Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:07 pm

Ukraine is more critical and important to Russian power than any other external state.
Can anyone seriously suggest that when an attempt is made to detach Ukraine from Russian influence that the Russian power structure will just accept that, its absurd.
and what sense can it make to condemn Russia in the event that it attempts to resist the active detaching of Ukraine from its sphere of influence


... Ukraine is also a breadbasket, a natural gas chokepoint, and a nation of 45 million people in a pivotal spot north of the Black Sea.
Ukraine matters—to Russia, Europe, the U.S., and even China.
President Obama denied on Feb. 19 that it’s a piece on “some Cold War chessboard.” But the best hope for Ukraine is that it will get special treatment precisely because it is a valued pawn in a new version of the Great Game, the 19th century struggle for influence between Russia and Britain.

Russia, which straddles Europe and Asia, has sought a role in the rest of Europe since the reign of Peter the Great in the early 18th century.
An alliance with Ukraine preserves that.
“Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire,” the American political scientist Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in 1998.
Russian President Vladimir Putin wants Ukraine to join his Eurasian Union trade bloc, not the European Union. Russia’s Black Sea naval fleet is headquartered in Sevastopol, a formerly Russian city that now belongs to Ukraine.
Last year Russia’s state-controlled Gazprom (OGZPY) sold about 160 billion cubic meters of natural gas to Europe—a quarter of European demand—and half of that traveled through a maze of Ukrainian pipelines. Those pipelines also supply Ukrainian factories that produce steel, petrochemicals, and other industrial goods for sale to Mother Russia.
“Ukraine is probably more integrated than any other former Soviet republic with the Russian economy,” says Edward Chow, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:49 pm

part of the problem inherent in reading a situation like that of Ukraine now is that most of the terminology and conceptual frameworks used to describe it are redundant,
we all understand this well enough from our weekly postings and readings,
and yet when big events occur there is a slip into cartoonish retro terms and concepts

to consider that any state is just having a 'spontaneous democratic uprising against a corrupt government' is naive in the extreme, it cannot be that easy anymore,
and yet to dismiss every uprising as simply a manipulated puppet of some external power is also mistaken

since most powerful modern states exhibit most of the characteristics of Fascism, accusing one state of Fascist tendencies against another is of little value in analysis
and since the concept of the State as the source of - or locus of - power is also of little value these days, accusing Russia as a state of defending its national interest is also, in many ways, meaningless

arguing further that a globalised shadowy elite are just playing both sides for a financial gain might contain a general truth but it cannot always and everywhere be a singular or meaningful explanation


clearly, there is a genuine movement amongst the peoples of Western Ukraine for a less corrupt, more 'Western' governmental system (as they see it)

but equally clearly, the control of Ukraine as a commercial resource and transit point is central to this flare up,
that control is most critical for both the Corporate and Nationalist elements of the 'Russian State' (in a Fascist sense)

clearly, there is an interest in US/Euro (corporate and nationalistic) powers encouraging this movement in the Ukraine,
and that encouragement is a direct threat to those interest in the 'Russian State'

therefore,
supporting 'the democratic revolution' is naive and misplaced, it becomes in effect, support for US/Euro Corporate/State imperialism
supporting Russian counter measures becomes, in effect, support for Russian Corporate/State control of an external asset and an entire peoples destiny

fuck it
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:57 pm

smiths » 02 Mar 2014 21:59 wrote:sorry but i think you have that the wrong way around,
in this case i see Russia resisting US/Euro invasion, and yes, in the Spanish analogous case i would condemn Russian expansionism into Europe and understand a European desire to resist it

none of us want the great games, none of us want capitalist or nationalist powers manipulating peoples and using them as pawns,
but sometimes the choices do form themselves into a lesser of two evils scenario

in this case i see an expansionist US/Euro alliance pushing ever further into the East in a reckless and dangerous fashion,
if the choice is then to accept a Westernization of Ukraine or to condemn it and defend Russia's attempt to maintain what it sees as its historical sphere of influence i am reluctantly going with the second, not because i support Putin, but because firstly i condemn expansionism and purposeful destibilization which is what the US/Euro are engaged in
both choices are shit, one is more shit than the other


So, you don't see this as Russian expansionism? Nor the crackdown by the exiled president a destabilizing choice? Do you not suspect Russia of being just as conniving in pursuit of the same goals the West connives for? This is the same Russia as the one where the Moscow apartment bombings took place? Ruled dictatorially by a KGB ghoul? That is the lesser shit? Really? Why?

and lets be clear and concise with our terms, how exactly is this Russian move into Crimea to secure its military assets "brute fascism" when Fascism is most accurately defined as "the merger of state and corporate power"


Are you shitting me, lol?
So, like, cops playing rough with Occupy campers is fascism, but not this?

