Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse?

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby guruilla » Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:53 pm

Have you read Norman O. Brown's Life Against Death? Brown developed Freud's ideas and took them into new areas. It's a brilliant book, or so I thought when last I read it (2011), & it wouldn't exist without Freud's many insights.

I mention it because I think there's a danger of painting Freudian theory with too wide a brush; while I'd agree that good fruit can't come from a rotten tree, I think the metaphor is only good to a certain degree - people aren't trees and insights aren't fruit.

Tempting as it may be to think that all psychoanalytical theory that owes any debt to Freud (i.e., all psychoanalytical theory) is fatally contaminated and part of an unconscious/conscious cover-up, there's too much evidence (for me) that there is real benefit to be had from applying some (not all) of Freud's insights. So he's still given something of real value to us, as individuals. I'd even say that the degree to which those ideas may be harmful (and susceptible to misuse) is proportionate precisely to the degree to which they contain genuine wisdom and potential healing benefits.

The case you made above is pretty astounding (hats off to you), but not only because it's damning. Isn't it equally astounding that so much good could come out of such an apparent fuck up?
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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:03 pm

guruilla » Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:53 pm wrote:Have you read Norman O. Brown's Life Against Death? Brown developed Freud's ideas and took them into new areas. It's a brilliant book, or so I thought when last I read it (2011), & it wouldn't exist without Freud's many insights. I mention it because I think there's a danger of painting Freudian theory with too wide a brush; while I'd agree that good fruit can't come from a rotten tree, I think the metaphor is only good to a certain degree - people aren't trees and insights aren't fruit.

Tempting as it may be to think that all psychoanalytical theory that owes any debt to Freud (i.e., all psychoanalytical theory) is fatally contaminated and part of an unconscious/conscious cover-up, there's too much evidence (for me) that there is real benefit to be had from applying some (not all) of Freud's insights. So he's still given something of real value to us, as individuals. I'd even say that the degree to which those ideas may be harmful (and susceptible to misuse) is proportionate precisely to the degree to which they contain genuine wisdom and potential healing benefits.
The case you made above is pretty astounding (hats off to you), but not only because it's damning. Isn't it equally astounding that so much good could come out of such an apparent fuck up?


In general, I'd say Freud himself limited the real potential that psychoanalytical theory could have become in various acts of self contamination. When presented with more wisdom and healing for the masses or more control and individual gain, he usually chose the latter. He did this repeatedly throughout his career by rejecting innovations (his own and others) and expelling the most creative members from his circle because they refused to accept his totalistic system, which he refused to make more adaptable and non-dogmatic to new (or even the old counter) evidence. He did this even when at the same time or later he adopted or adapted piece meal what he expelled them for. So, I don't see him so much mostly in the pioneer mold, but a trustee who was entrusted with a series of insights (some from his teachers/collaborators, some from literature/philosophy, some from him, and some from his disciples) who was very successful in popularizing but not in nurturing the discovery. He was more a Joseph Smith, when what was needed was a Brigham Young. It is no surprise he chose as his successor a daughter in which he also himself analyzed and was dependent on him professionally. He finally found someone he had the utmost control of.

Insight wise, I agree, there is much there. (I haven't read the Brown book.) But I think, as many have noted, Freud is better at process than causation. It is unfortunate his own flaws prevented him from taking psycho-analysis farther than it could have. He more than anyone was responsible for creating a number of competing sects in a movement that surely could have benefited from accommodated diverse styles and theories. I mean, psycho-analysis had no rigorous scientific results other than supposed cures. Even a practicing shaman could have brought much to the table theory and cure record wise then.
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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby guruilla » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:14 pm

I just got a copy of Dostoyevsky's The Possessed from the library (to read "Stavrogin's Confession"), and found this in the intro:

"Freud, who claimed that creative writers were the true discoverers of the unconscious, drew his own conception of the unconscious partly from the reading of Dostoyevsky, whom he considered the greatest of all novelists."

Didn't Freud aspire to being a writer or some kind of artist?
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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:14 pm

Don't know what to make of the OP. Seems ridiculous to critique Freud and subject him to the sort of analysis based on the theories he came up with that are being critiqued. Seems stupid really.

The Oedipus theory was his way of ingratiating himself with the powers that be and covering up for them Freud was the cleaner and facilitator. It wasn't a cop out. It was a cop in.

He made locking up the victims simply on the say-so of the perpetrators legal and respectable. He is in fact the father of False Memory Syndrome. Were he were alive he'd be on the board of the foundation and touring the expert witness circuit along with Loftus et al. It's called science and is opposed to witch hunting.

Freud, comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted. To think there are people, even here, who praise and admire him.

Read Fitzgerald's Tender is the Night. There's a damning critique. Probably why the world sleeps on it.

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:18 pm

guruilla » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:14 pm wrote:I just got a copy of Dostoyevsky's The Possessed from the library (to read "Stavrogin's Confession"), and found this in the intro:

"Freud, who claimed that creative writers were the true discoverers of the unconscious, drew his own conception of the unconscious partly from the reading of Dostoyevsky, whom he considered the greatest of all novelists."

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This is the same Freud who claimed artists often didn't know what they were saying and that without him no one else would?

Whoever wrote the intro is spouting BS.

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:53 pm

vanlose kid wrote:
"Don't know what to make of the OP. Seems ridiculous to critique Freud and subject him to the sort of analysis based on the theories he came up with that are being critiqued. Seems stupid really.


You don't think the primary events and people that shaped Freud's life have no bearing on the theories he championed or dismissed? Especially events and people that are examples of those theories? And when so much of Freud's oeuvre was autobiographical? I think you are right, you don't know what to make of the OP.

vanlose kid wrote:
The Oedipus theory was his way of ingratiating himself with the powers that be and covering up for them Freud was the cleaner and facilitator. It wasn't a cop out. It was a cop in. He made locking up the victims simply on the say-so of the perpetrators legal and respectable. He is in fact the father of False Memory Syndrome. Were he were alive he'd be on the board of the foundation and touring the expert witness circuit along with Loftus et al. It's called science and is opposed to witch hunting.


Thanks for contemporizing the thread and re-stating the obvious for those who may have missed it.

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Freud, comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted. To think there are people, even here, who praise and admire him.
Read Fitzgerald's Tender is the Night. There's a damning critique. Probably why the world sleeps on it.*


Got it. Stop thinking about (and admiring?) Freud and read F. Scott Fitzgerald instead. Any other books you are reading in high school right now that you want to turn us on to? I hear The Hunger Games is good.

