Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[Canadian_watcher]

I'll bet he was on psychiatric drugs, and that the media try to blame it on smoking pot.

I've got to register my dislike of this comment. Mental illness isn't something that can be wished away. it takes drugs & other treatment to fix, okay?

for god's sake. you wouldn't say "I bet he was having chemo.." would you?

[82_28]

Oh and mulebone, go f**k yourself. I opened this thread with declaring I was fucking crying -- so I assume you're referring to me. Guess what? I was crying -- the numbers of people affected are staggering and I probably have many a Kevin Bacon connection to some of them. This is my hometown for one and where I grew up. I know victims from Columbine and was in the city at the time when it happened -- it was stunning. Turns out the ex's cousin was there at the theater. He's fine and no details. But seriously, go f**k yourself, tough guy.

edit:

I see others, including Jeff posted while I was typing the above out. Anyways, that's what I had to say. . .

[Canadian_watcher]

Creepy coincidence:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/showbiz/m ... ?hpt=hp_t1

A full-page newspaper ad heralding the opening weekend contains a pull quote from Marlow Stern, assistant culture editor of Newsweek, which says, "A monumental conclusion to the epic trilogy. Audiences will be blown away."

Warner Bros. pulled the trailer for the film "Gangster Squad," which had been running before showings of "The Dark Knight Rises." That film trailer features scenes of men armed with machine guns attacking a movie theater.

wow.

[undead]

I'll bet he was on psychiatric drugs, and that the media try to blame it on smoking pot.

I've got to register my dislike of this comment. Mental illness isn't something that can be wished away. it takes drugs & other treatment to fix, okay?

for god's sake. you wouldn't say "I bet he was having chemo.." would you?

This person will inevitably be labelled as mentally ill and the result will be an environment increasingly hostile to people who suffer with mental and emotional disorders. Mental illness is the normal state of being in the United States, in large part because the people tasked with diagnosing mental and emotional disorders are themselves insane. There is a solid correlation between young people taking these drugs (and/or being in unsupervised withdrawal of these drugs) and going on shooting sprees. As for the media blaming it on pot, this will go together with the Occupy/Black Bloc angle which has already started with that PI motherfucker. Colorado is booming with medical marijuana right now and this will inevitably come up.

And mental illness does not always require drugs to treat. Some people don't have anything else and that is unfortunate. I don't want to change the subject, but the mental health of this person will be an inevitable issue in subsequent discussion.

What I want to know is where he got this "canister". Also how the fuck did he shoot so many people. It must have been an automatic rifle, or multiple shooters. To be honest I doubt that we are going to hear the truth about this.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

According to the BBC report, the Pentagon has confirmed that several military personnel were present in the theatre, but these are among the victims (whether injured or killed I don't know). I mention this strictly fwiw, in light of a witness saying the shooter (there was more than one in early reports) operated in a "commamndo" style, and in light of the report that someone held an outside door open for the shooter to enter by. Also in light of the fact that 71 people were injured in the attack.

However, it's far from unusual to find members of the military amongst any large crowd in the US.

The Pentagon said members of the military were among the casualties...
...
New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly - who previously worked with Aurora police chief Dan Oates and spoke with him on Friday - said in a news conference said the suspect "had his hair painted red" and claimed to be The Joker, a villian in the last Batman film.

Aurora officials declined to comment on Mr Kelly's statement.

A witness in the next-door theatre told 9News he initially thought live special effects had been laid on by the cinema after hearing loud bangs and seeing smoke.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492

The shooter(s) would have had the advantage of having the screen at their back, illuminating the crowd in their view, but leaving the crowd near-blind to events happening around them when the shooting started. With all the tactical gear the suspect seems to have been wearing from the reports so far, I suppose night-vision goggles wouldn't be unlikely either. A lot has been posted here in the past about the militarisation of the police, but the militarisation of our psychopaths is an equally worrying trend. But then so is the psychopathology of our military and police.

I'm glad you're okay 82-28, I hope any other members from that area are safe as well. The 4 month old baby who was shot is still alive and is recovering, according to BBC, in fact has already been released from hospital.

[undead]

Uh, so about those people in the mental health treatment field being insane, like I just said...

