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Postby Hunter » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:32 am

I read Hezbollah is even against them which I guess makes sense, and thus Iran, since Hezbollah and Iran are Shiites and those are some of the people the Sunni ISIS are targeting.

Some are saying ISIS will soon control Gaza and throw Hamas out because Hamas is not brutal enough, if that happens we can be sure Gaza will no longer exist, Israel will level the entire region in short order.

I do not doubt that such a group as ISIS could come about organically but I am also skeptical insofar as they are really serving a nice purpose and giving good reason for the west, namely Israel and the US to further justify the war on Islam. So who knows? What makes me skeptical is that you now have a lot of people who were against any sort of war over there now calling and even demanding the US go in and totally wipe these folks out. I dont like ISIS, I hate war, if they are legit they need to be stopped but who the fuck knows anymore what is real and what isnt. People are dying, that is real, aside from that I dont know.

Also from what I understand this is basically the same group that we ARMED in Libya and early on in Syria, so we did in some way or another, create and help ISIS become what they are today.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:46 pm

Hunter » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:32 am wrote:I read Hezbollah is even against them which I guess makes sense, and thus Iran, since Hezbollah and Iran are Shiites and those are some of the people the Sunni ISIS are targeting.

Some are saying ISIS will soon control Gaza and throw Hamas out because Hamas is not brutal enough, if that happens we can be sure Gaza will no longer exist, Israel will level the entire region in short order.

I do not doubt that such a group as ISIS could come about organically but I am also skeptical insofar as they are really serving a nice purpose and giving good reason for the west, namely Israel and the US to further justify the war on Islam. So who knows? What makes me skeptical is that you now have a lot of people who were against any sort of war over there now calling and even demanding the US go in and totally wipe these folks out. I dont like ISIS, I hate war, if they are legit they need to be stopped but who the fuck knows anymore what is real and what isnt. People are dying, that is real, aside from that I dont know.

Also from what I understand this is basically the same group that we ARMED in Libya and early on in Syria, so we did in some way or another, create and help ISIS become what they are today.



Even as a long time anti war/"conspiracist" who went to protest rallies against US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, and as someone who never ceases to be disgusted at the anti Arab/anti Muslim propaganda from Europe and America.....I will say that ISIS absolutely does represent pure evil. But I feel it's made to be that way. I mean this is a group we're hearing could bring the US and Iran together militarily. A group al Qaeda is now horrified by and considers too extreme. Their existence and swift takeover of half of Syria and most of Iraq coupled with the over the top social media and brutality of ISIS is extremely unique and very "of the time".
So yeah, I'm in a position where I do see images of tens of thousands of beautiful vibrant people in Iraq of Yazidi/Christian/Shiite and even Sunni faiths under ethnic cleansing and it's heartbreaking.

However, while I find myself agreeing with even the worst of opposite idealogues on the evil of ISIS....isnt it curious how we have now the steroid mutant face of all the right wing fears of a Sharia law caliphate obsessed super jijadi group? This is a Lovecraftian monster that even the tried and true secret/not so secret Arab elite backers of jihadis and al Qaeda like groups are worried about. But I'm thinking of both the possible secret globalist (intentional) frankensteining and desire for ISIS to exist and an esoteric underpinning. They call themselves "The Islamic State" now, the White House calls them ISIL, but for all intents of purposes the media and public will refer to them as ISIS. And ISIS does have a forebodding scary sound to it. Like a hydra. Many GOP are calling them "more frightening than al Qaeda ever was".

I look at 5 points about this ISIS situation, and these are just my own crazy theories and viewpoints

1. An occult/end times agenda: While ISIS says they are motivated by extreme Islamic views, their actions seem to indicate something wider. From the blowing up of Jonah the Whaler's tomb to
the threat of a massive flood from the Mosul damn(ie: THE GREAT FLOOD) there's something larger than life and larger than Sunni extremist Islam at work Now who would want people to feel the end times
are approaching? To pump up the "scarier than al Qaeda" mixed with genuine horror on all fronts out of Iraq?

2. The media is still sheepish to point out that ISIS exists because of the West and Saudi support of anti Syrian forces mixed with the Iraqi sectarian mess it created. Why is that?
Why is this "quick blowback" seen more in a vacuum, which RT's Abby Martin pointed out.