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:11 pm

brekin » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:53 pm wrote:vanlose kid wrote:
"Don't know what to make of the OP. Seems ridiculous to critique Freud and subject him to the sort of analysis based on the theories he came up with that are being critiqued. Seems stupid really.


You don't think the primary events and people that shaped Freud's life have no bearing on the theories he championed or dismissed? Especially events and people that are examples of those theories? And when so much of Freud's oeuvre was autobiographical? I think you are right, you don't know what to make of the OP.

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You'd have to be a Freudian, or something very much like it, to be able to so misrepresent something in order to score vanity points. The OP does not, as you say, merely claim that "the primary events and people that shaped Freud's life have no bearing on the theories he championed or dismissed". It subjects Freud to Freudian analysis, and at a distance at that, which results in two things. One it reaffirms the theory it is criticizing. And it models itself on a form of "analytic practice" Freud and Freudians are wont to make use of. Viz., his analyses of Dostoevsky and Da Vinci.

All of which renders the OP extremely, unutterably stupid. That I cannot make much of. But as you think you can make a golden mountain out of it, fine. All power to you and the academy. As for the rest of your put downs. I can't be bothered. Have a nice day.

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:14 pm

For reference, sense and to counter the Viennese quack's lack of it.

Dostoevsky's Demons
Joseph Frank finishes his biographical masterpiece.
Rene Girard
May 20, 2002, Vol. 7, No. 35

Dostoevsky
The Mantle of the Prophet, 1871-1881
by Joseph Frank
Princeton University Press, 812 pp., $35

FOR MORE THAN twenty-five years, Joseph Frank has been writing the biography of Fyodor Dostoevsky. In 1976, he published "Seeds of Revolt, 1821-1849," followed by "The Years of Ordeal, 1850-1859," "The Stir of Liberation, 1860-1865," and "The Miraculous Years, 1865-1871."

Now, at last, we have the fifth and final volume--"The Mantle of the Prophet, 1871-1881"--and it is the richest of Frank's monumental work, its 812 pages covering the last decade of Dostoevsky's life. All of Frank's volumes contain analyses of Dostoevsky's novels original enough to interest the knowledgeable, yet lucid enough to help those unable to distinguish, say, Alexander Ivanovich from Ivan Alexandrovich.

But it is, above all, the profound social and personal history that makes Frank's volumes stand above other studies of the great Russian novelist. Because of Dostoevsky's increase in fame before his death--indeed, because of his prestige with both the revolutionary youth and the imperial court--the story of the novelist's life in these years expands into a social, cultural, and even political history of Russia at a crucial point in the disintegration of the old tsarist order.

In "The Mantle of the Prophet," as in "The Miraculous Years," Dostoevsky's second wife, Anna Grigoryevna, plays a central role. She is our main source of knowledge for the last twenty years of the novelist's life and the most important person in that life. Her role has often been minimized by scholars. The problem is that she seems to have been sensible and efficient enough to make her husband happy in an almost bourgeois sense of the word--which is, naturally, horrifying to those committed to a vision of Dostoevsky as "the mad Russian mystic."

The story of Anna Grigoryevna is a remarkable one. Against her family's advice, she decided, at age twenty-two, to marry a forty-two-year-old convict who was also an epileptic, a pathological gambler, and the odd man of Russian literature. She entered his life as an efficient stenographer, and she continued in this role until his death, quickly becoming his financial manager and protector against his greedy relatives. She never reproached him about his gambling, it seems, but, within a few years, he suddenly ceased to gamble. She certainly brought about that change, but not even Joseph Frank seems to know how.

Above all, Anna was a mother and a wife. She was as solid and real as Dostoevsky's first wife was fragile and fake. She was the greatest blessing in his life, even when, at the beginning of their marriage, her husband lost their last, painfully borrowed ruble at the roulette table. (The lender of last resort was Anna's own mother, who was far from rich.) Joseph Frank is too conscientious a biographer to lapse into hagiography. He does not hide, for example, Anna's tendency to make both her husband and herself look better than they were. But Frank's uncompromising honesty ends up making Anna seem almost heroic. There was great suffering in her marriage, no doubt, especially the death of children, but there was more happiness.

THE MOST STUBBORN MYTH about Dostoevsky is his "sexual abnormality," a thesis countersigned by Sigmund Freud himself. In the course of his five-volume biography, however, Joseph Frank quietly demolishes it. This myth has two origins. The first is the famous Stavrogin confession about the rape of a little girl in "Demons" (the 1872 novel sometimes translated under the title "The Devils" or "The Possessed"), which readers who dislike Dostoevsky tend to regard as his vicarious confession. And the second is Freud's essay "Dostoevsky and Parricide," which is more against its subject than about him. What horrifies Freud is Dostoevsky's political ideas and, above all, his apparent anti-Semitism.

One can share Freud's sentiments without sharing Freud's certainty that bad political ideas mean a bad sex life. Building upon the dubious Freudian foundation of Dostoevsky's "latent homosexuality," many critics have assumed that he was not really interested in his wife. The sole reason he married Anna, so the story goes, was his need for the "sister of charity" that he shrewdly detected in her, and he cynically exploited the poor girl in his own selfish interest. She is thus, in most studies of Dostoevsky, mainly an object of rather distant commiseration: "the obviously sexually unfulfilled Anna Grigoryevna."

No one, it seems, bothered with the original sources before Joseph Frank--who has come up with a letter to Anna mailed from Germany, where his physician had sent the novelist "to take the waters." Dostoevsky does more than politely insist he misses his wife; he mentions an erotic dream he had about her and refers to a prior letter from Anna in which she mentioned "some indecent thoughts" that she had about her husband.

Sexy letters between the Dostoevskys, seven years after their marriage! Who could have imagined it? Frank quotes this precious correspondence without even alluding to the myths crashing to the ground all around him. But it is a massive joke on the postmodern sex police and their hostile profiling of the novelist whose understanding of human motivation in such books as "Notes from Underground," "The Gambler," "Demons," and "The Eternal Husband"--to say nothing of "Crime and Punishment," "The Idiot," and "The Brothers Karamazov"--is almost incomprehensibly far beyond their simple and easy explanations.

So what is it that Dostoevsky saw? The novel most immediately relevant to our contemporary scene may be "Demons," in which he captures the essence of nihilistic eruptions. The Dostoevsky who wrote "Demons" was very different from the young novelist whose first novel, "Poor Folk," had been praised thirty years before by the famous critic V.G. Belinsky as a model of politically engaged fiction. Belinsky was a romantic liberal, of course, and so was his protege Dostoevsky: Like most educated Russians, they were ashamed of their country's backwardness, and they looked to Europe for models of westernization, especially England and France.