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes was buying guns, dropping out of neuroscience graduate school

By Pete Williams, Bill Dedman and NBC News staff

James Eagan Holmes, suspected of carrying out the Colorado movie theater shooting while wearing an outfit of black ballistic gear, was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate student in neuroscience who started buying his four weapons legally in May, about the time his grades fell and he began the process of dropping out of school.

A law enforcement official confirmed that Holmes had two handguns, a shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle, was wearing an outfit of black ballistic gear, had his hair brightly colored red or orange, and told police that he was the Joker, the fictional villain in earlier Batman comics and films. Holmes is not cooperating with authorities, other than to divulge that his apartment was rigged with explosives. He is represented by an attorney.

The 24-year-old from San Diego was a Ph.D. student at the University of Colorado Medical School campus in Aurora, a university spokesman told NBC News.

"The University of Colorado Denver Anschutz Medical Campus can confirm that Mr. James Holmes was in the process of withdrawing from the University of Colorado Denver's graduate program in neurosciences," the university statement said. "Mr. Holmes enrolled at the university in June 2011."

A poor last semester

The Washington Post reported that a neuroscience faculty member at Colorado who said he taught Holmes said he immediately thought of Holmes when he heard that a student was accused of the shooting. He was “very quiet, strangely quiet in class,” and said he seemed “socially off.”

Holmes did very poorly on his comprehensive exams last semester, the instructor told the Post, and the school was considering placing him on academic probation, but was not considering expulsion.

Aurora, Colo., police say they are working on disarming "flammable or explosive material" in the home of James Holmes, the suspected movie theater shooter, and NBC's Pete Williams has more details on the shooter's apartment.

The university website listed one of his courses as the Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders. He was listed on the class website as making a presentation in the spring on MicroRNA biomarkers.

The University of California, Riverside, confirmed that a student named James Eagan Holmes, with the same date of birth, graduated with a bachelor's degree in neuroscience in 2010. He graduated in four years, attending from the fall of 2006 to spring 2010. Public records show that the Holmes living in Aurora had a previous address at a Riverside dormitory.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... chool?lite

[undead]

Some college students will take a mental health excuse when they drop out because of a bad semester, in order to not loose scholarships or financial aid - depression or ADD are common excuses. Usually in order to make these excuses psychiatric treatment is required.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

This person will inevitably be labelled as mentally ill and the result will be an environment increasingly hostile to people who suffer with mental and emotional disorders. Mental illness is the normal state of being in the United States, in large part because the people tasked with diagnosing mental and emotional disorders are themselves insane.

The main suspect had a neuroscience degree himself, and was trying for a Phd, which presumably means he wanted to practice psychiatry himself at some point. The Telegraph says he had just completed a course on psychiatric disorders shortly before he began withdrawing himself from the Phd programme.

What I want to know is where he got this "canister".

The guns seem to have been purchased legally, but I don't know if a gas canister would be legal to buy. The impression you get sometimes is that just about anything you want is available over the counter, few questions asked, but even if gas canisters or grenades were not officially for sale they would still be easy enough to buy if you were crazy enough. Soldiers smuggle stuff back from the wars and sell it on, gear goes missing from police lock-ups and army training camps all the time, and it's Colorado we're talking about here, home of the 1st Patriots Defence Force and other scarily tooled-up militia groups.

Or... and this would be very bad news ... he could've picked up an unexploded tear gas canister from his Black Bloc activities, if he actually was involved with them at all. They don't seem to ever have a shortage of tear gas canisters being fired at them.

Also how the fuck did he shoot so many people. It must have been an automatic rifle, or multiple shooters. To be honest I doubt that we are going to hear the truth about this.

According to The Telegraph:

The chief says officers found an AR-15 assault rifle - the civilian form of the M16 - a Remington 12-gauge shotgun and a .40-calibre Glock handgun in the theater and another handgun in the car. Oates says the gunman set off two devices to distract the crowd that released a smoke or an irritant.

Given his "science" background, and his apparent ability to rig his home with explosives and tripwires, etc. it's possible the gas canisters were home-made.

82_28 beat me to it.