3. Changing the game: I mentioned it before but it's possible the elites want to change the chessboard. By creating a horrifying, swift moving group that in six months not only undid any "positive" work the
West did with their immoral costly war and occupation in Iraq, BUT a group that is creating unlikely bedfellows. First talk of US and Iran needing to join forces, what's next? US, Russia and al Qaeda needed to
stop ISIS?

4. And this is a big one: creating a situation where you almost HAVE to root for Obama and the US. For the FIRST time in years this event is causing GOP on the hill, Democrats, Tea Party and even anti war liberals and mainstream democrats to come together in agreement to stop ISIS

5. Ok more of an angry satiracal: I'm happy Obama is angry what the plight of the Kurds and Yazidis under oppression...but why doesn't he feel that way about the Gazans being massacred by Israel?
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:53 pm

Hunter » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:32 am wrote:I read Hezbollah is even against them which I guess makes sense, and thus Iran, since Hezbollah and Iran are Shiites and those are some of the people the Sunni ISIS are targeting.

Some are saying ISIS will soon control Gaza and throw Hamas out because Hamas is not brutal enough, if that happens we can be sure Gaza will no longer exist, Israel will level the entire region in short order.

I do not doubt that such a group as ISIS could come about organically but I am also skeptical insofar as they are really serving a nice purpose and giving good reason for the west, namely Israel and the US to further justify the war on Islam. So who knows? What makes me skeptical is that you now have a lot of people who were against any sort of war over there now calling and even demanding the US go in and totally wipe these folks out. I dont like ISIS, I hate war, if they are legit they need to be stopped but who the fuck knows anymore what is real and what isnt. People are dying, that is real, aside from that I dont know.

Also from what I understand this is basically the same group that we ARMED in Libya and early on in Syria, so we did in some way or another, create and help ISIS become what they are today.


al Qaeda backed by Saudi Arabia blew up the US marine barracks in 1996 in order to make it look like Iran thru Hezbollah did it. Ayman al Zawahiri went through exhaustive lengths to mention how evil and apostate like Iran and Shiite Islam is. Even if it's all for show, Sunni extremists hate Shiite Muslims more than they hate Jews and Israel. In fact I rarely have ever heard of jihadists targeting Jewish or Israeli interests in the post 9/11 world. But I have heard an awful lot about Sunni extremists attacking Shiites and Shiite militants. I'm SO with you though. I mean even me, who has made a zillion posts documenting the war crimes of the US, now find myself not entirely against US targeted airstrikes on ISIS positions to save the Kurds and Yazidis.

ISIS however is TAILOR MADE for VICE and the Vice generation. No surprising, Vice made a new documentary about ISIS where their journos were intimately embedded with this horror show

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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:17 pm

Hunter » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:09 am wrote:ISIS is really becoming a HUGE problem, they are killing everyone, muslims, christians anyone who doesnt believe in their hard line radical ideology.


I have a question for you all, is it possible ISIS was created and is being used and manipulated to serve the West's agenda to further villify Islam or do you think it is the real deal?

ALL of my close muslim friends, of which I have many, believe they are not legit and are likely being manipulated and used and probably created by intell agencies. They do not agree with anything they are doing and think this Caliph dude is a nut and probably on the payroll.

Hell even Iran is siding with us against them.


Perhaps not the West per se, who perhaps does seem (at least) genuinely concern. I don't believe in coincidences. I believe ISIS, while serving as an obviously grotesque threat to all people of Iraq(much like the US was in the 2000s to Iraqis) is an engineered orgasm by the 'hidden hand' behind all game changing world events. An idea or germ that has no allegiance to a nation state or any true monetary goal...but whose charter to pure evil. Bush described the people behind 9/11 in september 2001 as

"The hijackers were instruments of evil who died in vain. Behind them is a cult of evil that seeks to harm the innocent and thrives on human suffering. Theirs is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not weakened, by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence, pure malice while daring to claim the authority of God. We cannot fully understand the designs and power of evil; it is enough to know that evil, like a goodness, exists. And in the terrorists evil has found a willing servant." The cruelty that is "fed, not weakened, by tears".


I believe this is a true quote. However to me this describes neither the hijackers or Bush administration, but the (quite dark) forces who control both the US government/West and radical Islam, and pretty much all governments who do not have a good heart. I think what if 9/11, the endless death in Iraq, or even the 1940's Holocaust wasnt about what we think(prejudice, money, oil, etc) but a pure love of death, horror and negative energy?
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Postby semper occultus » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:26 am

...the past is prologue....and a foreshadowing...as are the visions and worst fevered dreams of our artists as Lovecraft well knew....

