Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby jcivil » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:32 am

Would not The Matrix still hold the Ultimate RI flick title?

Funny thing is, I live far from theaters (in a cabin in the woods) and have three small kids so we only gget videos from the library sometimes. yet if you watch greymarket downloads you get all the crowd reactions, laughter, gasps, etc... it is sort of better than a big screen blueray. Who want to go to the cinema hall these days, no liquor, no dope, no real or good food, and its so expensive to take your kids to a flick with popcorn is a $100 outing. Silly.

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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:16 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
8bitagent wrote:A similar film to Kill List, which also has some wtf brutal scenes out of nowhere, is the Australian crime drama "Snowtown" which I think is now on dvd.



That is a true story btw, well ... there's a town called snowtown and a whole lot of bodies turned up in vats there.

Wikipedia says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowtown_murders

And given its South Australia there is a hsitory of weird criminal murder thingees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Murders


Oh I know! As usual the perps thought they were "the good guys".

I have this romantic notion of Australia being this certain way(as an American) but then I realize it has its backwoods deep south places too
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What's a meta for, anyway?

Postby nashvillebrook » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:44 pm

Why do we keep feeding kids into meat grinders, metaphorically and IRL? It's a simple little trope that Whedon deploys, but he's not interested in the metaphor...he's interested in the meta-discussion. Rather than manipulating the audience, Whedon seeks to expose the manipulation.

Rarely does anyone bother to ask why our culture resonates with fetishized violent retribution for sex and/or freethinking. It's never pointed out that using this bloody awful theme so often, and so rigidly proves that it's gone beyond narrative storytelling. It's fucking ritual. Whedon is suggesting that it's as-if we're appeasing The Ancient Ones. I wonder, at what point is there a difference btwn appeasing gods and appeasing billionaires.

You want a connection to RigInt? Men in control rooms making people die for reasons we can't understand, and won't ever be given the opportunity to understand. They watch monitors and finger controls that rain death down on people halfway around the world, and then go home to weekend BBQs, office pools and NBA playoffs. Oh, and btw, those men in control rooms manipulating drones are already here in the US. It's as dystopically clean and twisted as it gets. And what's even more dystopic is that nobody is asking what these men are doing, or why they are doing it. We're supposed to play along...nevermind The Harbinger. Nevermind the crack in the matrix.

At one time in history the global killing game at least gave the pretense of being a "real war." Not anymore. GWOT changed that. The mask is off. Count me as fully on board with the notion that the global killing game at this point in time (bug splat) resembles ritual way more than any sort of geo-political strategy. So, Whedon is on point...he burned down the temple of bullshit.

If Hollywood movies are too bourgeois a medium to ask questions about men in control rooms killing kids, what then would be a more acceptable medium? Essays? Novels? Internet forums? Why the inherent contempt for *popular* subversion? If it's popular it can't be saying anything important, right? Only film with limited distribution can possibly have anything relevant to offer.

Actually...now that I think about it, i like it better this way. Better that popular subversion isn't given credit for being subversive. That would subvert its subversion. So, Hush :) Nothing to see here.



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Joss Whedon: Genre Slayer


SPOILER WARNING: This review discusses the “twist” premise of The Cabin in the Woods, which is alluded to from the first scene of the movie and laid out fully early on. If you don’t know what it is, and don’t want to, this review is not for you. The review does not, however, reveal the entire plot, who lives / dies, or the ending.


Joss Whedon has destroyed the backwoods cabin slasher flick, forever. It’s gone. There may be other cabin slasher movies made, but none of them will be seen the same way, ever again.

That’s probably a good thing.

Joss Whedon, master of meta-genre, loves to turn familiar sci-fi and horror tropes on their respective heads and give ‘em a good spin, especially the stupider ones. He created Buffy the Vampire Slayer on the premise that the petite blonde girl always screaming and getting torn to shreds in monster movies should turn the tables, and become the thing that monsters fear. Then he put rebel cowboy underdogs in space in Firefly because … well maybe that was just to show it could be done.

Now he’s gone and written a movie that doesn’t just reference a horror genre – the cabin slasher flick – he destroys it. We all know this one. The carload of horny, debauchery-minded kids, driving off into the wilderness for a weekend of beer and pot and campfires and sex. There’s a scary gas station, with a scary attendant, along the way to let them know that Something’s Wrong, but they ignore it to their inevitable doom. From 1980’s Friday the 13th to Wrong Turn in 2003 (coincidentally starring Eliza Dusku of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Dollhouse) our culture is seriously hung up on this idea of young, good-looking people going somewhere they shouldn’t to do things everyone does but isn’t supposed to, and being brutally killed by hideously deformed creatures as a result. It’s about as strict and predictable a genre as we have, and thus overripe for subversion.