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:23 am

well, as i said above, i see the US and Russia as both being neo-Fascist states, so i think that it becomes meaningless to say that 'Russia' securing its interests against what it perceives as US expansionism is 'brutal Fascism'

i also think that it has been generally agreed for a very long time that the Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence, so whilst it may have been initially expansionist to absorb Ukraine, it is not now expansionist to defend it,

if, for example, Japan had attempted to invade Australia in 1900, Britain would have defended it
but it would not have been expansionist of Britain to defend it in 1900, it would have been defensive of something that everyone generally accepted was a British territory
was it expansionist to take Australia in the late 18th century? of course

did anyone really think the US was acting crazy when it acted to stop Russian power settling in Cuba in the 1960s? of course not, because Cuba was a few miles of the US coast, and because US strategists had understood for 150 years that control of Cuba was critical to US security
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:23 am

FB do you understand NED's involvement?
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:31 am

smiths » 02 Mar 2014 22:49 wrote:part of the problem inherent in reading a situation like that of Ukraine now is that most of the terminology and conceptual frameworks used to describe it are redundant,
we all understand this well enough from our weekly postings and readings,
and yet when big events occur there is a slip into cartoonish retro terms and concepts

to consider that any state is just having a 'spontaneous democratic uprising against a corrupt government' is naive in the extreme, it cannot be that easy anymore,
and yet to dismiss every uprising as simply a manipulated puppet of some external power is also mistaken

since most powerful modern states exhibit most of the characteristics of Fascism, accusing one state of Fascist tendencies against another is of little value in analysis
and since the concept of the State as the source of - or locus of - power is also of little value these days, accusing Russia as a state of defending its national interest is also, in many ways, meaningless

arguing further that a globalised shadowy elite are just playing both sides for a financial gain might contain a general truth but it cannot always and everywhere be a singular or meaningful explanation


clearly, there is a genuine movement amongst the peoples of Western Ukraine for a less corrupt, more 'Western' governmental system (as they see it)

but equally clearly, the control of Ukraine as a commercial resource and transit point is central to this flare up,
that control is most critical for both the Corporate and Nationalist elements of the 'Russian State' (in a Fascist sense)

clearly, there is an interest in US/Euro (corporate and nationalistic) powers encouraging this movement in the Ukraine,
and that encouragement is a direct threat to those interest in the 'Russian State'

therefore,
supporting 'the democratic revolution' is naive and misplaced, it becomes in effect, support for US/Euro Corporate/State imperialism
supporting Russian counter measures becomes, in effect, support for Russian Corporate/State control of an external asset and an entire peoples destiny

fuck it


Yeah, I was about to say...

anyone seriously suggest that when an attempt is made to detach Ukraine from Russian influence that the Russian power structure will just accept that, its absurd


Why the fuck should any of us give a shit which country feels militaristically entitled to which bygone colony? Who the fuck cares if self-determination is influenced or sponsored by this self-service-seeking entity or that one? Look at you tripping over yourself up there, talking yourself in circles trying to make excuses as to why a democratic uprising, which was predominantly not-fascist and was about as authentic a peaceful people's coup as anyone here has ever had a wet daydream about concerning our own governments, should be rejected as...as...something.

I don't give a fuck which side is betting on a low-impact democratic revolution, who cares. I would want to be always betting on that side myself, so that it may win. You? I think it's naive to expect there to be any sizable conflict in the world which doesn't have a host of deep states competing with each other to influence it. Of course there'll be billionaires and USAID fronts jostling to "nudge" events to their liking; just as there'll be oligarchs and Communist moles doing the same across the table, etc. Who the hell would expect otherwise? Pretending that the will of a people is illegitimate because one or another deep state had thrown some money into it would delegitimize basically every popular movement on earth. Great, lol. No, instead I'll just stick with the heuristic of "Fuck all non-freedom", it's easier that way, I don't have to do things like contort myself into knots trying to justify siding with a world-class parapolitical totalitarian creep and siding against a sudden, peaceable democratic mutiny.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:50 am

Look at you tripping over yourself up there, talking yourself in circles trying to make excuses as to why a democratic uprising, which was predominantly not-fascist and was about as authentic a peaceful people's coup as anyone here has ever had a wet daydream about concerning our own governments, should be rejected as...as...something.


c'mon, to be fair, i am thinking out loud, i am not making excuses for anyone, and i dont see it the way you do, thats alright isnt it?

as i said, i think the whole democratic uprising narrative is naive,
to simply ignore the US motivations, personnel and financial involvement in the Ukraine is just ridiculous
i have tried to see it without prejudice, you are vigorously defending a singular point of view
i have tried to understand the larger dynamics and admitted that it is almost impossible to see clearly
you have swallowed a singular and localised point of view and in doing so have picked one team as an aggressor and one as a victim, i think that is a misreading of the situation

"a peaceful peoples coup", that sounds like a unicorn to me

and further,

Why the fuck should any of us give a shit which country feels militaristically entitled to which bygone colony

the whole point here is that the Ukraine is not a "bygone colony", it is a strategic asset, you might like the idea of the great chessboard, nor do i, but to discount its real existence is ridiculous
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby DrEvil » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:08 am

Putin is a war-mongering mass murderer, but so is Obama.
We need an independent third party to decide for us who we should be cheering. This is all so confusing.

That said, I have about one trillionth of a percent more sympathy for Putin's position here.
Russia and Ukraine share a very long border. I can't imagine that Obama/EU would do nothing if Russia and China were funding every cartel and militant group in Mexico and trying to engineer a revolution.