It's fascinating to observe that in nineteenth-century Russia--just as in France before the Revolution--the aristocrats and the intellectual classes were fashionably estranged from their own religious and cultural traditions (in Russia, this included the Russian language, which was replaced with French even inside the family). In his eagerness to demonstrate that he was a sincere liberal, the young Dostoevsky did so well that he had himself arrested and sentenced to what turned out to be a mock execution, although he didn't know that until the last second. He was sent to Siberia where he spent four years in a penal colony and then four more years in the Russian army. The experience changed Dostoevsky, and he rejected all radical chic to espouse the religious, social, and political attitudes of the so-called slavophiles, the generally despised defenders of Russian tradition. In this Dostoevskian conservatism, however, the influence of the French socialists and their utopian Christianity remains visible.

AT FIRST, this great political and spiritual revolution had no noticeable effect on the novelist's fiction, which remained maudlin and sentimental until, in 1864, he published his first masterpiece, "Notes from Underground." In this short novel, an abominably wretched character--who is also a thoroughly "modern" and "liberated" individual, the prototype of the twentieth-century anti-hero--recounts his grotesque adventures. The underground man spends most of his time alone in his apartment, getting drunk on the idea of his freedom; he sees limitless possibilities ahead and his ambition soars vertiginously. When he rejoins his fellow men, however, his exaltation turns to ashes and he becomes "an acutely conscious mouse" incapable of the great deeds contemplated in his solitary dreams.

This story gives concrete content to Dostoevsky's belief that the abandonment of Christianity drives modern man into a hell of his own making. Instead of the heavenly self-worship he anticipates, the anti-hero becomes full of self-doubt when he rejoins the world. His uncertainty compels him to enslave himself to those who seem to embody the mastery to which he aspires. The underground man compulsively bows to all those who offend, disdain, and ignore him. The modern attempt at self-worship generates its opposite, self-enslavement.

The underground man forgets his timidity only with people manifestly weaker: a poor prostitute, for instance, who is ready to love him in a disinterested fashion. Instead of joining with her, he sordidly avenges on her pathetic weakness the rebuffs and humiliations suffered at the hands of more intimidating others. The famous "love-hate relationship" in Dostoevsky is the foremost underground passion, a form of envy so extreme that it turns to idolatry. The social and political significance of the story is underlined by its setting in St. Petersburg, the new city built by Peter the Great, the tsar who tried to westernize Russia. The anti-hero is one of his thousands of civil servants who compete for insignificant rewards, fantastically magnified by the rivalrous equality of all.

In "Notes from Underground," the word "underground" refers to the hero's need to hide his own shame and return to his solitary dreams when his morbid fascination with others becomes too grotesque. In later writing, the word acquired for the novelist a quasi-technical significance. It refers to all modalities of the compulsive idolatry that Dostoevsky kept portraying--in his attempt to dissuade Russia from listening to the siren songs of modernization and westernization.

The two main idols of that modern, godless universe are money and sex. After "Notes from Underground," Dostoevsky dealt with money in "The Gambler" (1866) and sex in "The Eternal Husband" (1870), perhaps his most profound book. It is the story of a man driven underground by the infidelity of his wife. The rather ordinary fellow who has cuckolded him turns into an object of hatred and worship combined. Freud was correct in noticing the attraction the wife's lover exerts on the eternal husband, but Freud went on to decide that the author's own unconscious desire was expressing itself in the story--and hence Dostoevsky was a latent homosexual.

The simpler reading is that what the eternal husband wants to learn from his wife's seducer is the secret of seduction. What he desires is not his rival's body--a ridiculous idea, really--but that rival's expertise as a lover. He would like to become an eternal lover himself, rather than an eternal husband and an eternal cuckold. Like all underground people, the eternal husband is modern and liberated, especially in regard to sex. Far from solving his problem, however, this makes it worse. The idolatry of sex is destructive not merely of the old structure of the family but of sex itself. The eternal husband is a victim not of superstition but of obsessive rationality. He sees the seducer of his wife as a sexual expert whose services he tries to enlist.

IN DOSTOEVSKY'S VIEW, political radicalism is one of many manifestations of the underground--and the worst of them. The radicals suffer from underground symptoms; they perpetually enslave themselves to people whom they would not hate if they did not idolize them, and instead of blaming themselves for this weakness, they project it onto society as a whole. They confuse their own personal underground with a repressive social and political order which may or may not exist objectively. When underground discontent is on the rise, it powerfully influences the community in the direction of laxity. The religious, cultural, ethical, and educational underpinnings of social life weaken and begin to disintegrate. As more and more traditions are discarded, permissiveness increases. Instead of gratefully acknowledging the trend, the politicized underground denies it and sees the opposite trend: more and more oppression and repression that must be countered by more and more violence.

Dostoevsky's "Demons" illustrates this historical process, and the best part of it is the satiric treatment of what Dostoevsky himself was in the 1840s, an idealistic liberal. The character who embodies the type, Stepan Trofimovich Verkhovensky, may be his creator's greatest achievement as a novelist. He is a charming but ineffectual and ultimately superficial old man, full of elegant but totally disembodied French. He's been made pass by brutal events, and he's completely disregarded by the nihilists--so much so that when the police are stupid enough to search his rooms, he feels briefly rejuvenated and proclaims himself "a living reproach" to the motherland.

Dostoevsky's satire does not prevent him from feeling some secret affection for his pathetic character. In the end, the novelist makes him the only symbol of redemption in the book. Coming back to his senses on his deathbed, Stepan Trofimovich reproaches himself for helping unleash the plague of nihilism upon Russia, and he converts to his ancestral Christian faith. Far from proving the inferiority of Russia, the underground propensities of the Russians are a sign that spiritual life, even though imperiled, is not yet extinct among them.

The Dostoevskian underground is a powerful notion for understanding our current situation, far more powerful than simply a tool for comprehending the Russians. It is thus a disappointment to see--as Joseph Frank's volume makes clear--that Dostoevsky himself tends to fall into underground symptoms when he moves beyond Russia to examine the simultaneously despised and idolized West. His tremendous mastery of human relations and their significance collapses into a kind of underground chauvinism as soon as he shifts from the national to the international plane.