[undead]

Aurora shooting suspect left apartment "booby trapped," music blaring

AURORA —The 24-year-old accused of shooting 71 people early Friday morning was a former honor student and recent graduate school dropout who apparently booby trapped his apartment and left the stereo blaring non-stop techno music before he headed to the local movie theater where police say he killed 12 people.

James Eagan Holmes of 1690 Paris Street surrendered to police in the parking lot outside the theater "without any significant incident," Aurora police Chief Dan Oates said.

Oates said Holmes made a statement to officers about possible explosives in his home. That prompted police to evacuate five buildings nearby and begin searching his third-floor apartment using a police robot and camera attached to a long pole.

Inside, officers found trip wires attached to 1-liter plastic bottles that contain an unknown substance.

Police Chief Dan Oates said the explosive devices were "pretty sophisticated."

"We could be here for days," he said at midday.

Holmes grew up in San Diego and graduated from Westview High School there in 2006. In 2010, he earned a degree in neuroscience from the University of California Riverside, a spokeswoman for the university said.

Chancellor Timothy White said Holmes distinguished himself academically, graduating with highest honors, but that he did not walk at his commencement ceremony.

"Academically, he was the top of the top," White said.

The Mai family has lived next door to the Holmes family for abut 15 years on a middle-class street in suburban San Diego.

Christine Mai, 17, said she never saw James Holmes act violent or inappropriately.

She never knew him or his family to have weapons or any conflicts.

He grew up with a younger sister who plays guitar and attends San Diego State University.

Christine Mai said Holmes' father went to Colorado to be with his son and his mother was holed up inside her home and didn't want to have any visitors.

Dozens of reporters were camped outside the house.

The Holmes had Christmas parties in their front yard and often exchanged gifts with the Mai family, she said. Last year, they shared hot apple cider in the front yard with other neighbors.

"He seemed like a nice guy," she said. "His mother used to tell us he was a good son."

Holmes left home to attend UCR, but returned home after graduation and had a hard time finding work. He took a part-time job at a nearby McDonald's to pay for school, she said.

"He didn't have a job,"she said. "I felt bad for him because he studied so hard. My brother said he looked kind of down, he seemed depressed."

Christine Mai and her father, Tom said they never saw Holmes socializing with friends, partying at his house or with any girlfriends.

"James was nice and quiet," Tom Mai said. "He was studious, he cut the grass, and cleaned the car. He was very bright."

Julie Adams said her son played soccer with Holmes at Westview High. Holmes played his freshman and sophomore year, she said.

While most of the other kids — her son Taylor included — played league soccer and continues the sport throughout high school, Holmes wasn't as involved, she said.

"I could tell you a lot about every single kid on that team except for him," Adams said. "He was more aloof."

She was shocked to discover this morning that the helicopters were circling her San Diego neighborhood because Holmes' alleged rampage.

"Taylor remembers playing soccer with him. He said he was quiet, reserved and a respectful kid," Adams said.

According to her son's yearbook, Holmes also ran cross country as a freshman but did not continue the sport.

Holmes enrolled in the graduate program in neurosciences at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora in June 2011 but was in the process of withdrawing, university spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said Friday.

In an e-mail message to members of the campus community, Doug Abraham, Chief of Police for the university, said Holmes left the school in June and his access to campus buildings was terminated while his withdrawal was being processed. He said officials do not believe
Holmes had been on campus since then, but authorities evacuated non-essential personnel from the research buildings as a precautionary measure while they wait for bomb-sniffing dogs to do a search of the buildings "to add another level of assurance."

In an apartment rental application he submitted for a different apartment early last year, Holmes described himself as a "quiet and easy-going" student. Other tenants in his building — which is reserved for students, faculty and staff of the medical campus — described him as a recluse.

A pharmacy student who also lives in the building told The Post he called 911 around 12:30 a.m. because there was a song blaring from the stereo inside apartment 10, where Holmes lived. The student, who wanted to be identified only as Ben, said he couldn't make out the song but that it seemed to be playing on repeat.

Kaitlyn Fonzi, a 20-year-old biology student at University of Colorado Denver, lives in an apartment below Holmes.

