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Carol Newquist » 03 Oct 2013 11:16 wrote:Jack, your response to me was a long-winded diatribe rationalizing Identity Politics. I don't subscribe to that philosophy because it produces precisely the outcome in the link I provided to Feminist.com. Let's take Feminism, for example. Amongst other characteristics used to describe this label, foremost amongst them is the use of the term empowerment. Power is at the core of that term. Power, imo. has a masculine stigma attached to it. Not so nice things come to mind when I think of power, and so, to me, empowerment means "hey ladies, yeah, sure, you can have some power too. Come on over here, we'll show you how it's done. That's right....put your index finger on the trigger like that and pull....but you don't have to pull hard....just a squeeze really. Feel that power? It's awesome, isn't it? Welcome to the club, Champ" I said this at another place where it wasn't so welcome....where I was called a Feminist on more occasions than I can count.
At a family reunion last year, my sister-in-law spoke about her hero, Billy Jean King. This S-I-L had been ruled over by a tyrant, her husand and my brother, for quite some time before she basically said “fuck-off” and pursued her own interests. She attended college and received a degree in education and is now a teacher. She and my brother have three grown children. The conversation continued along the lines of women and their current and historical roles in society and women’s rights in general. My brother did not care to discuss any of this so remained in the other room and scowled. My S-I-L, obviously, supports equal rights but only in the sense that females get to do everything males do, hence her worship of Billy Jean King. I told her that this outcome was disappointing for me. She became immediately defensive because she assumed my statement was motivated by conservatism which most assuredly it was not. I clarified that my wish was that women could chart their own course and create their world, not assume predefined roles in the current world crafted and ruled by men. She’s not the brightest bulb, so she lashed out at me and said “what other world are you talking about? We’re on planet Earth. It’s not like we can go to Mars.” Her response made me realize just how seemingly impossible a truly new world is. Look how far you’d have to go. You’d have to wipe the slate clean and start fresh with a new generation for there to be any chance. A collapse could do that, but the collateral damage will be immense.
JackRiddler » 26 Jan 2014 12:28 wrote:Oi, you are seriously taking up the mantle of the departed Newquist in this thread? I thought it was safe to revive without that kind of automatic villainization of feminism. How naive of me. I didn't expect this kind of reaction from you, I suppose I should have. My mistake to think smart people are going to be reasonable. Rather than respond to this again, I'll do as you have done and just take it from the top in quotes. Besides, we were wondering who had concocted the Newquist troll identity - was it you all along?
Ah, never mind, just loop back here and repeat the entire exchange with the Newquist entity:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37242#p523279
FourthBase » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:54 am wrote:Carol Newquist » 03 Oct 2013 11:16 wrote:Jack, your response to me was a long-winded diatribe rationalizing Identity Politics.
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