PROLOGUE

Northern Iraq

The blaze of sun wrung pops of sweat from the old man's brow, yet he cupped his hands around the glass of hot sweet tea as if to warm them. He could not shake the premonition. It clung to his back like chill wet leaves.

The dig was over. The tell had been sifted, stratum by stratum, its entrails examined, tagged and shipped: the beds and pendants; glyptics; phalli; ground-stone mortars stained with ocher; burnished pots.

Nothing exceptional. An Assyrian ivory toilet box. And man. The bones of man. The brittle remnants of cosmic torment that once made him wonder if matter was Lucifer upward-groping back to his God. And yet now he knew better. The fragrance of licorice plant and tamarisk tugged his gaze to poppied hills; to reeded plains; to the ragged, rock-strewn bolt of road that flung itself headlong into dread. Northwest was Mosul; east, Erbil; south was Baghdad and Kirkuk and the fiery furnace of Nebuchadnezzar.

He shifted his legs underneath the table in front of the lonely roadside chaykhana and stared at the grass stains on his boots and khaki pants. He sipped at his tea. The dig was over. What was beginning? He dusted the thought like a clay-fresh find but he could not tag it.

Someone wheezed from within the chaykhana: the withered proprietor shuffling toward him, kicking up dust in Russian-made shoes that he wore like slippers, groaning backs pressed under his heels. The dark of his shadow slipped over the table.
"Kaman chay, chawaga?"
The man, in khaki shook his head, staring down at the laceless, crusted shoes caked thick with debris of the pain of living. The stuff of the cosmos, he softly reflected: matter; yet somehow finally spirit. Spirit and the shoes were to him but aspects of a stuff more fundamental, a stuff that was primal and totally other.

The shadow shifted. The Kurd stood waiting like an ancient debt. The old man in khaki looked up into eyes that were damply bleached as if the membrane of an eggshell had been pasted over the irises.
Glaucoma. Once he could not have loved this man.
He slipped out his wallet and probed for a coin among its tattered, crumpled tenants: a few dinars; an Iraqi driver's license; a faded plastic calendar card that was twelve years out of date. It bore an inscription on the reverse: WHAT WE GIVE TO THE POOR IS WHAT WE TAKE WITH US WHEN WE DIE. The card had been printed by the Jesuit Missions. He paid for his tea and left a tip of fifty fils on a splintered table the color of sadness.

He walked to his jeep. The gentle, rippling click of key sliding into ignition was crisp in the silence. For a moment he waited, feeling at the stillness. Clustered on the summit of a towering mound, the fractured rooftops of Erbil hovered far in the distance, poised in the clouds like a rubbled, mud-stained benediction. The leaves clutched tighter at the flesh of his back.

Something was waiting.
"Allah ma'ak, chawaga."
Rotted teeth. The Kurd was grinning, waving farewell. The man in khaki groped for a warmth in his pit of his being and came up with a wave and a mustered smile. It dimmed as he looked away. He started the engine, turned in a narrow, eccentric U and headed toward Mosul. The Kurd stood watching, puzzled by a heart-dropping sense of loss as the jeep gathered speed. What was it that was gone? What was it he had felt in the stranger's presence? Something like safety, he remembered; a sense of protection and deep well-being. Now it dwindled in the distance with the fast-moving jeep. He felt strangely alone.

The painstaking inventory was finished by ten after six. The Mosul curator of antiquities, an Arab with sagging cheeks, was carefully penning a final entry into the ledger on his desk. For a moment he paused, looking up at his friend, as he dipped his penpoint into an inkpot. The man in khaki seemed lost in thought. He was standing by a table, hand in his pockets, staring down at some dry, tagged whisper of the past. The curator observed him, curious, unmoving; then returned to the entry, writing in a firm, very small neat script. Then at last he sighed, setting down the pen as he noted the time. The train to Baghdad left at eight. He blotted the page and offered tea.

The man in khaki shook his head, his eyes still fixed upon something on the table.

The Arab watched him, vaguely troubled. What was in the air? There was something in the air. He stood up and moved closer; then felt a vague prickling at the base of his neck as his friend at last moved, reaching down for an amulet and cradling it pensively in his hand. It was a green stone head of the demon Pazuzu, personification of the southwest wind. Its dominion was sickness and disease. The head was pierced. The amulet's owner had worn it as a shield.