Still, Dostoevsky was above all the prophet who, half a century before the Bolshevik revolution, warned about the forthcoming catastrophe. And if he embraced some of the narrow nationalism and other prejudices of the slavophiles, it may be in part because the slavophiles were the only Russians who seemed actively sympathetic to him at the time. In spite of his greatness, Dostoevsky was not quite great enough to go it completely alone, intellectually and spiritually.

He died on January 28, 1881, in St. Petersburg, not long after the publication of "The Brothers Karamazov." It's there we find--in the passage in which Ivan Karamazov tells the legend of Jesus Christ's returning to the world, only to encounter the Grand Inquisitor--Dostoevsky's most famous analysis of modern culture's repudiation of its religious inheritance in favor of Enlightenment philosophy's narcissistic individualism. And it's there in "The Brothers Karamazov" as well that we find--in the unconditional love the dying Zossima wills--Dostoevsky's answer.

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:38 pm

vanlose kid » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:11 pm wrote:
brekin » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:53 pm wrote:vanlose kid wrote:
"Don't know what to make of the OP. Seems ridiculous to critique Freud and subject him to the sort of analysis based on the theories he came up with that are being critiqued. Seems stupid really.


You don't think the primary events and people that shaped Freud's life have no bearing on the theories he championed or dismissed? Especially events and people that are examples of those theories? And when so much of Freud's oeuvre was autobiographical? I think you are right, you don't know what to make of the OP.

...

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You'd have to be a Freudian, or something very much like it, to be able to so misrepresent something in order to score vanity points. The OP does not, as you say, merely claim that "the primary events and people that shaped Freud's life have no bearing on the theories he championed or dismissed". It subjects Freud to Freudian analysis, and at a distance at that, which results in two things. One it reaffirms the theory it is criticizing. And it models itself on a form of "analytic practice" Freud and Freudians are wont to make use of. Viz., his analyses of Dostoevsky and Da Vinci.*


Are you talking about my OP? Of course is doesn't
merely claim that "the primary events and people that shaped Freud's life have no bearing on the theories he championed or dismissed".
It implies the opposite. Have you read any of the thread? Or did you read the thread title and it triggered some pet Freud grumble of yours? The analysis of Freud here is hardly Freudian, it is the opposite. Freud started to realize that he and his siblings shared many of the same symptoms that his clients who were sexual abused by their parents had. He was faced with the fact that there was a good chance his father had possibly sexual abused him and/or his siblings. Struggling with this, he opted to believe that it was not a fact but instead a universal wish/fantasy that he, his siblings, and his patients all creatively shared. That isn't Freudian, but simple biography that challenges Freudian dogma. Do you understand the difference? You do realize people were influenced by their parents before Freud, right?
All of which renders the OP extremely, unutterably stupid. That I cannot make much of. But as you think you can make a golden mountain out of it, fine. All power to you and the academy. As for the rest of your put downs. I can't be bothered. Have a nice day.


Yes, your misunderstanding of things renders them stupid. I to believe things I cannot make much of are extremely, unutterably stupid and ridiculous. The upper reaches of math, science, philosophy, advanced pokemon, etc to me are stupid. Those who waste their time examining and considering facts in things I cannot make much of are silly willies. I mean haven't they read Tender is the Night? It's all there already laid out for us. Please, you must excuse me now as I take my leave and retire back inside the golden mountain to confer with the academy.

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby guruilla » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:01 am

It's hard to make sense of what just happened at this thread. Vanlose came bursting in with a couple of possible insights couched, or buried, in vitriol-soaked generalities that seem to indicate a) a deep and more emotional than rational dislike of Freud/Freudians; and b) a need to defend Dostoyevsky's sexual functions.

As a result, he thoroughly alienated brekin, the OP-er (who's responded more or less in kind), and apparently rendered null & void any possibility of a meaningful dialogue. Reasons remain unknown -- why post at a thread with no real interest in discussing the finer points raised, but only in insisting that it is all too stupid to merit one's attention?

The valid insight in all of this sturm and drang, for me, is that brekin has been using Freudian theory to debunk Freud, and by extension, Freudian theory. I think there's merit in this, especially insofar as all psychoanalytical theory owes a debt to Freud, or at least to the ideas and insights that came into collective awareness via Freud and his works, not the least of which being the idea that early experiences create an imprint on the psyche through which all our perceptions, and hence actions and experiences, are filtered -- and hence to some degree even shaped by.

This could be called a "theory" with historical connections to Freud; but of course it goes way further back (Freud or anyone else could have deduced it from previous writings, fictional & philosophical, throughout history, and/or simple close observation of life), and I would call it less a theory than an inescapable truth of human existence, at least in our present social arrangements.

My point being that Freud's ideas (which weren't really his but which got stamped with his particular psychic imprint on their way to the collective) have been so firmly embedded in our culture (our agreed upon interpretation of human relations, etc.) that there's no way not to apply them, whether we are deconstructing Freud, Dostoyevsky, or anyone else.

Funnily enough, in my last post I was going to bring up my own sense that, underneath all of the comments at this thread, and perhaps the very unconscious drive that spawned it, is an internal struggle to get free of the influence of our respective fathers. To expose them in their fallibility and so undo the negative imprint of our paternal conditioning. Freud thereby becomes an example, but also, potentially (the risk is), a straw man (being dead & gone after all).

In a word, the struggle to depose Freud from his psychoanalytical throne is . . . all very Oedipal.

So perhaps it's wonder that emotions started to fly, and a strange sort of sibling rivalry spilled out onto the "page," seemingly from nowhere....?
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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:57 pm

From the intro of A Most Dangerous Method, pg 10.
[...] "The resulting confrontation was scientifically destructive and personally savage. It does not do Freud credit that in order to reassert his property rights, he turned all too readily to the means that lay closest at hand. Making out of his new therapeutic tool a weapon, Freud attempted to use what he knew about Jung's personal life to exert a measure of essentially ideological control that the younger man found intolerable. It does not do Jung credit that in trying to counteract this pressure while yet remaining the official president of the movement, he began to toy with the idea of introducing a Christianized version of psychoanalysis. This only accelerated the pace of Freud's insinuations, until finally Jung threatened to retaliate in kind by revealing what he knew about Freud's personal life. The actual outcome, in which each man found the liberty to go his own way, was predictable only in retrospect. For a time, it was all the two men could do to keep the more ruinous possibilities of their situation from running riot and wrecking everything they had worked so hard to build up. Their final act of collaboration was to accept the fact that they were stalemated."


pg. 15

Let me close this introduction with one final comment by way of a warning. The story that follows is not a nice one. It is not a love story. Nor is it one of those edifying stories about how a few intrepid men and women made a scientific breakthrough. If I could characterize it in a single phrase I would say that it is an unusually gruesome ghost story, where the ghost who finally devours all the people in the end is not a being but a theory--and a way of listening. When men first decided they had the power to understand one another in an entirely new way, it should not surprise us that the results could be tragic.
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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:09 pm

While the pizzeria was being raided...Clement Freud (grandson of Freud and brother of Lucian) exposed as prolific abuser.

