Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby Marie Laveau » Thu May 03, 2012 8:30 am

This would be fun to get into, but I don't have the time right now. I will say this, however:

Sarai/Hagar (it's been going on for a long, long time - what the Jews stole and what a lot of people would like to get their hands on)

and

According to the "good" book, there are only going to be 144,000 Jews left on the entire planet after the tribulation (the time of trial for JEWS). With good, godly Christian friends believing shit like that, who needs enemies?

Of course, the Jews don't believe that, but the Chrisitians do. Wonder who will win?

And Christianity is not only finished, it wasn't even real to begin with. Jesus, probably, was real. But the whole system built up around him? Check yer Alexander the Great/Rome history. Another debate too long to get into.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby eyeno » Thu May 03, 2012 10:26 am

Nordic wrote:
We have a new religion and its called the holocaust.


Okay I'm a little confused by that. Could you elaborate?



Nordic I am not creating this reality we live in. I am simply pointing it out for you. I didn't even pass judgement on it. I simply pointed my finger at what exists.

Christian evangelists spend an enormous amount of time stumping for Israel. (to put it tactfully) It is against the law in many countries to discuss the holocaust in the wrong manner. It can get you put in jail. It is a hateful anti-semitic act to refuse an employee time off work for a religious holiday. This is social engineering at its finest. Extrapolate that into the future and do the math.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby eyeno » Thu May 03, 2012 11:34 am

Nordic I would also recommend studying a concept known as the Trivium. The Trivium is a study of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. It is not the end all be all but it does build a matrix upon which thoughts can be tested in the fire, so to speak. Gnostic Media has done a decent job on the Trivium studies. In a nutshell the Trivium helps a person process information through a critical and more logical lens. When information is processed through an emotional lens it distorts the picture.

Emotion might be the most powerful factor in the ptb arsenal. By using emotions the ptb cause us monkeys to RE-ACT and we are much more easily controlled. We react. We RE-ACT. We do the same thing over and over again when our E-MOTIONS are activated.

This is a fairly decent overview of the Trivium although there are better productions on the concept.
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/logic-falla ... jan-irvin/


This is the main link to Gnostic Media trivium studies. I have not listened to all Gnostic Media trivium studies so your mileage may vary but poking around here might be a good place to start.
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/triviumstudy
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 03, 2012 2:01 pm

Nordic wrote:
We have a new religion and its called the holocaust.


Okay I'm a little confused by that. Could you elaborate?


Obviously you're not going to get an elaboration on something that plump, but you see what followed: a lecture on how you're missing some training in classical logic, which is why you're just not getting it. He's told you the Jews are crucifying his Christ all over the world, and as usual with his more outrageous material he's tried to do it in a way he imagines gives him room for evasion and deniability. By board rules the fulfillment of his own fantasy of online crucifixion should be imminent, and he's the kind of guy who makes you root for it. Perhaps the too-stupid-to-understand-what-you-think-I'm-saying defense will continue to shield him, since there's so much to speak for it. And anyway, most people probably skip over his stuff, or already left because of it. His usual move at this point would be a huffy declaration that he's thinks it's time to leave this thread because we're too mean, etc. etc.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby Nordic » Thu May 03, 2012 2:32 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Nordic wrote:
We have a new religion and its called the holocaust.


Okay I'm a little confused by that. Could you elaborate?


Obviously you're not going to get an elaboration on something that plump, but you see what followed: a lecture on how you're missing some training in classical logic, which is why you're just not getting it. He's told you the Jews are crucifying his Christ all over the world, and as usual with his more outrageous material he's tried to do it in a way he imagines gives him room for evasion and deniability. By board rules the fulfillment of his own fantasy of online crucifixion should be imminent, and he's the kind of guy who makes you root for it. Perhaps the too-stupid-to-understand-what-you-think-I'm-saying defense will continue to shield him, since there's so much to speak for it. And anyway, most people probably skip over his stuff, or already left because of it. His usual move at this point would be a huffy declaration that he's thinks it's time to leave this thread because we're too mean, etc. etc.



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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby barracuda » Thu May 03, 2012 2:46 pm

I bagged a fifty pound grouper off the coast of Florida when I was about eleven. Sometimes all you've got to do is put your hook in the water.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 03, 2012 3:07 pm

I never thought about how many words it takes to describe a fish hook.