"Evil against evil," breathed the curator, languidly fanning himself with a French scientific periodical, an olive-oil thumbprint smudged on the cover. His friend did not move; he did not comment.

"Is something wrong?"
No answer.
"Father?"
The man in khaki still appeared not to hear, absorbed in the amulet, the last of his finds. After a moment he set it down, then lifted a questioning look to the Arab. Had he said something?
"Nothing."

They murmured farewells. At the door, the curator took the old man's hand with an extra firmness. "My heart has a wish, Father: that you would not go."
His friend answered softly in terms of tea; of times; of something to be done.
"No, no, no, I meant home."
The man in khaki fixed his gaze on a speck of boiled chick-pea nestled in a corner of the Arab's mouth; yet his eyes were distant. "Home," he repeated. The word had the sound of an ending:
"The States," the Arab curator added, instantly wondering why he had.
The man in khaki looked into the dark of the other's concern. He had never found it difficult to love this man.

"Good-bye;" he whispered; then quickly turned and stepped into the gathering gloom of the streets and a journey home whose length seemed somehow undetermined.
"I will see you in a year!" the curator called after him from the doorway. But the man in khaki never looked back. The Arab watched his dwindling form as he crossed a narrow street at an angle, almost colliding with a swiftly moving droshky. Its cab bore a corpulent old Arab woman, her face a shadow behind the black lace veil draped loosely over her like a shroud. He guessed she was rushing to some appointment. He soon lost sight of his hurrying friend.

The man in khaki walked, compelled.. Shrugging loose of the city, he breached the outskirts, crossing the Tigris. Nearing the ruins, he slowed his pace, for with every step the inchoate presentiment took firmer, more horrible form. Yet he had to know. He would have to prepare.

A wooden plank that bridged the Khosr, a muddy stream, creaked under his weight. And then he was there; he stood on the mound where once gleamed fifteen-gated Nineveh, feared nest of Assyrian hordes. Now the city lay sprawled in the bloody dust of its predestination. And yet he was here, the air was still thick with him, that Other who ravaged his dreams.

A Kurdish watchman, rounding a corner, unslung his rifle and began to run toward him, then abruptly stopped and grinned with a wave of recognition and proceeded on his rounds.

The man in khaki prowled the ruins. The Temple of Nabu. The Temple of Ishtar. He sifted vibrations. At the palace of Ashurbanipal he paused; then shifted a sidelong glance to a limestone statue hulking in situ: ragged wings; taloned feet; bulbous, jutting, stubby penis and a mouth stretched taut in a feral grin. The demon Pazuzu.

Abruptly he sagged.

He knew.

It was coming. He stared at the dust. Quickening shadows. He heard dim yappings of savage dog packs prowling the fringes of the city. The orb of the sun was beginning to fall below the rim of the world. He rolled his shirt sleeves down and buttoned them as a shivering breeze sprang up. Its source was southwest.

He hastened toward Mosul and his train, his heart encased in the icy conviction that soon he would face an ancient enemy.





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Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:35 am

Hey thanks for the thoughtful response 8bit, some good stuff to chew on there.
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Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:37 am

This mornings headline is heartbreaking, evidence being found of mass graves of Yazidis most of whom appear to have been buried alive. Fuck.

Having studied the Yazidi before, they are very good pious people, the problem is their religion is mistaken for devil worship because they basically worship the Lucifer fallen angel character that we know of but in their religion he is known as Melek and after he fell in to the fires of hell his tears of sorrow extinguished those fires and God allowed him back in to heaven where he now holds a special place. All that aside as I am not religious myself, they do seem to be very nice people who dont bother anyone and just want to be left alone.

What got me interested in them years ago was when I read a book, I cant remember what book it was now, but this book linked them and their beliefs with the origins of Freemasonry and if you look closely, real close, you will see it. Very interesting stuff.
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Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:13 pm

I just watched the VICE videos, scary sad and somewhat comical in that many of them are wearing ray ban sunglasses and they all seem to have iphones and are using american made weapons yet the rhetoric is american infidel this and american infidel that, but they sure do love those infidel products.

The videos are basically about how they are brainwashing and training young children for the jihad, they show 7 year olds all excited about the prospect of killing infidels as soon as they can handle a weapon. All these kids will grow up to be the crazies for the next forty years, fuck no end in sight, this shit will never stop, radical islam is not going anywhere, it is going to be a constant threat for as long as most of us are alive and it is going to get worse. Whether organic or manufactured, it is a major fucking problem.
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Postby cptmarginal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:58 pm

Hunter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:37 am wrote:This mornings headline is heartbreaking, evidence being found of mass graves of Yazidis most of whom appear to have been buried alive. Fuck.