Wife apologizes after Clement Freud, grandson of famed psychoanalyst Sigmund, accused of abusing girls

The wife of late British broadcaster and politician Sir Clement Freud has issued an apology to his alleged sexual abuse victims, saying she is “shocked, deeply saddened and profoundly sorry” for the actions of her husband of 58 years. Jill Freud, 89, said she sincerely hoped the women who accused him “will now have some peace.”

Allegations that Freud — a grandson of psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud and brother of painter Lucian Freud — was a pedophile, who sexually abused girls as young as 10 for decades, were aired on British television on Tuesday night. The story unfolded after one of his alleged victims, Sylvia Woosley, contacted ITV’s Exposure documentary team. She was put in touch with the team by a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, who noticed a comment she made online under an obituary he wrote after Freud’s death in 2009. She described herself as “one of his 1000s of sexual ‘victims,’ still surviving” and Freud as “an evil, conniving, ruthless user for his own bottomless ego of all he came in contact with.”
Since the documentary aired, former ambassador Murray said he had been contacted by more people claiming to be victims of Freud. “I have been contacted by seven people this morning,” he told The Independent on Wednesday. “I don’t have concrete intelligence, but it seeks there are a lot of claims that there is more stuff out there.”

He drew a comparison with the case of British TV entertainer Jimmy Savile, whose abuse victims came “pouring out once the gates [were] opened.”
Woosley said Freud befriended her family in 1948 and began abusing her when she was 10 years old. Four years later, in the wake of a family crisis, her mother asked Freud and his wife Jill to care for Sylvia. She claims the abuse continued until she moved away at age 19. “I just want to clear things up before I die … I want to die clean,” Woosley, in her late 70s, said in the documentary. “Having been so hard on myself, trying to destroy myself so many times, you can’t bury the truth forever, it needs to be heard.”

“I would just like to return to the child I was before I was molested physically, before I was introduced to that side of life too early,” she said.
A second woman, who wishes to remain anonymous, told the documentary team that Freud began abusing her in the 1970s, when she was 11, and “brutally and perfunctorily” raped her when she was 18. “I live in constant terror that I’ll be found out, exposed,” she told the program. “I’ve already suffered across nearly 40 years. It’s not simply to be labelled as depression or mental illness, this is disempowerment, self-destructiveness and grief.
“This is what real suffering looks like.”

Detectives investigating the disappearance in 2007 of 3-year-old Madeleine McCann have also been alerted to the fact Freud had a villa at the resort where she went missing. He befriended the McCanns in the weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance, although his family says he was not in Portugal at the time she disappeared. The McCanns are said to be “horrified” at the revelations of pedophilia.

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ing-girls/

Exclusive: Former ambassador who helped uncover paedophile accusations tells The Independent that more abuse claims are emerging

Adam Lusher
Wednesday 15 June 2016 12:24 BST
A former British ambassador has revealed he has been approached by several people making further claims of sexual abuse by Clement Freud, amid fears the MP and broadcaster could have sexually abused dozens more children.
Freud has been accused of abusing young girls between the 1940s and 1970s. The allegations have been made by two women, Sylvia Woosley and an anonymous woman, who claim he abused them as children. The second woman says he raped her when she was 18.
The Independent can now reveal that, after helping expose Freud’s paedophilia, the former British ambassador Craig Murray has been contacted by people making further claims of abuse by Freud.
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Kate and Gerry McCann 'will be appalled' by Freud paedophile claims

Mr Murray, who says there must now be serious questions asked over whether senior political figures knew of his behaiour, said: “I have had all kinds of people contacting me, telling me that they knew about this behaviour – not victims, but people who were told about it, people who knew victims.
“I have been contacted by seven people this morning. I don’t have concrete intelligence, but it seems there are a lot of claims that there is more stuff out there.”
“The same as with Jimmy Savile,” he added, “This stuff comes pouring out once the gates are opened.”

Mr Murray revealed that after he posted a favourable obituary of Freud on his blog following the broadcaster's death in 2009, an anonymous comment was left underneath the article by a woman saying Freud had abused her.
The comment reads: “Writing as one of his 1000s of sexual ‘victims’, still surviving, terrified as I write for fear he is not yet quite yet dead – the man was an evil, conniving, ruthless user for his own bottomless ego of all he came into contact with.
“Our children – boys and girls are all that much safer for his demise.

“And that is just the tip of an iceberg of political and media dirty dealings that reaches into the heart of the broken Britain he has left behind him.
“His family will now, unfortunately, reap the rage and revenge of those he destroyed and their much needed justice for his many heinous – still untold – actions.”
After being contacted by ITV in 2015, Mr Murray contacted the woman and helped put her in touch with the makers of the documentary, in which she claims that Freud, whom she met in 1971, groomed her from the age of 11, abused her at 14, and violently raped her at 18.
Her testimony added to that of Ms Woosley, who said that Freud began sexually touching her in 1952, when she was 14.
Sylvia Woosley: "I would like to just return to the child I was, before I was molested physically"

On Tuesday night, Mr Murray published another blog entry, entitled ‘Clement Freud, my part in his downfall', which he says has prompted people to contact him with further claims of abuse.
Mr Murray, who lost his job as British ambassador to Uzbekistan in 2004 after speaking out about human rights abuses in the country, said: “It seems astonishing now that paedophilia seems to have been quite so rampant among senior people and plainly, as with Cyril Smith, [with whom Freud shared an office in the House of Commons], as with Greville Janner, quite a few people knew about it.”
Mr Murray’s remarks will add to anxieties that there were long-held suspicions about Freud’s activities that were not acted upon.
Whistleblowing controversies of the last decade

Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, told the Daily Mail that Freud had ‘been on the radar’ of the charity.
Mr Saunders said: ‘About 12 years ago, before his death, something was said to me about an allegation of rape concerning him. At the time, I never thought it would go anywhere because he was rich and powerful. Later I spoke to a friend at Rape Crisis, and she said his name had come up in her world too, a long time ago, but she couldn’t remember the details.’
Mr Murray, 57, also revealed that he had his own first-hand experience of Freud’s predatory behaviour towards much younger, but adult women, dating from when he was a first-year student at Dundee University and Freud was rector there.

