class. It is probably the creepiest major city in Australia and the one with the most "RIish" vibe in many ways. IE People there use power in a strange way.
Joe Hillshoist wrote: Didn't that used to be one of the underlying premises of this board? That that was how things worked. The powerful sacrificed a portion of the rest of us (including their own possibly) for access to the "power of the old ones".
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