Having studied the Yazidi before, they are very good pious people, the problem is their religion is mistaken for devil worship because they basically worship the Lucifer fallen angel character that we know of but in their religion he is known as Melek and after he fell in to the fires of hell his tears of sorrow extinguished those fires and God allowed him back in to heaven where he now holds a special place. All that aside as I am not religious myself, they do seem to be very nice people who dont bother anyone and just want to be left alone.

What got me interested in them years ago was when I read a book, I cant remember what book it was now, but this book linked them and their beliefs with the origins of Freemasonry and if you look closely, real close, you will see it. Very interesting stuff.


Here's a website you may have seen before; it's the best explanation and contextualization of the Yezidi tradition that I've read:

http://web.archive.org/web/201007130822 ... osh038.htm

Also:

Peter Lamborn Wilson - Iblis, the Black Light

http://www.lashtal.com/forum/index.php? ... 95.0;nowap

https://web.archive.org/web/20090215145 ... irians.htm
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Postby Hunter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:31 pm

Good sites thank you, I find them very interesting myself.
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Postby BrandonD » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:58 am

Hunter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:37 am wrote:This mornings headline is heartbreaking, evidence being found of mass graves of Yazidis most of whom appear to have been buried alive. Fuck.

Having studied the Yazidi before, they are very good pious people, the problem is their religion is mistaken for devil worship because they basically worship the Lucifer fallen angel character that we know of but in their religion he is known as Melek and after he fell in to the fires of hell his tears of sorrow extinguished those fires and God allowed him back in to heaven where he now holds a special place. All that aside as I am not religious myself, they do seem to be very nice people who dont bother anyone and just want to be left alone.

What got me interested in them years ago was when I read a book, I cant remember what book it was now, but this book linked them and their beliefs with the origins of Freemasonry and if you look closely, real close, you will see it. Very interesting stuff.


When I was younger I read all the Gurdjieff literature, in his book "Meetings with Remarkable Men" he tells an interesting Yezidi story, paraphrased here: http://books.google.com/books?id=cRMe1C ... di&f=false

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Postby smiths » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:39 am

by way of a bookend, thinking about IS and how we got here

"It doesn't make sense? Only if you haven't been paying attention.
This is the subtext of the Iraq tragedy: blow up the Hajis and play the Sunnis on the Shias; create the chaos that introduces the conditions necessary for the long-game, and the long-held aspirations of the neoconservatives to divide Iraq into ethnographic bantustans."


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Postby 82_28 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:22 am

The US built a shit ton of "mini cities" out in the desert (bases). Are we to believe they have been razed or abandoned/unprotected? I don't know, but I would think not and I would imagine the US has troops and equipment extant.
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Postby Hunter » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:59 pm

There are 12 fully staffed US military bases in Iraq, one of which is indeed a city in and of itself.
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:47 pm

smiths » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:39 am wrote:by way of a bookend, thinking about IS and how we got here

"It doesn't make sense? Only if you haven't been paying attention.
This is the subtext of the Iraq tragedy: blow up the Hajis and play the Sunnis on the Shias; create the chaos that introduces the conditions necessary for the long-game, and the long-held aspirations of the neoconservatives to divide Iraq into ethnographic bantustans."


http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com.a ... lling.html


Such a good quote. Given on the surface it appeared China got control of most the oil and Iran ended up turning the Iraqi government into a satellite country, Im not sure even the most hawkish Bushistas can say what the "prize" was. But perhaps something else was afoot. How many priceless Sumerian/Babylonian artifacts were stolen? I remember at the height of the Baghdad sectarian insanity, I began to wonder if "oil and land grab" was the real reason behind the invasion...or something more sinister. I been saying it for years, but brainwashed "jihadis" are the gift that keeps on giving. fully pumped full of cash by globalist Arab states as the perfect pretext for chaos, wars, instability.

Want to invade country after country? Tell the public theres a jihadi problem. Want to topple anti Western Arab dictatorships? Use those SAME jihadis to create chaos. And the idiot public is none the wiser

Why dont White House press core ask Obama about links between CIA and Saudi funding of anti Syrian rebels and ISIS? Or about how many Iraqis died because of the 2003 invasion?
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