For the US, Ukraine is just another chess-piece and strategic asset. They want Russia's naval base in Sevastopol gone, so the Russians can't resupply Bashar Al Assad, so the western funded jihadis can overthrow Iran's closest ally in the region. Then they can bomb Iran without worrying so much about Israel getting the sharp end of the reply. And a million other reasons, most of them never spoken in polite company and most of them aimed at China. I wonder what Andrew Marshall thinks of what's going on. :)

The EU probably doesn't know what it wants yet. Too many chefs.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:17 am

I'm not ignoring American interference, I'm just not treating it as automatically bespoiling the result. And, shit, if we're going to start seeing things from the perspective of these entities...I mean, we're supposed to empathize with Russia's view of Ukraine as a "strategic asset"? How is that different than America viewing Kuwait as a strategic asset, or some such shit? Why are we privileging the usual global hegemony chessboard bullshit only if it excuses Russia and implicates the US?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:32 am

Why are we privileging the usual global hegemony chessboard bullshit only if it excuses Russia and implicates the US?


we're not, the whole point is that many people see the US as the instigator of the instability,
pointing out that the US is purposefully meddling in the Ukraine is not the same as excusing Russia reactions,
you have to acknowledge the sequence of events, the US has instigated geopolitical change, Russia has reacted to the situation
pointig this out doesnt mean that we think Putin is some golden boy

i see Putin as a key member of a team of ruthless, murderous, vicious people who run the Russian neo-Fascist state (or Mafia if you like)
i dont support him

i am just pointing out that in the Ukraine situation Putin is defending an interest, as opposed to occupying an interest, and i think the distinction is important

and its not the same as Kuwait, which is why i compared it loosely to Cuba, Ukraine borders Russia
Mexico, Canada, or Cuba are more realistic comparisons
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:36 am

Memo to Obama: This Was Their Red Line!

In 1783 the Crimea was annexed by Catherine the Great, thereby satisfying the longstanding quest of the Russian Czars for a warm-water port. In fact, over the ages Sevastopol emerged as a great naval base at the strategic tip of the Crimean peninsula, where it became home to the mighty Black Sea Fleet of the Czars and then the commissars.

For the next 171 years Crimea was an integral part of Russia—a span that exceeds the 166 years that have elapsed since California was annexed by a similar thrust of “Manifest Destiny” on this continent, thereby providing, incidentally, the United States Navy with its own warm-water port in San Diego. While no foreign forces subsequently invaded the California coasts, it was most definitely not Ukrainian and Polish riffles, artillery and blood which famously annihilated The Charge Of The Light Brigade at the Crimean city of Balaclava in 1854; they were Russians defending the homeland.

And the portrait of the Russian ”hero” hanging in Putin’s office is that of Czar Nicholas I—whose brutal 30-year reign brought the Russian Empire to its historical zenith, and who was revered in Russian hagiography as the defender of Crimea, even as he lost the 1850s war to the Ottomans and Europeans.

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:41 am

Why should whether a country is adjacent or not matter?
Strategic assets are strategic assets.

Who instigated what? Instability? That's chessboard speak.
Are you sure you're not reducing a mostly-sui-generis revolution to "instability"?

Again, why should those western Ukrainians not get to rule themselves?
Why are you complaining that people were helped to throw off a dictator?

I don't give the faintest fuck which sequence leads to autonomy.
If it's really autonomy, of course. But autonomy need not be perfect to count.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby smiths » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:48 am

"sui generis" - a Latin phrase, meaning "of its own kind/genus" and hence "unique in its characteristics"

c'mon FB, Ukraine's revolution - unique in its characteristics?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:16 am

smiths » 03 Mar 2014 00:48 wrote:"sui generis" - a Latin phrase, meaning "of its own kind/genus" and hence "unique in its characteristics"

c'mon FB, Ukraine's revolution - unique in its characteristics?


Meaning, mostly of its own doing, of its own popular will. Or are we supposed to think that the people's will to revolt was itself manufactured by the US? Were the reasons to revolt not real, not totally legitimate? It was a toppling that was due, no? Or are we here now more concerned with thieves-abiding-by-their-code-of-honor than with people-disempowering-corrupt-elites?

What is the actual situation, institution-wise, in Kiev?

Who is in charge? Who is representing what?

Is it bad? Good? Good but helped along by self-interested power players at first, helped pushed through by unsavory allies, and haunted in advance by a future which could go south if the wrong people wind up with a controlling stake in national affairs. But that describes everywhere there's been a transition, ever, no?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:58 am

Is “regime change” in Ukraine the bridge too far for the neoconservative “regime changers” of Official Washington and their sophomoric “responsibility-to-protect” (R2P) allies in the Obama administration? Have they dangerously over-reached by pushing the putsch that removed duly-elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych?




Published on Sunday, March 2, 2014 by Consortium News
Ukraine: One ‘Regime Change’ Too Many?
by Ray McGovern
Is “regime change” in Ukraine the bridge too far for the neoconservative “regime changers” of Official Washington and their sophomoric “responsibility-to-protect” (R2P) allies in the Obama administration? Have they dangerously over-reached by pushing the putsch that removed duly-elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych?

Russian President Vladimir Putin has given an unmistakable “yes” to those questions – in deeds, not words. His message is clear: “Back off our near-frontier!”

President Barack Obama discusses Ukraine during a meeting with members of his National Security Staff in the Oval Office, Feb. 28, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

Moscow announced on Saturday that Russia’s parliament has approved Putin’s request for permission to use Russia’s armed forces “on the territory of the Ukraine pending the normalization of the socio-political situation in that country.”

Putin described this move as necessary to protect ethnic Russians and military personnel stationed in Crimea in southern Ukraine, where the Russian Black Sea Fleet and other key military installations are located. But there is no indication that the Russian parliament has restricted the use of Russian armed forces to the Crimea.

Unless Obama is completely bereft of advisers who know something about Russia, it should have been a “known-known” (pardon the Rumsfeldian mal mot) that the Russians would react this way to a putsch removing Yanukovich. It would have been a no-brainer that Russia would use military force, if necessary, to counter attempts to use economic enticement and subversive incitement to slide Ukraine into the orbit of the West and eventually NATO.