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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby barracuda » Thu May 03, 2012 3:39 pm

Mostly what we get around here is the shank.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby Jeff » Thu May 03, 2012 3:46 pm

I know I'm late to the party, but eyeno, this post of yours a few pages back crosses the line from hyperbole to hate speech. I'm suspending your account for three days.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 03, 2012 4:29 pm

(grumbling about liberal revolving-door justice)
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby Saurian Tail » Thu May 03, 2012 10:32 pm

Marie Laveau wrote:According to the "good" book, there are only going to be 144,000 Jews left on the entire planet after the tribulation (the time of trial for JEWS). With good, godly Christian friends believing shit like that, who needs enemies?

Of course, the Jews don't believe that, but the Chrisitians do. Wonder who will win?

This is a good point and is something that people who have not grown up in the church might miss: That is that Christian support for the Jewish state has nothing to do with lovingkindness towards Jewish people!

Conservative and Evangelical Christians support Israel because they are seen as God's chosen people through whom He continues to work out His ultimate plan. The creation of the Jewish state is seen as a miracle and the fulfillment of prophesy. The triumph of the Jewish state against it's neighbors against incredible odds is seen as proof of God's divine plan.

Evangelicals want the US to do whatever it takes to keep the Jewish state viable. Absolutely. But as I said, this is not because Evangelicals love the Jews.

Rather, it is because they see the creation of the Jewish state as a necessary step on the way to the return of Jesus for His Church and a remnant of the Jews. The return of the Messiah and the rapture of the church is the most eagerly anticipated event for any true believer. That this event is tied to Armageddon is not seen as a problem, rather it is seen as a part of God's righteous judgement on a wicked world.

Here you have a perfect the alignment of Jewish exceptionalism and its corollary right of return married to the Christian belief in the centrality of the Jewish people and state in their apocalyptic destiny.

For Jews, this is about return and chosenness. For Christians, this is about the end times. This is real for these people. Apocalypse is welcome because the "believers" will be raptured out and spared judgement. That people who believe this are in positions of power is grave threat to those of us who want the human race to grow up and build a more loving and sustainable future for our children.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby compared2what? » Fri May 04, 2012 2:01 am

Saurian Tail wrote:Here you have a perfect the alignment of Jewish exceptionalism and its corollary right of return married to the Christian belief in the centrality of the Jewish people and state in their apocalyptic destiny.

For Jews, this is about return and chosenness. For Christians, this is about the end times. This is real for these people. Apocalypse is welcome because the "believers" will be raptured out and spared judgement. That people who believe this are in positions of power is grave threat to those of us who want the human race to grow up and build a more loving and sustainable future for our children.


It has nothing to do with "chosenness." That actually doesn't mean what it's colloquially supposed to do, in reality. It's just why Jews are Jews -- ie, because they were chosen to be. Likewise, "exceptionalism." I'm never even sure what that means, in a religious context, tbh. Judaism doesn't care about how good it is relative to other religions. I mean this in a strictly neutral, non-value-laden and purely intellectual sense, but:

That's a Christian thing, and something that matters to Christianity. Because Christianity sought (and seeks) converts. However, it's pretty much a non-issue to Jews.

The right of return is maybe a little more ambiguous. But it was (mostly) cooked up in order to justify zionism on an ex-post-facto basis. Not everyone accepts the doctrinal reasoning behind it. Many reject it. And, generally speaking, neither living in Israel nor having the right to do so is at all a central, major, or signature aspect of Jewish faith and practice. People might (and do) have strong feelings about it. Obviously. But they're highly unlikely to be strong religious feelings, unless they're Christians whose eschatological beliefs require the Jews to be resident in Israel prior to the return of the messiah.

In which case, as Saurian Tail says.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby 82_28 » Fri May 04, 2012 4:58 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
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Somebody snaked it and threw it on some forum. I just found it. How dickian is it that their software algorithims sought to replace all of the mentions of "Dick" with "Penis"?


I honestly thought he did that deliberately.


Fuck no, he didn't. That be algorithm. It's also "dickian" that he dumped all his shit. Joke's on him, 'cept, there ain't no joke. It lives on and has propogated. But knowing Tim, he would prefer to see where all this heads. Philip K penis. Jesus Christ. I want off this ride.
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Re: Why Is It Right Wing To Think The Media is Brainwashing?

Postby Elvis » Sat May 05, 2012 6:07 pm

barracuda wrote:Mostly what we get around here is the shank.



and the occasional barb. :praybow


I don't really get the premise of this thread. Let's just talk about Nixon, k?
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