Another Whedon collaborator, the amazing Alan Tudyk (Firefly, Dollhouse) starred in one recent takedown of the genre – Tucker and Dale vs. Evil, in which the scary backwoods guys are the victims of crazed, quasi-suicidal college students. It’s hilarious, and terrifying, and you should see it if you haven’t, but it didn’t destroy the cabin slasher forever.

In Cabin in the Woods, Whedon takes the whole damn thing down, exposes it, ridicules it, and tells it to go to hell, with a simple, delicious, subversive premise: The whole cabin is an elaborate set-up. The kids are being lured, trapped, and slaughtered as a sacrifice to the “elder gods” in order for humanity’s powers that be to maintain the status quo. There is a huge subterranean complex, under the cabin, for this purpose, with a fleet of NASA-style workers with ID badges, electric scooters and office equipment, busily monitoring everything to ensure the sacrifice goes well, because if it doesn't, the elder gods will be angry.

And it's not going well.

It’s a beautiful conceit, and it’s a lot of fun watching Whedon, and director Drew Goddard (a writer on both Buffy and its spinoff Angel) spin out the implications.

The premise and feel is a lot like Buffy The Vampire Slayer, particularly the season in which Buffy's college campus turned out to house a secret underground military complex, tasked with capturing and exploiting demons to turn them into weapons. The underground lab full of white coated workers zipping around in carts as part of a high-tech, governmental enterprise secretly engaging the supernatural world will feel very familiar to Whedon's fans.

Acting highlights include The West Wing’s Bradley Whitford as a high-powered Ivy League-style team leader “managing” the cabin in full bureaucratic crisis mode as the planned sacrifice begins to unravel. The scene with the demonic “Harbinger” repeatedly demanding to be taken off speakerphone is emblematic of the film’s comic sense, and fully hilarious. Fran Kranz of Dollhouse is also terrific as he carries most of the load for the doomed campers with his characteristic nerdly fatalism.

As far as acting goes though, it's all sharp and on-target. In undermining the genre he's going after, Whedon makes the jock character reasonable and kind, until he's gassed with some kind of Alpha Male spray. His "dumb, promiscuous" girlfriend is intelligent and well-mannered, until her poisoned blonde hair dye turns her into a crazed, firelight dancing siren. Similarly the stoner's weed is sabotaged to make him stupid. But they missed a bag ...

The special effects are solid, although again, played just a hair on the funny side. Pop-horror references such as The Grudge and Hellraiser abound, and the scene of an endless underground monster dungeon should be fun for fans to check out when the film comes out on Blu-Ray.

Like the picture of the cabin on the promo-poster, with its various hidden levels spinning around, The Cabin in the Woods also goes deeper on further reflection. Its premise is hilarious, but all good humor is based in truth. After the whirlwind of special effects and punch lines fades,this film is really asking what is going on with our culture where we still insist on symbolically murdering archetypal young people -- the athlete, the prostitute, the jester, the virgin – with these endless movies about kids “going off the main road” and being gleefully, savagely dismembered for it. Are we still afraid of the elder gods? Do we make and watch these slasher flicks to warn everyone that the young must not explore too far, or taste too many forbidden fruits, lest they be dismembered with saw blades and garden trowels?

Whatever the answer, any future slasher flicks will now be forever haunted by the idea that they are a setup; a symbolic nod to sacrifice and ancient fears, undercut by the image of Whedon's whispering Harbinger, still waiting to be taken off speakerphone.



Four Stars. One star must be sacrificed to the elder gods.
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:36 pm

jcivil wrote: [...]

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Thanks, jcivil. That's the one. Talking, eating and drinking with friends, while discussing intense pleasures and severe pains and extreme strangenesses that sometimes make your foie gras literally stick in your throat. You go home drunk, but sobered, and not sure if you're happy or not but maybe not caring.

- By the way, Franz Kafka's It's A Wonderful Life is maybe the ultimate RI title, but unfortunately it's a terrible film. What a waste. Kafka himself was much funnier than that (no joke) and a hell of a lot cleverer. Sadly, some very lazy work got hung on a brilliantly funny pub joke. The fact that some very good people were involved in it doesn't make it any less shite, on the contrary. The screenplay is abominable. What a shame.
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Re: What's a meta for, anyway?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:26 am

nashvillebrook wrote:Why do we keep feeding kids into meat grinders, metaphorically and IRL? It's a simple little trope that Whedon deploys, but he's not interested in the metaphor...he's interested in the meta-discussion. Rather than manipulating the audience, Whedon seeks to expose the manipulation.

Rarely does anyone bother to ask why our culture resonates with fetishized violent retribution for sex and/or freethinking. It's never pointed out that using this bloody awful theme so often, and so rigidly proves that it's gone beyond narrative storytelling. It's fucking ritual. Whedon is suggesting that it's as-if we're appeasing The Ancient Ones. I wonder, at what point is there a difference btwn appeasing gods and appeasing billionaires.