This was all the more predictable in the case of Ukraine, where Putin – although the bête noire in corporate Western media – holds very high strategic cards geographically, militarily, economically and politically.

Unlike ‘Prague Spring’ 1968

Moscow’s advantage was not nearly as clear during the short-lived “Prague Spring” of 1968 when knee-jerk, non-thinking euphoria reigned in Washington and West European capitals. The cognoscenti were, by and large, smugly convinced that reformer Alexander Dubcek could break Czechoslovakia away from the U.S.S.R.’s embrace and still keep the Russian bear at bay.

My CIA analyst portfolio at the time included Soviet policy toward Eastern Europe, and I was amazed to see analysts of Eastern Europe caught up in the euphoria that typically ended with, “And the Soviets can’t do a damned thing about it!”

That summer a new posting found me advising Radio Free Europe Director Ralph Walter who, virtually alone among his similarly euphoric colleagues, shared my view that Russian tanks would inevitably roll onto Prague’s Wenceslaus Square, which they did in late August.

Past is not always prologue. But it is easy for me to imagine the Russian Army cartographic agency busily preparing maps of the best routes for tanks into Independence Square in Kiev, and that before too many months have gone by, Russian tank commanders may be given orders to invade, if those stoking the fires of violent dissent in the western parts of Ukraine keep pushing too far.

That said, Putin has many other cards to play and time to play them. These include sitting back and doing nothing, cutting off Russia’s subsidies to Ukraine, making it ever more difficult for Yanukovich’s successors to cope with the harsh realities. And Moscow has ways to remind the rest of Europe of its dependence on Russian oil and gas.

Another Interference

There is one huge difference between Prague in 1968 and Kiev 2014. The “Prague Spring” revolution led by Dubcek enjoyed such widespread spontaneous popular support that it was difficult for Russian leaders Leonid Brezhnev and Aleksey Kosygin to argue plausibly that it was spurred by subversion from the West.

Not so 45-plus years later. In early February, as violent protests raged in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev and the White House professed neutrality, U.S. State Department officials were, in the words of NYU professor emeritus of Russian studies Stephen Cohen, “plotting a coup d’état against the elected president of Ukraine.”

We know that thanks to neocon prima donna Victoria Nuland, now Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, who seemed intent on giving new dimension to the “cookie-pushing” role of U.S. diplomats. Recall the photo showing Nuland in a metaphor of over-reach, as she reached deep into a large plastic bag to give each anti-government demonstrator on the square a cookie before the putsch.

More important, recall her amateurish, boorish use of an open telephone to plot regime change in Ukraine with a fellow neocon, U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt. Crass U.S. interference in Ukrainian affairs can be seen (actually, better, heard) in an intercepted conversation posted on YouTube on Feb. 4.

Yikes! It’s Yats!

Nuland was recorded as saying: “Yats is the guy. He’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the guy you know. … Yats will need all the help he can get to stave off collapse in the ex-Soviet state. He has warned there is an urgent need for unpopular cutting of subsidies and social payments before Ukraine can improve.”

And guess what. The stopgap government formed after the coup designated Nuland’s guy Yats, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, prime minister! What luck! Yats is 39 and has served as head of the central bank, foreign minister and economic minister. And, as designated pinch-hitter-prime-minister, he has already talked about the overriding need for “responsible government,” one willing to commit “political suicide,” as he put it, by taking unpopular social measures.

U.S. meddling has been so obvious that at President Barack Obama’s hastily scheduled Friday press conference on Ukraine, Yats’s name seemed to get stuck in Obama’s throat. Toward the end of his scripted remarks, which he read verbatim, the President said: “Vice President Biden just spoke with Prime Minister [pause] – the prime minister of Ukraine to assure him that in this difficult moment the United States supports his government’s efforts and stands for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and democratic future of Ukraine.”

Obama doesn’t usually stumble like that – especially when reading a text, and is normally quite good at pronouncing foreign names. Perhaps he worried that one of the White House stenographic corps might shout out, “You mean our man, Yats?” Obama departed right after reading his prepared remarks, leaving no opportunity for such an outburst.


Western media was abuzz with the big question: Will the Russians apply military force? The answer came quickly, though President Obama chose the subjunctive mood in addressing the question on Friday.

Throwing Down a Hanky

There was a surreal quality to President Obama’s remarks, several hours after Russian (or pro-Russian) troops took control of key airports and other key installations in the Crimea, which is part of Ukraine, and home to a large Russian naval base and other key Russian military installations.

Obama referred merely to “reports of military movements taken by the Russian Federation inside of Ukraine” and warned piously that “any violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing.”

That Obama chose the subjunctive mood – when the indicative was, well, indicated – will not be lost on the Russians. Here was Obama, in his typically lawyerly way, trying to square the circle, giving a sop to his administration’s neocon holdovers and R2P courtiers, with a Milquetoasty expression of support for the new-Nuland-approved government (citing Biden’s assurances to old whatshisname/yatshisname).

While Obama stuck to the subjunctive tense, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk appealed to Russia to recall its forces and “stop provoking civil and military resistance in Ukraine.”

Obama’s comments seemed almost designed to sound condescending – paternalistic, even – to the Russians. Already into his second paragraph of his scripted remarks, the President took a line larded with words likely to be regarded as a gratuitous insult by Moscow, post-putsch.