Around midnight, Fonzi said she heard techno music blasting from Holmes apartment. She went upstairs and knocked on the door. When no one answered, she put her hand on the door knob and realized the door was unlocked.

Fonzi decided not to go inside the apartment.

The music turned off at almost exactly 1 a.m., Fonzi said.

Police received several reports of the shooting at the Century 16 Movie Theaters at the Aurora Town Center around 12:39 a.m. Witnesses told police that a man entered the dark, packed theater and opened fire after throwing two smoke canisters.

Oates said he was dressed in black and wearing a ballistic helmet and vest, ballistic leggings, throat and groin protector and gas mask and black tactical gloves. He was armed with three weapons.

NBC News said law enforcement officials told them the weapons were bought from local stores of two national chains — Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop — beginning in May.

His neighbors in Aurora said he kept to himself and wouldn't acknowledge people when they passed in the hall and said hello.

"No one knew him. No one," one man said.

Fonzi said Holmes seemed normal and studious.

The maintenance person at Holmes' last apartment in Riverside remembered Holmes much the same way.

Jose Torres,45, said he didn't remember Holmes having a roommate and said he wasn't social. Torres gasped when he realized Holmes was the accused shooter in Colorado.

"He did not talk too much," Torres said after looking at a photograph of Holmes. "He don't say hi. He was just quiet with no problems."

When told of the booby traps authorities found in Holmes' apartment in Aurora, Torres appeared shocked.

"He didn't destroy this apartment when he left," Torres said. "When he left it was in good condition."

Authorities began searching Holmes' Aurora apartment building around 2 a.m.

A resident of the building who didn't want to give his name said he answered his door to see police with rifles. An officer asked if he had seen a white guy with crazy hair, possibly dyed unnatural colors, the man said. It was unclear if the officer was referring to Holmes.

Wes Bradshaw and his mother Lavonne watched the search of the third-floor apartment from their apartment, they said. The two watched a police robot enter the building right before they heard a small explosion.

The two, along with the rest of the building's tenants, were ordered to evacuate soon after, they said.

Residents of the area were huddled on street corners waiting for news. Police at the scene told them it could be hours before they are allowed to return to their homes.

About 6:30 a.m., three police officers on a fire truck bucket were looking through the window of the third-floor apartment and taking pictures. Using a long pole, responders broke into the window from the basket atop a ladder truck.

Aurora Deputy Fire Chief Chris Henderson said authorities could see several "string-like contraptions" inside.

"We're not sure exactly where they connect to," Henderson said.

Jim Yacone, special agent in charge of the Denver FBI, said they were working on "how to disarm the flammable or explosive material."

Neighbors in a fourth-floor apartment one building had a bird's eye view of the suspect's apartment. They said the curtains are usually closed and they never see any movement inside the apartment.

Even at night, there are no lights or anything in that apartment, said Yesenia Lujan, 24, who has lived in her apartment for seven months.

Using a camera with a zoom lens, Lujan's roommate said he could see into the suspect's kitchen, where a poster of Will Farrell in the movie "Anchorman" was hanging on the wall.

Holmes is scheduled to appear in court in Arapahoe County on Monday morning.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... a-shooting

[8bitagent]

I've been completely away from the news/online stuff for the past week or so(san diego comic con, journalist assignments, etc) but a few people texted me about this incident...and
sadly, first thing that popped in my mind was "I bet Copycateffect will be all over this before it even happens" so to speak. It's almost like the incident was specifically done for
Mr. Coleman's attention and dissemination. Sure enough, Coleman tells of being mysteriously awoken by a voice not long after the incident.

I see Coleman already wrote an article linking movie release dates to major events(Captain America/Breivik massacre) But these events, like the Safeway Giffords shooting, seem to almost
act as a kick off. America has felt mightily asleep in such a hotly lamented year("2012")

Hate to get political...but I wish Obama would send out condolences to all the innocent victims in Pakistan/Yemen/etc he blows up with drone attacks on a near daily basis. No wonder youth are committing heinous acts of horror when our leaders do with with assurance and a smile.

[undead]

Hate to get political...but I wish Obama would send out condolences to all the innocent victims in Pakistan/Yemen/etc he blows up with drone attacks on a near daily basis. No wonder youth are committing heinous acts of horror when our leaders do with with assurance and a smile.