Mr Murray said he saw the president of the students association emerge “yelling and swearing” after a phone call from Freud.
“He was saying that Freud had phoned him and asked him to line up female students for him and was trying to use him as ‘a pimp’.”
At the time, Freud was about 35 years older than the students.
Mr Murray, who later became rector of Dundee University himself, said friends from his student days had also heard about Freud’s behaviour towards younger women.
“At my last birthday [in October] they told similar anecdotes, about sexually predatory behaviour towards young students, and towards students coming to him, as rector, with problems. It wasn’t illegal, but it wasn’t pleasant.”

Mr Murray added that his 2009 online obituary of Freud had also received the comment of one reader claiming: “He was a notorious old goat and his pursuit of young women could verge on the sinister. I met one of his young ‘victims’ who told me about a job interview with him turning into a very traumatic experience.”
Mr Murray said that senior Liberals who were in charge when Freud was an MP between 1973 and 1987 must have known at least about Freud’s “aggressive sexual approaches” to much younger adult women, and they should have expelled him from the party.
He said: “It seems to me unlikely that the senior party had no inkling. If he was aggressively approaching people at job interviews, then it must have got back to the party leadership. It was continual behaviour. It can’t just have not been noticeable at all.
“He certainly shouldn’t have been in politics. There has to be very serious questions about what people knew.”

At the time of Freud’s death, one former MP, who knew nothing about Freud’s alleged sexually aggressive behaviour towards younger women or about his alleged paedophilia, did refer to his “famed reputation as a womaniser.”
But most obituaries made only oblique reference to Freud’s womanising.
Mr Murray said that he had “no inkling” of any paedophilia allegations when he wrote his obituary of Freud in 2009, and admitted he didn’t want to reveal what he had heard about Freud’s behaviour to much younger women.
“You just don’t feel like digging it up once someone has died,” he said.
He added: “I am glad the woman did make those comments on my blog. At the time she came forward the ITV researcher had only one person talking about this, and you can’t stand up a story with just one source.
“If it wasn’t for that comment appearing on my blog, I don’t think this ever would have come to light.”

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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:56 pm

Revealed: Police launch probe into what Clement Freud knew about Maddie as we uncover new details about ex-MP's disturbing relationship with the McCanns

Another astonishing twist in case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Freud befriended the McCanns in Praia da Luz, in the western Algarve
With laid-back security the area became a hive of paedophile activity
Freud invited McCanns around for lunch two months after disappearance


By David Jones for the Daily Mail
Published: 20:12 EDT, 24 June 2016 | Updated: 03:42 EDT, 25 June 2016

Every last, tenuous lead had been followed to its conclusion, every unlikely theory had been explored. Witnesses were re-examined, morsels of evidence painstakingly re-evaluated. Yet still there was nothing.
So, by the end of this summer, the last rites in Operation Grange — the Metropolitan Police’s five-year, £12 million investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann — were expected to have been played out.
Met chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe warned that the end was approaching in a radio interview two months ago. The team of detectives working on the case had been cut from more than 30 to two or three, he said, and when they had followed one remaining line of inquiry, the plug would have to be pulled.


Police are investigating what Freud knew about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann


Last Wednesday, I can reveal, two detectives from Operation Grange were quietly dispatched to Somerset to pursue a new avenue of inquiry. They spent 90 minutes interviewing Vicky Haynes, the 64-year-old grandmother who, in a haunting Daily Mail interview last week, told how she had been sexually abused as a 14-year-old girl by the late broadcaster, humorist, politician and chef Sir Clement Freud.
For Mrs Haynes suspects that Freud — who owned a secluded villa in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, a few hundred yards from the Ocean Club holiday complex from which Madeleine vanished in May 2007 — harboured crucial information about her fate.

And she fears that when the celebrated former Liberal MP died, aged 84, in 2009, he may have taken this grisly secret to his grave. Indeed, her son, Mason, told me he first emailed the Operation Grange team, to alert them to this disturbing suspicion, some three years ago, after they learned that Freud not only kept a holiday home in Praia da Luz, but that he invited Gerry and Kate McCann to lunch there, just two months after Madeleine went missing.
Mason is nobody’s fool nor a conspiracy theorist. This towering man is one of the world’s most respected close-protection guards.
Yet he says the Grange team either ignored or forgot about his message, and ‘apologetically’ retrieved it only this week after his mother told her story to the Mail.
‘When I heard about the connection between Clement Freud and the McCanns, a light-bulb was switched on in my head,’ he told me. ‘It makes no sense for a man we now know to have been a predatory paedophile to have invited them into his life, at that time, unless he had some ulterior motive.


‘My theory is that if you live somewhere for 25 years [the length of time Freud owned his Algarve villa] as a paedophile, you become part of the paedophile ring that exists in that area. You share information and stories; that’s how it works.

‘I think the abduction was carried out by that ring, and Freud knew something about what happened to the child. Either he invited Madeleine’s parents to his house to get some sick turn-on out of their visit, or he was trying to get information about where the police had got to with the investigation.
‘It is well-known by psychologists that paedophiles like to go back to the scene of their crimes. Perhaps this was his way of doing it.
‘Freud was 83 at the time. I’m not suggesting he went to that flat and abducted Madeleine himself. But you never stop being a paedophile, no matter how old you are, and I think he knew something.’
With those words in mind, it is chilling to recall that Kate McCann once described a nightmare in which she dreamt Madeleine was buried on a hillside on the outskirts of Praia da Luz . . . close to Clement Freud’s villa.
Many years ago, before the rugged western tip of Portugal morphed into a package-holiday destination favoured by middle-class families such as the McCanns, it attracted a very different type of Briton.
With its donkey-paced ambience, rustic villas that were as ridiculously cheap as the delicious local wine and fish, and a relaxed moral code (described by one long-time expat as ‘anything goes, as long as nobody knows’), it was then a magnet for Bohemian celebrities and minor aristocrats.