“We’ve made clear that they [Russian officials] can be part of an international community’s effort to support the stability of a united Ukraine going forward, which is not only in the interest of the people of Ukraine and the international community, but also in Russia’s interest.”

By now, Russian President Vladimir Putin is accustomed to Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, National Security Adviser Susan Rice, et al. telling the Kremlin where its interests lie, and I am sure he is appropriately grateful. Putin is likely to read more significance into these words of Obama:

“The United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine … and we will continue to coordinate closely with our European allies.”

Fissures in Atlantic Alliance

There are bound to be fissures in the international community and in the Western alliance on whether further provocation in Ukraine is advisable. Many countries have much to lose if Moscow uses its considerable economic leverage over natural gas supplies, for example.

And, aspiring diplomat though she may be, Victoria Nuland presumably has not endeared herself to the EC by her expressed “Fuck the EC” attitude.

Aside from the most servile allies of the U.S. there may be a growing caucus of Europeans who would like to return the compliment to Nuland. After all does anyone other than the most extreme neocon ideologue think that instigating a civil war on the border of nuclear-armed Russia is a good idea? Or that it makes sense to dump another economic basket case, which Ukraine surely is, on the EU’s doorstep while it’s still struggling to get its own economic house in order?

Europe has other reasons to feel annoyed about the overreach of U.S. power and arrogance. The NSA spying revelations – that continue, just like the eavesdropping itself does – seem to have done some permanent damage to transatlantic relationships.

In any case, Obama presumably knows by now that he pleased no one on Friday by reading that flaccid statement on Ukraine. And, more generally, the sooner he realizes that – without doing dumb and costly things – he can placate neither the neocons nor the R2P folks (naively well meaning though the latter may be), the better for everyone.

In sum, the Nulands of this world have bit off far more than they can chew; they need to be reined in before they cause even more dangerous harm. Broader issues than Ukraine are at stake. Like it or not, the United States can benefit from a cooperative relationship with Putin’s Russia – the kind of relationship that caused Putin to see merit last summer in pulling Obama’s chestnuts out of the fire on Syria, for example, and in helping address thorny issues with Iran.




Oligarchs Triumphant: Ukraine, Omidyar and the Neo-Liberal Agenda

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The Western intervention in Ukraine has now led the region to the brink of war. Political opposition to government of President Viktor Yanukovych -- a corrupt and thuggish regime, but as with so many corrupt and thuggish regimes one sees these days, a democratically elected one -- was funded in substantial part by organizations of or affiliated with the U.S. government, such as the National Endowment for Democracy (a longtime vehicle for Washington-friendly coups), and USAID. It also received substantial financial backing from Western oligarchs, such as billionaire Pierre Omidyar, founder of eBay and sole bankroller of the new venue for "adversarial" journalism, First Look, as Pandodaily reports.

Yanukovych sparked massive protests late last year when he turned down a financial deal from the European Union and chose a $15 billion aid package from Russia instead. The EU deal would have put cash-strapped Ukraine in a financial straitjacket, much like Greece, without actually promising any path for eventually joining the EU. There was one other stipulation in the EU's proffered agreement that was almost never reported: it would have also forbidden Ukraine to "accept further assistance from the Russians," as Patrick Smith notes in an important piece in Salon.com. It was a ruthless take-it-or-leave-it deal, and would have left Ukraine without any leverage, unable to parlay its unique position between East and West to its own advantage in the future, or conduct its foreign and economic policies as it saw fit. Yanukovych took the Russian deal, which would have given Ukraine cash in hand immediately and did not come with the same draconian restrictions.

It was a policy decision. It might have been the wrong policy decision; millions of Ukrainians thought so. Yanukovych, already unpopular before the deal, would have almost certainly been ousted from office by democratic means in national elections scheduled for 2015. But the outpouring of displeasure at this policy decision grew into a call for the removal of the government. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, Washington was maneuvering to put their preferred candidate, Arseniy Yatseniuk, in charge of the Ukrainian government, as a leaked tape of a conversation between Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary of state, and Geoffrey Pyatt, U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, clearly showed. It is worth noting that when Yanukovych was finally ousted from power -- after the opposition reneged on an EU-brokered deal for an interim unity government and new elections in December -- Arseniy Yatseniuk duly took charge of the Ukrainian government, as planned.

By all accounts, Viktor Yanukovych was an unsavoury character running an unsavoury government, backed by unsavoury oligarchs exploiting the country for their own benefit, and leaving it unnecessarily impoverished and chaotic. In this, he was not so different from his predecessors, or from many of those who have supplanted him, who also have oligarchic backing and dubious connections (see addendum below). But in any case, the idea of supporting an unconstitutional overthrow of a freely elected Ukrainian government in an uprising based squarely on the volatile linguistic and cultural fault-lines that divide the country seems an obvious recipe for chaos and strife. It was also certain to provoke a severe response from Russia. It was, in other words, a monumentally stupid line of policy (as Mike Whitney outlines here). Smith adds:

[U.S.] foreign policy cliques remain wholly committed to the spread of the neo-liberal order on a global scale, admitting of no exceptions. This is American policy in the 21st century. No one can entertain any illusion (as this columnist confesses to have done) that America’s conduct abroad stands any chance of changing of its own in response to an intelligent reading of the emerging post–Cold War order. Imposing “democracy,” the American kind, was the American story from the start, of course, and has been the mission since Wilson codified it even before he entered the White House. When the Cold War ended we began a decade of triumphalist bullying — economic warfare waged as “the Washington Consensus” — which came to the same thing.