Yeah, I feel a bit desensitized to hearing about massacres these days, whether it be 3rd world villagers or American theater goers. Still I am sorry for the people effected by this and understand people here getting emotional if they are close by.

[JackRiddler]

Radical Left-Wing & Registered Democrat, Obama Supporter, Occupy Black Bloc Member James E. Holmes Shoots Up Aurora Co Movie Theater:

By Marc Chamot & Sources: Net

White Punk Targeted U.S. Military Service members:

The false stigmas of right-wing Tea Party radicals, once again being shattered in Aurora Colorado.

A radical far Left-Wing and Registered Democrat and avid Obama Supporter, “Occupy Black Bloc Member James E. Holmes Shoots Up Aurora Co Movie Theater Killing 12 And Wounding 50.
A lone gunman dressed in riot gear and wearing a gas mask burst into a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., at a midnight showing of the Batman film “The Dark Knight Rises” and opened fire, killing at least 12 people and injuring at least 50.

So this whole thing was just made up by the Zombie Breitbart site?

[Six Hits of Sunshine]

I can't help but think the shooter was something of a tulpa of Christopher Nolan's creation. Now, I'm a huge fan of Nolan's, and I, unlike many here, think his trilogy has something to offer if we look closely enough. And I am in no way saying this was intentional on his part. I think he his completely devoted to his craft as a storyteller and manipulator of images -- in a way that many others are not. But perhaps such devotion to the exploration of our collective psyche as a culture is not without it's own blowback.

I find it interesting that the first Batman movie ends with Commissioner Gordon wondering what the blowback from Batman's vigilantism will be.

Batman: We will, we can bring Gotham back
Jim Gordon: What about escalation?
Batman: Escalation?
Jim Gordon: We start carrying semi automatics, they buy automatics, we start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds, and *you're* wearing a mask and jumping off rooftops. take this guy: armed robbery, double homicide. Got a taste for the theatrical, like you. Leaves a calling card.
Jim Gordon: [Gordon presents Batman with a clear plastic evidence bag containing what appears to be a single playing card; Batman turns it over to reveal a "Joker"

In fact, the second film, the Dark Knight, was soaked in that theme:

In a political context this would politely be called an “unintended consequence.” (Gotham as Baghdad, anyone?) Mr. Nolan doesn’t deny the overtones. “As we looked through the comics, there was this fascinating idea that Batman’s presence in Gotham actually attracts criminals to Gotham, attracts lunacy,” he said. “When you’re dealing with questionable notions like people taking the law into their own hands, you have to really ask, where does that lead? That’s what makes the character so dark, because he expresses a vengeful desire.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/movie ... ted=1&_r=1

Than of course I read that the gunman reportedly told police he was 'the Joker'

Maybe the tulpa is the escalation -- or the escalation and supplication of emotion and the dark and powerful themes necessary to Nolan's trilogy has somehow made the tulpa manifest.

Edited to add: It was the audiences connection to the emotion of Nolan's film that brought them there at midnight, and of course the gunman exploited this, and perhaps had his own sinister and warped connection to the films.

[MinM]

Jessica Redfield

@JessicaRedfield: Never thought I'd have to coerce a guy into seeing the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises with me.”

https://twitter.com/JeffMossDSR/status/ ... 7622239232

Late Night Thoughts on the Eaton Center Shooting

by Jessica Redfield

I can’t get this odd feeling out of my chest. This empty, almost sickening feeling won’t go away. I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court. An odd feeling which led me to go outside and unknowingly out of harm‘s way. It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around how a weird feeling saved me from being in the middle of a deadly shooting.

What started off as a trip to the mall to get sushi and shop, ended up as a day that has forever changed my life. I was on a mission to eat sushi that day, and when I’m on a mission, nothing will deter me. When I arrived at the Eaton Center mall, I walked down to the food court and spotted a sushi restaurant. Instead of walking in, sitting down and enjoying sushi, I changed my mind, which is very unlike me, and decided that a greasy burger and poutine would do the trick. I rushed through my dinner. I found out after seeing a map of the scene, that minutes later a man was standing in the same spot I just ate at and opened fire in the food court full of people. Had I had sushi, I would’ve been in the same place where one of the victims was found.