You want a connection to RigInt? Men in control rooms making people die for reasons we can't understand, and won't ever be given the opportunity to understand. They watch monitors and finger controls that rain death down on people halfway around the world, and then go home to weekend BBQs, office pools and NBA playoffs. Oh, and btw, those men in control rooms manipulating drones are already here in the US. It's as dystopically clean and twisted as it gets. And what's even more dystopic is that nobody is asking what these men are doing, or why they are doing it. We're supposed to play along...nevermind The Harbinger. Nevermind the crack in the matrix.

At one time in history the global killing game at least gave the pretense of being a "real war." Not anymore. GWOT changed that. The mask is off. Count me as fully on board with the notion that the global killing game at this point in time (bug splat) resembles ritual way more than any sort of geo-political strategy. So, Whedon is on point...he burned down the temple of bullshit.

If Hollywood movies are too bourgeois a medium to ask questions about men in control rooms killing kids, what then would be a more acceptable medium? Essays? Novels? Internet forums? Why the inherent contempt for *popular* subversion? If it's popular it can't be saying anything important, right? Only film with limited distribution can possibly have anything relevant to offer.

Actually...now that I think about it, i like it better this way. Better that popular subversion isn't given credit for being subversive. That would subvert its subversion. So, Hush :) Nothing to see here.



Brilliant! Man you guys are all in top form lately. But yeah spot on.

I know people rolled their eyes when I made this topic, but I really feel for what is considered a silly film, there is a deeper discussion here.

And yeah the analog to drone 'pilots' is spot on. So disconnected.

The drone phenomenon makes me madder than almost anything about this current 'liberal' regime.
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:40 am

Nashvillebrooks' take on the movie is so wonderful that I don't want to see the movie for fear of being disappointed it won't live up to this assessment.

I have always been disturbed by what I used to call "dead teenager" movies. And this is as good a response to it as I've ever seen.

I've never understood these genres, to me they're just pornography. Gore porn. Yuck.
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:27 am

8bitagent wrote:
I have this romantic notion of Australia being this certain way(as an American) but then I realize it has its backwoods deep south places too


Adelaide is the third biggest city (maybe 4th or 5th these days).

Tho its pretty backwards. It was settled as a city that was capital of South Australia which was meant to be a colony that followed progressive (for the 1830s) political views and allowed religious freedom and civil liberties. But it also set up for an aristocratic class with the value of land rigged from the outset to favour a "ruling" class. It is probably the creepiest major city in Australia and the one with the most "RIish" vibe in many ways. IE People there use power in a strange way.

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Re: What's a meta for, anyway?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:39 am

nashvillebrook wrote:Why do we keep feeding kids into meat grinders, metaphorically and IRL? It's a simple little trope that Whedon deploys, but he's not interested in the metaphor...he's interested in the meta-discussion. Rather than manipulating the audience, Whedon seeks to expose the manipulation.

Rarely does anyone bother to ask why our culture resonates with fetishized violent retribution for sex and/or freethinking. It's never pointed out that using this bloody awful theme so often, and so rigidly proves that it's gone beyond narrative storytelling. It's fucking ritual. Whedon is suggesting that it's as-if we're appeasing The Ancient Ones. I wonder, at what point is there a difference btwn appeasing gods and appeasing billionaires.

You want a connection to RigInt? Men in control rooms making people die for reasons we can't understand, and won't ever be given the opportunity to understand. They watch monitors and finger controls that rain death down on people halfway around the world, and then go home to weekend BBQs, office pools and NBA playoffs. Oh, and btw, those men in control rooms manipulating drones are already here in the US. It's as dystopically clean and twisted as it gets. And what's even more dystopic is that nobody is asking what these men are doing, or why they are doing it. We're supposed to play along...nevermind The Harbinger. Nevermind the crack in the matrix.

At one time in history the global killing game at least gave the pretense of being a "real war." Not anymore. GWOT changed that. The mask is off. Count me as fully on board with the notion that the global killing game at this point in time (bug splat) resembles ritual way more than any sort of geo-political strategy. So, Whedon is on point...he burned down the temple of bullshit.

If Hollywood movies are too bourgeois a medium to ask questions about men in control rooms killing kids, what then would be a more acceptable medium? Essays? Novels? Internet forums? Why the inherent contempt for *popular* subversion? If it's popular it can't be saying anything important, right? Only film with limited distribution can possibly have anything relevant to offer.

Actually...now that I think about it, i like it better this way. Better that popular subversion isn't given credit for being subversive. That would subvert its subversion. So, Hush :) Nothing to see here.



Nice one.