American policy is based upon -- dependent upon -- a raging, willful, arrogant ignorance of other peoples, other cultures, history in general, and even the recent history of U.S. policy itself. The historical and cultural relationships between Ukraine and Russia are highly complex. Russia takes its national identity from the culture that grew up around what is now Kyiv; indeed, in many respects, Kyiv is where "Russia" was born. Yet one of the first acts of the Western-backed revolutionaries was to pass a law declaring Ukrainian as the sole state language, although most of the country speaks Russian or Surzhyk, "a motley mix of Ukrainian and Russian (sometimes with bits of Hungarian, Romanian and Polish)," as the LRB's Peter Pomerantsev details in an excellent piece on Ukraine's rich cultural and linguistic complexity. This is not to say that Ukrainians are not justified in being wary of Russia's embrace. Millions of Ukrainians died in the 1930s from the famine caused by inhuman policies imposed by a Moscow government (although that government was itself headed by a Georgian, in the name of a trans-national ideology). The complexity and volatility is always there. Today, as Smith puts it, "many Ukrainians see room for closer relations with the West; the more sensible seem to favor a variant of “third way” thinking, no either/or frame. Many fewer desire a decisive break with Russia."

Yet at every turn, the new Western-backed government in Kyiv has stomped hard on these volatile fault-lines, pushing stringent anti-Russian policies, with Western governments pretending that this would have no consequences, no reverberations in Moscow. What's more, the neo-fascist factions that played a leading role in the uprising are now calling for Ukraine to become a nuclear power again, having given up the Soviet nuclear weaponry on its territory in 1994. Indeed, hard-right leader Oleh Tyahnybok made nuclear re-armament one of the planks of his presidential race a few years ago. Now the party is sharing power in the Western-brokered government; will we soon see Ukraine added to the ranks of nuclear nations? With a bristling nuclearized frontier with Russia -- like the hair-trigger holocaust flashpoint between India and Pakistan?

Again we see the blind stupidity of arrogance, of entitlement, as the "Washington consensus" of elitist neo-liberalism continues its blundering away around the world.

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Now we stand on the brink of war over Crimea. Here too there are historical complexities entirely ignored by the media narrative. The Crimea was not considered part of Ukraine until it was simply tranferred by administrative edict in 1954 by the Soviet government, removing it from the Russian "socialist republic" to the jurisdiction of the Ukranian "socialist republic." When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Crimea became an autonomous republic operating under the constitution of Ukraine. Its population is about 60 percent Russian, yet this majority has had its language stripped of official status by the government in Kyiv which took power outside of constitutional means.

None of this justifies the heavy-handed muscle-flexing that Putin has been engaging in. But Russia, in post-Soviet times, with no trans-national ideology, has become a highly nationalist state. Putin is an authoritarian leader who now bases his threadbare claims to "legitimacy" -- and the dominance of his brutal clique -- on his championing of Russian nationalism and "traditional values". It is inconceivable that he would not consider the West's blatant interference in Ukraine to be an act of provocation and brinkmanship aimed at him and his regime, and that he would react accordingly.

So here we are. Chaos, strife, the threat of war -- and the heavy smoke of ignorance covering it all. Sleepwalking once more toward disaster. Deliberately setting tumultuous events in motion without the slightest concern for their ultimate consequences, or the suffering they will cause, now and perhaps for generations to come. (Think of Iraq, for example, or the spread of violence and chaos that has already flowed to many countries from the intervention in Libya's internal affairs.)

But why are we here? Greed. Greed and the lust for dominance. Let's not say "power," for that word carries positive connotations, and can also include an element of responsibility. But the oligarchs and ideologues, the militarists and ministers involved in this episode of Great Gamesmanship don't want power in any broader, deeper sense. What they want is dominance, to lord it over others -- physically, financially, psychologically. Among those at the top in this situation, on every side, there is not the slightest regard for the common good of their fellow human beings -- not even for those with whom they share some association by the accident of history or geography: language, nationality, ethnicity. The lust for loot and dominance outweighs all the rest, regardless of the heavy piety oozing from the rhetoric on all sides.

And if war is avoided, what is the likely outcome for Ukraine (aside from living in eternal tension with an enraged, threatened, authoritarian neighbor to the North)? Smith tells us: betrayal.

Instantly after Yanukovych was hounded from Kiev, seduction began its turn to betrayal. The Americans and Europeans started shuffling their feet as to what they would do for Ukrainians now that Russia has shut off the $15 billion tap. Nobody wants to pick up the bill, it turns out. Washington and the E.U. are now pushing the International Monetary Fund forward as the leader of a Western bailout.If the past is any guide, Ukrainians are now likely to get the "shock therapy" the economist Jeffrey Sachs urged in Russia, Poland and elsewhere after the Soviet Union's collapse. Sachs subsequently (and dishonestly) denied he played any such role -- understandable given the calamitous results, notably in Russia -- but the prescription called for off-the-shelf neoliberalism, applied without reference to any local realities, and Ukrainians are about to get their dosage.

It is wrong, as ahistorical thinking always is. Formerly communist societies, especially in the Eastern context, should logically advance first to some form of social democracy and then decide if they want to take things further rightward. Washington;s fear, evident throughout the Cold War, was that social democracies would demonstrate that they work -- so presenting a greater threat, paradoxically, than the Soviet model. Ukrainians favoring the Westward tilt, having idealized the E.U., appear to assume they are to evolve into some system roughly between the Scandinavians and Germany, as East Europeans earlier anticipated. They will thus find the I.M.F.'s deal shocking indeed. It will be bitter, after all the treacherous, carefully couched promises.