My receipt shows my purchase was made at 6:20 pm. After that purchase I said I felt funny. It wasn’t the kind of funny you feel after spending money you know you shouldn’t have spent. It was almost a panicky feeling that left my chest feeling like something was missing. A feeling that was overwhelming enough to lead me to head outside in the rain to get fresh air instead of continuing back into the food court to go shopping at SportChek. The gunshots rung out at 6:23. Had I not gone outside, I would’ve been in the midst of gunfire.

I walked around the outside of the mall. People started funneling out of every exit. When I got back to the front, I saw a police car, an ambulance, and a fire truck. I initially thought that maybe the street performer that was drumming there earlier had a heart attack or something. But more and more police officers, ambulances, and fire trucks started showing up. Something terrible has happened. I overheard a panicked guy say, “There was a shooting in the food court.” I thought that there was no way, I was just down there. I asked him what happened. He said “Some guy just opened fire. Shot about 8 shots. It sounded like balloons popping. The guy is still on the loose.” I’m not sure what made me stick around at this point instead of running as far away from the mall as possible. Shock? Curiosity? Human nature? Who knows.

Standing there in the midst of the chaos all around us, police started yelling to get back and make room. I saw a young shirtless boy, writhing on a stretcher, with his face and head covered by the EMS as they rushed him by us to get him into an ambulance. The moment was surprisingly calm. The EMTs helping the boy weren’t yelling orders and no one was screaming like a night time medical drama. It was as if it was one swift movement to get the boy out of the mall and into the ambulance. That’s when it really hit me. I felt nauseas. Who would go into a mall full of thousands of innocent people and open fire? Is this really the world we live in?

Police start yelling again “GET BACK NOW!” Another stretcher came rushing out of the mall. I saw a man on a stretcher, the blanket underneath him spotted with blood. Multiple gunshot holes in his chest, side, and neck were visible. It’s not like in the movies when you see someone shot and they’re bleeding continuously from the wound. There was no blood flowing from the wounds, I could only see the holes. Numerous gaping holes, as if his skin was putty and someone stuck their finger in it. Except these wounds were caused by bullets. Bullets shot out of hatred. His dark skin on his torso was tinted red with what I assume was his own blood. He was rushed into the ambulance and taken away.

More people joined the crowd at the scene and asked what happened. “There was a shooting in the food court,” kept being whispered through the crowd like a game of telephone. I was standing near a security guard when I heard him say over his walkie talkie, “One fatality.” At this point I was convinced I was going to throw up. I’m not an EMT or a police officer. I’m not trained to handle crime and murder. Gun crimes are fairly common where I grew up in Texas, but I never imagined I’d experience a violent crime first hand. I’m on vacation and wanted to eat and go shopping. Everyone else at the mall probably wanted the same thing. I doubt anyone left for the mall imagined they witness a shooting.

I was shown how fragile life was on Saturday. I saw the terror on bystanders’ faces. I saw the victims of a senseless crime. I saw lives change. I was reminded that we don’t know when or where our time on Earth will end. When or where we will breathe our last breath. For one man, it was in the middle of a busy food court on a Saturday evening.

I say all the time that every moment we have to live our life is a blessing. So often I have found myself taking it for granted. Every hug from a family member. Every laugh we share with friends. Even the times of solitude are all blessings. Every second of every day is a gift. After Saturday evening, I know I truly understand how blessed I am for each second I am given.

I feel like I am overreacting about what I experienced. But I can’t help but be thankful for whatever caused me to make the choices that I made that day. My mind keeps replaying what I saw over in my head. I hope the victims make a full recovery. I wish I could shake this odd feeling from my chest. The feeling that’s reminding me how blessed I am. The same feeling that made me leave the Eaton Center. The feeling that may have potentially saved my life.

http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/20 ... -shooting/

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... month?lite

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... _vict.html

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles ... 674859.txt

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/5 ... t|Sports|p

[Burnt Hill]

And what if it turns out the perpetrator wasnt on any medication?
Is it then feasible that an anti-psychotic, or a joint, might have helped?