Among those lured to this furthermost tip of the Continent was Freud, whose diverse talents — including being the hangdog face of the nation’s favourite pet-food commercial (juxtaposed with his lookalike bloodhound, Henry) — had made him a national treasure.
The father-of-five also wrote children’s books and became a fixture for a time on the much-loved after-school programme Jackanory.
Perhaps not coincidentally, he was a friend of the paedophile entertainer Rolf Harris, too, having given the Australian his entrée into the London club scene when he managed a West End nightspot. And after being elected as the maverick Liberal MP for the Isle of Ely, in 1973, he shared a Commons office with another serial child abuser, Cyril Smith.
Freud had homes in St John’s Wood and Suffolk. In 1987, after losing his parliamentary seat and acquiring a knighthood, he also bought a white-washed villa on the promontory overlooking Praia da Luz bay.
This cliff was later one of the places where Kate and Gerry McCann went jogging to ease their angst as they waited for news of Madeleine.

Freud often chronicled his summer exploits in Praia da Luz in his weekly column for The Times; and given how he chose to befriend the McCanns, we might find these jottings quite pertinent. While he waxed lyrical about his herb garden and citrus groves, which provided ingredients for his favourite Mediterranean recipes, and we learnt that he played golf and boules, he wrote little about the company he kept.
In fact, the only people he mentioned were his Portuguese ‘Maria’ — the maid who came each day to wash, clean and iron — and his secateurs-wielding gardener, Alfredo.
Was this perhaps because Freud didn’t want anyone to know about the dark company he kept?


After all, as the Madeleine inquiry revealed, the western Algarve, with its bucket-and-spade resorts, wide-open verandas and patios, and laid-back security, had become a teeming hive of paedophile activity.
One investigator said he knew of 38 child sex abusers living in the area; and between 2005 and 2009, the children of seven holidaying families were reportedly subjected to sex attacks — five before three-year-old Madeleine was taken from Apartment 5A at the Ocean Club, and two afterwards.


The names of paedophiles and suspected paedophiles based in Praia da Luz or nearby towns when Freud was a regular visitor are too many to mention. They include serial sex offender Raymond Hewlett, a Briton who was living on the Algarve with his wife and six children in May 2007, and became a prime suspect shortly before dying of throat cancer, aged 64, four years ago.
Another Briton, Chris Ridout, worked as a DJ in his parents’ pub, the Plough and Harrow, 200 yards from the Ocean Club. He was forced to flee the resort shortly before Madeleine disappeared, after he was alleged to be bombarding a 12-year-old local girl with lewd texts and indecent images. He is now thought to be living in the United States.

Ridout doesn’t have any convictions and says he was unfairly hounded after death threats.
Freud is said to have drunk on occasion in the Ridouts’ pub, which locals dubbed ‘The Plough and Paedo’ (daubing its new name in huge letters on the wall). Could it be that the knight of the realm was secretly consorting with loathsome men such as Hewlett?


Of course, Mrs Haynes and the three other women who have come forward in recent days to describe being assaulted by Freud were far older than Madeleine when he forced himself on them, and paedophiles typically choose their victims from a narrow age bracket.
Yet, as one expert told me, they also tend to gravitate towards others who share their proclivities, regardless of the type of victims they prefer.
Freud retained the five-bedroom villa, Casa da Colina, with its shaded pool, sunken terrace and pastoral tiles, until 2002, when he sold it to the current owner, Andrew Wright.
However, Mr Wright, from Devon, who now rents the property for £2,470 a week in high season, continued to make it available to Freud until he died. Intriguingly, he revealed that he had been contacted by Operation Grange detectives ‘about two years ago’, when he confirmed ownership of the villa.
This could suggest the Met squad hadn’t completely ignored the email sent by Mason Haynes after all.

The case is also being reviewed by a fresh team of Portuguese police officers based in Porto, in the north of the country. Yesterday, a source in the unit said they would look into the possible involvement of Freud — who was not mentioned once in the original 11,000-page case file.
‘This person [Freud] was never under investigation during the case, not even under British formal request,’ said the source. ‘This new information will be considered in the review we are now undertaking.’
And so to Madeleine’s disappearance. What evidence is there to suggest Freud might have been involved, however tangentially?
Thus far, the Freud family’s only comment has come from his son Matthew, a high-powered PR. Between expletives, he told a Mail reporter his father had been in Britain on May 3, 2007, the night she was abducted from her bed as her parents ate a tapas supper with friends in a nearby restaurant.His assertion appears to be supported by the fact that Freud’s horse-racing column for the Sun was published two days later, on May 5.

By early July he was once again installed in Praia da Luz. As Kate McCann recalls in her book, at the beginning of that month they received a cryptic letter at their lodgings near the Ocean Club.
‘Dear McCanns,’ it began. ‘I have a house in P da L, been ashamed of the intrusion into your lives by our media . . . and if you would care to come to lunch/dinner at any time before Wednesday next, do ring and let me know.’


Doubtless sure of his culinary renown, he signed off with a droll aside: ‘I cook decent meals.’ Ironically, however, Kate and Gerry could barely remember who he was, and had to be reminded. Even so, they were touched by Freud’s gesture of ‘kindness and friendship’ (it came at a time when the tide of public opinion was turning against them, and they were falling under the unwarranted suspicion of the Portuguese police) and duly accepted his invitation.

Yet this week, when I asked several key players in the McCann saga what they made of Freud’s decision to place himself at the centre of the circus surrounding Madeleine’s disappearance, they said they found it odd, to say the least.
For Freud was an obsessively private man who always kept himself apart from the English ex-pats in the resort, and he is not remembered for his neighbourly gestures.Residents described him as ‘reclusive’ and ‘aloof’, but most could barely recall seeing him at all. Was this frigid man really so moved by the McCanns’ plight? Or, as Mason Haynes ponders, was his gesture motivated by sinister self-interest?
‘I’d like to know what he had to gain by the meeting,’ he said.
The McCanns attended the luncheon accompanied by Gerry’s sister, Trisha Cameron, and her husband Sandy, and their then PR adviser Justine McGuinness, a former Liberal-Democrat parliamentary candidate. Though McGuinness and Freud had a political affinity, I am assured that the pair had never previously met and she did not fix the meeting.
McCann watchers suggest, however, that some part might have been played by Clarence Mitchell, who briefly handled the couple’s PR before McGuinness and would become their mouthpiece after she quit the role.

This is because Mitchell entered into a consultancy contract with Matthew Freud’s company a few months later. From his office in Brighton this week, Mitchell insisted this was a coincidence.
As Kate describes colourfully in her book, the lunch was an odd affair. Freud’s opening gambit was to offer his guests shots of strawberry vodka, though it was only just midday. He then prepared them, as Kate recalled, a ‘bloody marvellous’ watercress salad followed by mushroom risotto — ‘the best we’ve ever tasted’ — and regaled them with his trademark wit.
It might easily be construed as an innocuous occasion — until we remember that Freud took pleasure in cooking an elaborate meal for at least one of his victims (for whom he prepared a gourmet omelette) before thrusting himself on her.