Whatever happens, it seems certain that oligarchs -- Western, Ukrainian, European or Russian, will continue to exercise dominance -- although some who backed the losing side too prominently may be cast down. Then again, most oligarchs, in every nation, are usually expert at playing both sides, or changing sides as necessary.

One is tempted to see this principle at work in the case of Pierre Omidyar, a prominent private backer of American efforts to fund and guide the Ukrainian opposition to power, as Pandodaily reported. Omidyar, who founded eBay and now owns PayPal, has recently become widely known -- and universally lauded -- for committing $250 million to fund First Look, a publishing group dedicated to adversarial journalism. He has assembled an all-star team for his venture, including Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Jeremy Scahill, Marcy Wheeler and others of similar reputation. It is no exaggeration to say that he has become a bonafide hero of the left, which has tended to dismiss all criticism or questioning of his new enterprise, or his wider operations, as the grumbling of jealous losers -- or even as covert actions of the State, trying to derail this dangerous new threat to elite rule.

Yet the fact remains that Omidyar's wider operations -- including those in Ukraine -- sit uneasily with the image of an adversarial paragon and danger to the system. Putting aside the troubling circumstance of adversarial activism being dependent on the personal whims of a billionaire, there is the fact that Omidyar's philanthropic vision lies largely in the monetizing of poverty relief efforts -- of turning them from charitable or government-based programs into money-making enterprises which reward investors with high returns while often leaving the recipients worse off than before. As nsfwcorp.com reports, these include micro-financing initiatives in India that have led to mass suicides among the debt-ridden poor, and "entrepreneurial" programs which bestow property rights on the small plots of slum-dwellers -- who, still in dire straits, sell them, for a pittance, to large-scale operators who then clear the ghettos for profitable developments, leaving the poor to find another shanty-town elsewhere. In this, Omidyar has partnered with Hernando de Soto, a right-wing "shock doctrinaire" and one-time advisor to former Peruvian dictator, Alberto Fujimori; de Soto is also an ally of the Koch Brothers. Omidyar has also poured millions of dollars into efforts to privatize, and profitize, public education in the United States and elsewhere, forcing children in some of the poorest parts of the world to pay for basic education -- or go without.

Thus Omidyar seems very much a part of the "neo-liberal order" which, as Patrick Smith noted above, the United States has been pushing "on a global scale, admitting of no exceptions." So it is not surprising to see him playing a role in trying to spread this order to Ukraine, in tandem with the overt efforts and backroom machinations of the U.S. government. Omidyar is, openly, a firm adherent of the neo-liberal order -- privitazing public assets for individual profit, converting charity and state aid to profitable enterprises for select investors, and working to elect or install governments that support these policies.

None of these activities are illegal. None of them necessarily preclude him also funding independent journalism. But I can't see that it is unreasonable to bring up these facts and point them out. I don't think it's unreasonable to apply the same kind of considered skepticism toward this billionaire oligarch that you would apply to any other. For instance, if one of First Look's websites publishes some blistering expose on the nasty machinations of some other oligarch or corporate figure, I don't think it will be unreasonable for people to look and see if the target happens to be a rival of Omidyar's in some way, or if his or her removal or humbling would benefit Omidyar's own business or political interests. One does the same with the New York Times and its obvious pro-Establishment agenda, or with Rupert Murdoch's newspapers, and so on; the wider context helps the reader put articles in perspective, and weigh them accordingly. It doesn't mean the facts of this or that particular story are untrue; it does mean they aren't swallowed whole, uncritically, without awareness of other agendas that might be in play.

This seems so elementary that it's almost embarrassing to point it out. Yet for the most part, anyone who raises these kinds of questions about Omidyar's media enterprise has been immediately shouted down, sometimes vociferously, by those who otherwise evince a savvy skepticism toward Big Money and its agendas. Many of those assailing the Pandodaily report about Omidyar and Ukraine pointed out that "this is the world we live in" -- a world dominated by Big Money -- and you have to make the best of a bad lot. And anyway, news outlets have always been owned by rich and powerful interests, and First Look is no different.

Well yes, exactly. And thus First Look -- owned solely by a neo-liberal billionaire, who, as Jeremy Scahill has pointed out, takes a very active interest in the daily workings of his news organization -- should be subject to the same standards of scrutiny as any other news outlet owned by the rich and powerful. But this doesn't seem to be happening; quite the opposite, in fact.

I think perhaps there might be a category mistake at work here. Because of the reputations of those who have signed up with Omidyar, the idea has taken hold that Omidyar is dedicated to throwing a broad light on the secret machinations of the national security state and its imperialist rampages around the world. But Scahill's statement intimates that Omidyar's "vision" is actually much more limited. The interview that Scahill gave to the Daily Beast, quoted by Pandodaily, is quite revealing. Below is an excerpt, somewhat longer than the Pando quote:

The whole venture will have a lower wall between owner and journalist than traditional media. Omidyar, he says, wanted to do the project because he was interested in Fourth Amendment issues, and they are hiring teams of lawyers, not just to keep the staff from getting sued, but to actively push courts on the First Amendment, to “force confrontation with the state on these issues.”