Also tho, Cabin In The Woods is the sort of script that a bunch of us from RI could have written, maybe at barcade the other night, if I'd turned up with a bag of my local weed. Well seems that way from the plot details in nash' review. Didn't that used to be one of the underlying premises of this board? That that was how things worked. The powerful sacrificed a portion of the rest of us (including their own possibly) for access to the "power of the old ones".
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby sunny » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:14 am

Thanks nashvillebrooke!

This sounds like a slasher movie I'll actually watch with my husband.
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Re: What's a meta for, anyway?

Postby nashvillebrook » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:57 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:Nice one.

Also tho, Cabin In The Woods is the sort of script that a bunch of us from RI could have written, maybe at barcade the other night, if I'd turned up with a bag of my local weed. Well seems that way from the plot details in nash' review. Didn't that used to be one of the underlying premises of this board? That that was how things worked. The powerful sacrificed a portion of the rest of us (including their own possibly) for access to the "power of the old ones".


Funny you should mention this...Whedon and co-writer Drew Goddard actually did lock themselves in a hotel room for three days to write this.

Goddard got started in screenwriting by having written a spec episode of Six Feet Under which led to a bidding war between Buffy and Angel producers (both Whedon projects). He picked a genre and wrote something inspired. That's something many here can do, as there's no lack of knowledge and passion.

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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby nashvillebrook » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:17 pm

Nordic wrote:Nashvillebrooks' take on the movie is so wonderful that I don't want to see the movie for fear of being disappointed it won't live up to this assessment.

I have always been disturbed by what I used to call "dead teenager" movies. And this is as good a response to it as I've ever seen.

I've never understood these genres, to me they're just pornography. Gore porn. Yuck.


Horror genre done right can be great fun and sometimes even explore interesting ideas about human nature. It's not my favorite genre...but the older I get, the more I appreciate genre movies.
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:48 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
8bitagent wrote:
I have this romantic notion of Australia being this certain way(as an American) but then I realize it has its backwoods deep south places too


Adelaide is the third biggest city (maybe 4th or 5th these days).

Tho its pretty backwards. It was settled as a city that was capital of South Australia which was meant to be a colony that followed progressive (for the 1830s) political views and allowed religious freedom and civil liberties. But it also set up for an aristocratic class with the value of land rigged from the outset to favour a "ruling" class. It is probably the creepiest major city in Australia and the one with the most "RIish" vibe in many ways. IE People there use power in a strange way.




Im a big fan of all these recent gritty Australian crime dramas, but they all seem to take place in that area. Some really scary areas/folks portrayed in these movies.
I saw Romper Stomper, but it wasnt til the last couple years I noticed this resurgence of Australian crime films
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Re: What's a meta for, anyway?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:50 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote: Didn't that used to be one of the underlying premises of this board? That that was how things worked. The powerful sacrificed a portion of the rest of us (including their own possibly) for access to the "power of the old ones".


Yes. It was hard to read through the breadth of Jeff's blogs without taking that theme away.

But then there was a kind of unwritten ban on woo, save for the occasional UFO topic, and that was that. Not that I wanted RI to turn into Godlikeproductions...
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby thatsmystory » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:37 am

I had to see it after all this talk about "deconstructing the genre." I have to admit what comes to mind is the notion that comic books may have profound insight into geopolitical dynamics...but they have cool pictures too. I don't buy the mixing of fanboy homage and profound commentary on cultural sickness. That is giving the filmmakers too much credit.

So why do people pay money to watch a movie in which people are murdered? Or pay to watch a movie that demonstrates the manipulation of murdered people movies by showing a bunch of murders?

My answer: On some level people want to be reminded of their vulnerability. Truth over a false sense of security. In the recent coverage of the Breivik murders he mentioned how weird it was that some people froze. He mentioned that some people didn't run even when he paused to reload his gun. IMO the explanation for this is that people don't spend most of their days expecting that a dickhead will impersonate a police officer and go around killing people. They adapt to their reality so that they aren't filled with dread while eating pancakes. A horror movie functions as a reminder that dangers are always lurking.
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Re: Cabin In The Woods: The Ultimate RI Movie?

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:46 am

That Breivik trial is so bizarre. Usually we see this sad little 'jihadists'(or what the government claims are jihadists) paraded out, and never hear them. Or even notorious killers, they usually keep their head down.

But to see this guy so robust in his matter of fact speaking, like the 'perfect soldier', very shocking. And the Nederland courts are so accepting of just any nonsense. No way a psycho would be allowed so long to read some manifesto and use the court as a soap box. And ya see Norway 'prison cells'. They look better than a lot of motels Ive stayed in(not saying prisoners should be kept in Egyptian cell like conditions) Norway in a way is the perfect place for a mass murderer to sit back and laugh at everyone and have an easy ciesta toying with folks
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