Shortly after the lunch, eaten alfresco on the terrace, Freud returned to Britain but remained in touch with the McCanns by email, as Kate recounts. The Operation Grange team will no doubt wish to examine these exchanges, which might with hindsight prove telling.
He returned to Portugal on August 31, whereupon — again weirdly, we might think — he phoned Gerry McCann. Freud cracked a lame joke which compared what he said was his ‘poor circulation’ to that of the ailing Daily Express.

A few days later, when Kate and Gerry were in turmoil after being made arguidos, or suspects, by the Portuguese police, Freud invited them to his home again; this time at 9.50pm. Greeting them in his nightshirt, he offered them brandy and made another dry quip.
‘So, Kate, which of the devout Catholic, alcoholic, depressed, nymphomaniac parts is correct?’ he inquired, referring to the plethora of newspaper stories speculating on her character and parlous state of mind.
When the couple told Freud how sniffer dogs were supposed to have detected signs that someone had died in their apartment, he replied laconically: ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’

To Kate, who could have no idea about the kind of man they were consorting with, this was just the tonic she needed: Freud’s ‘way of making everything seem a little less terrible’.
According to Clarence Mitchell, she and her husband were ‘shocked and appalled’ when they learnt the truth about him a few days ago. Yet, on the basis of all they know so far, he says they ‘can see no reason to believe’ he may have had knowledge of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Those who remember Freud not as an avuncular shoulder to lean on but as a callous predator hold a different opinion. Now it is for the depleted Operation Grange squad to determine whether the clue they desperately need lies buried in the vile past of a great English eccentric.


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Re: Freud's Father A Sexual Monster and An Ideology of Abuse

Postby brekin » Thu May 04, 2017 6:22 pm

Interestingly, for many reasons, but especially that Freud (Sigmund) seems to have disclosed his own abuse to Fliess who himself it is alleged abused his son. And again, Freud's closest confidant, Ernest Jones was a rampant abuser.

Clement Freud Abuse Doesn’t Surprise Me. It Ran In The Family
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By Simon Partridge | 3:30 am, June 17, 2016

The revelations in the British media about the predatory paedophile activities of Clement Freud, Sigmund Freud’s grandson, will have shocked many – but not me.Two years ago I had a paper published in a psychotherapy journal which made the case that Sigmund Freud had himself been abused as a two-year-old by his nurse – there was abuse in the Freud family.

I had hoped the revelations about Jimmy Savile, then fresh, would open a space in which my case about the abuse of Freud could be taken seriously.Yet while the evidence of the paper was not questioned, its contents languished.
Sporadic references to Freud’s dubious relationship with his nurse stretch back over 40 years. But as the case of his grandson, Clement, demonstrates again, it is incredibly difficult to cast aspersions on someone once they’ve reached a certain level of fame and veneration.

Yet the evidence about Freud’s abuse is “hidden in plain sight”, in his letters of the 1890s to his confidant Wilhelm Fliess, where he describes his self-analysis. They contain material which points incontestably in the direction of child sexual abuse. For example, as a result of a dream on the night of 3–4 October 1897 Freud recalls in telling detail: “My nurse was my teacher in sexual matters and complained because I was clumsy and unable to do anything.”

And in a parenthetic comment, he says: “Neurotic impotence always comes about in this way. The fear of not being able to do anything at all in school thus obtains its sexual substratum… The whole dream was full of the most mortifying allusions to my present impotence as a therapist.” It is clear that Freud is connecting his scholastic and professional failings to his nurse’s inappropriate sexual activity with him as a very young child. However, Freud almost immediately turned away from his new awareness of his own abuse. This is quite visible in an October 1897 letter when he says: “If the self-analysis fulfils what I expect of it, I shall work on it systematically and then put it before you.”

One would expect the letter to end here, but without any further ado Freud proclaims: “A single idea of general value dawned on me. I have found [the phenomenon] of being in love with my mother and jealous of my father, and now I consider it a universal event in early childhood…
“If this is so, we can understand the gripping power of Oedipus Rex… Everyone in the audience was once a budding Oedipus in fantasy and each recoils in horror from the dream fulfilment here transplanted into reality.”Unmistakably, here is the prototype of the “universal” Oedipus complex which Freud came to consider as the irreducible bedrock of his psychoanalysis, and which caused endless schisms with some of his leading followers who didn’t accept the “libido” was principally sexual.

In fact what had been evacuated from Freud’s revised schema was the very widespread occurrence of child abuse in late 19th century European society, and its associated emotional damage which, alas, still continues. Could there be any link between Freud’s repression of his own sexual abuse and the abusive activities of his grandson? Well, Freud did discover that what is repressed into the unconscious has a tendency to return and be “acted out” unless brought into self-awareness.

Had Freud not turned away from the very painful emotions and humiliation associated with his own early trauma, a quite different sort of psychoanalysis might have emerged. It could have been of a kind which helped society at large face up to the reality of child sexual abuse. Instead of blaming the “seductive child”, it could have developed prophylactics for those unfortunate enough to suffer from its often devastating consequences.
It is high time that Freudian psychoanalysis openly confronted the profound wounds of its founder, and apologised for letting down many of its patients – myself included – by failing to address the real childhood traumas from which many clients suffer.

https://heatst.com/world/clement-freud- ... he-family/


The Hidden Neglect and Sexual Abuse of Infant Sigmund Freud
Simon Partridge
In the context of the aftermath of the Savile scandal this paper explores and consolidates decades of research into Freud's own infant sexual abuse by his nursemaid, nurses, or his father. Acknowledging the work of Prophecy Coles, Louis Breger, Mary Marcel, and others, and drawing on some acute personal experience, it argues that the time has come to honestly face up to Freud's own neglect and abuse. It calls for recognition that his invention of the Oedipus complex and infantile sexuality was part of his own defensive formation against the pain and humiliation of his early sexual trauma, once it was revealed in his self-analysis. This necessitated his abandonment of the “seduction theory” of the aetiology of neuroses (hysteria) and its replacement by the “universal” Oedipus complex. The paper points to the regressive effect of the oedipal “shibboleth” in discouraging recognition of the widespread prevalence of child sexual abuse in society, as evident post Savile. It is sympathetic to Freud's inability to face his own early traumas in the absence of understanding and support in his day, but insists that the lingering cover-up in psychoanalysis, psychotherapy, and society must now come to an end.
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