“[Omidyar] strikes me as always sort of political, but I think that the NSA story and the expanding wars put politics for him into a much more prominent place in his existence. This is not a side project that he is doing. Pierre writes more on our internal messaging than anyone else. And he is not micromanaging. This guy has a vision. And his vision is to confront what he sees as an assault on the privacy of Americans.”

Omidyar is passionately concerned about government encroachments on privacy, Scahill says, while noting -- somewhat ominously -- that the enterprise will have "a lower wall between owner and journalist than traditional media." You might think this would set off alarm bells in a longtime adversarial journalist like Scahill, but apparently not. In any case, Omidyar's entire neo-liberal ideology is based on the ability of wealthy individuals to operate free from government control as they circle the world in search of profit. (And also, if it happens, some social benefits by the way; but if one's profit-making initiatives turn out to drive hundreds of people to suicide, well, c'est la vie, eh?) Naturally, wealthy individuals also want to be free from government spying as they go about their business. They are happy to cooperate with the National Security State when there is mutual benefit to be had, as with Omidyar and his government partners in Ukraine -- but they want it to be on their terms. They want their own information to remain within their control. The overthrow of foreign governments, the invasion of foreign lands, the extrajudicial murder of people around the world, the militarization of American policy and society -- this does not really concern them. In fact, it helps them expand the parameters of their business and extend their neoliberal ideology. But the idea that the government might also be spying on them -- well, this is intolerable. This must be resisted, there must be a "confrontation" about such behavior.

I'm sure the writers hired by Omidyar's quarter of a billion dollars will produce work of value, dig up some useful facts. So does the Times, so does the now oligarch-owned Washington Post, so do Murdoch's papers on occasion. But I don't think Omidyar's enterprise has been set up to challenge the status quo or pose the "threat" to the system that its hero-worshippers are looking for. Indeed, even Greenwald calls only for "reforms" of the system, for "real oversight" of the National Security State by legislators -- the same legislators bought, sold, cowed and dominated by Big Money. I honestly don't think that the powers-that-be feel threatened by an enterprise set up by one of their number that confines itself to calls for "reform" from "within" -- especially when its sole owner continues to cooperate with the Koch Brothers, hard-right ideologues like Hernando de Soto and indeed with the National Security State itself in subversive adventures overseas.

Omidyar's goals are limited: to protect the privacy of the individual from government. This is a noble, worthy aim. But based on his own actions, he is perfectly content for that privacy-protected individual to advance a punishing neo-liberal agenda on the rest of the world, and at home, in collusion with the National Security State if need be. Whether Greenwald, Scahill, Taibbi, Wheeler and the rest are equally content with this agenda is something we will find out in the months to come.


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Addendum. Below is a passage cut out of the original text above, giving more detail on the opposition forces that the intervention by Omidyar and the U.S. government helped bring to power.

The occupation movement -- now the government -- is led by three main factions, one of which contains openly neo-fascist groups who -- while the protests were going on -- mounted a torchlight procession through the city of Lviv in honor of Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian fascist leader who joined with Nazi invaders in World War II and took part in mass murders of Jews. As Max Blumenthal reports:

After participating in a campaign to assassinate Ukrainians who supported accommodation with the Polish during the 1930’s, Bandera’s forces set themselves to ethnically cleanse western Ukraine of Poles in 1943 and 1944. In the process, they killed over 90,000 Poles and many Jews, whom Bandera’s top deputy and acting “Prime Minister,” Yaroslav Stetsko, were determined to exterminate. ... Lviv has become the epicenter of neo-fascist activity in Ukraine, with elected Svoboda officials waging a campaign to rename its airport after Bandera and successfully changing the name of Peace Street to the name of the Nachtigall Battalion, an OUN-B wing that participated directly in the Holocaust. “’Peace’ is a holdover from Soviet stereotypes,” a Svoboda deputy explained. ...

After participating in a campaign to assassinate Ukrainians who supported accommodation with the Polish during the 1930’s, Bandera’s forces set themselves to ethnically cleanse western Ukraine of Poles in 1943 and 1944. In the process, they killed over 90,000 Poles and many Jews, whom Bandera’s top deputy and acting “Prime Minister,” Yaroslav Stetsko, were determined to exterminate.

Svoboda is the name of the top nationalist party. As Blumenthal notes:

Svoboda's leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth.” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” .... Svoboda’s openly pro-Nazi politics have not deterred Senator John McCain from addressing a EuroMaidan rally alongside Tyahnybok, nor did it prevent Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland from enjoying a friendly meeting with the Svoboda leader this February.

In a leaked phone conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt, the US ambassador to Ukraine, Nuland revealed her wish for Tyahnybok to remain “on the outside,” but to consult with the US’s replacement for Yanukovich, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, “four times a week.” At a December 5, 2013 US-Ukraine Foundation Conference, Nuland boasted that the US had invested $5 billion to "build democratic skills and institutions" in Ukraine ...

As Smith puts it, the "the Nuland tape is the Rosetta Stone of the Ukrainian riddle. It was an early advisory that we were about to watch Washington at work corrupting the affairs of another nation, exactly as it has for the past 60–odd years elsewhere. Nothing new under the American sun, even as the afternoon light starts to fade."

Blumenthal has much more on the history of Ukrainian fascism, including the extensive and highly connected network established in American politics after WWII, when many of Bandera's party members -- Nazi collaborators and killers of Jews and Poles -- were funneled to the US, often with the CIA's help. He also notes that former Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko, the Western-hailed hero of the "Orange Revolution" that brought regime change to Ukraine 10 years ago, had named Bandera "National Hero of Ukraine" in 2010.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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