Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:39 pm

So who is weaponising the refos?

Putin or Soros?
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:45 pm

And more to the point what sort of arsehole uses the term "weaponising" to refer to refugees?

I love* the way these human people are dehumanised. Its awesome. Take away their essential human dignity and talk about them as if they all have bombs strapped to them.


*No I don't. I hate it.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Morty » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:40 am

Draggin the chain, slad.

The Politics of Multiculturalism
Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 8 of an 11 Part Series)
by Gearóid Ó Colmáin / February 14th, 2016

It is particularly ironic that the Zionist-controlled media are pushing the agenda of multiculturalism in Europe while insisting on the right of Israel, the world’s only racist, apartheid state, to exist. At the same time, the conditions for this artificial, dystopian form of multiculturalism involve the destruction of some of the world’s most successful multi-racial states such as Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria and, if they succeed, possibly Eritrea.

What we are witnessing here is a process of engineered acculturation where people are being uprooted, displaced and abandoned to the limitless tyranny of the market and commodity fetishism. The boats crossing the Mediterranean Sea are, to quote Freisleben again, ‘Rothschild’s slaughterships’, the slave-boats of Zionism’s New World Order.

Jacques Attali is one of France’s most respected Zionist thinker and has been an advisor to successive French governments. He has referred to globalisation’s war against the nation-state as the ‘Somalisation of the world’. Attali has predicted that the Westphalian state will be destroyed during the epochal chaotic transition to a ‘gouvernement mondial’, a global state with Jerusalem as its capital. The idea might appear as utterly far-fetched to a reasonable person but Zionists are not reasonable people and it should be of deep concern that the world’s most powerful governments are being advised by such influential racist fanatics with overtly global ambitions.

At a meeting of World Jewish Congress in 2014, Attali referred to the Jews in France as a privileged class. Therefore, in order to prevent Muslim immigrants from developing resentment of this ethnocentric class rule, Attali suggested that rich Jews should help create a French Muslim petite-bourgeoisie. They should also, he argued, finance the Imams in order to prevent objections to Zionism. In other words, an elite of French Muslims should be groomed by Zionist Jews so that they can keep the proletarian Muslims driven from North Africa and the Middle East by Zionism from overthrowing their Jewish overlords, both at home and in their countries of exile.

As the mass media drum up Islamophobia while glorifying Al-Qaida terrorists in Syria in the service of Zion, the ancillary regimes of the Jewish state, namely Qatar and Saudi Arabia, are zealously implementing Attali’s suggestions. Giulio Meotti for the Israeli National News reports:

A few days ago, the president of the Sorbonne, Philippe Boutry, signed an agreement with the attorney general of the state of Qatar. Within the next three years, the Islamic monarchy will finance the studies of hundreds of Syrian immigrants at the Parisian academic jewel. The Sorbonne has accepted 600,000 euros per year for three years.


Jacques Attali is on record stating the he does not consider non-Jews as human beings. The view that non-Jews are subhuman comes from Talmudism and does not necessarily represent the views of secular or Orthodox Jews. There IS a difference.

In France, the rise of the Marine Le Pen’s Front National is increasing steadily. Le Pen’s party appears to have the backing of a considerable portion of Zionism, which may account for why Le Pen’s image and stature has dramatically improved in the French press. The Front National is now being courted by prominent public intellectuals as the party of the oppressed. Its reactionary agenda is being marketed as ‘left-wing’ and ‘anti-globalisation’. Although Marine Le Pen opposed the war against Libya-as opposed to the Trotskyite Jean Luc Melanchon, who supported it- Le Pen has supported all other French wars of aggression in Africa, such as the French bombing and invasion of Mali and the French invasion of the Central African Republic. Nor has Le Penn ever called into question the French financial control of many Francophone neo-colonies in Africa. Le Pen is a populist playing up to popular discontent, exploiting the despair of the masses with empty slogans and a hefty dose of xenophobia, adroitly eschewing any reference to the real problem in France: capitalism.

The Europe depicted by Michel Houellebecq in his nightmarish novel Soumission– submission- where a French Muslim community led by a Muslim Brotherhood political party faces Marine Le Pen, is inexorably becoming a reality.

The French and European political scene is being irrevocably set for a Huntington ‘clash of civilisations’. The clichéd theory of the ‘Jewish conspiracy’ against all non-Jews appears so crude and essentialist, so simple and vulgar in its implications, as to pass for irrational, urban and ‘anti-Semitic’ folklore, which, of course, it is. But objective and rational analysis of the centrality of the “Jewish question” and Zionism in the context of the current, global power-configuration is more urgent than ever. For if we do not bring Zionism under control, Zionism will eventually control us. This also applies to Jews. As Professor Yoakov Rabkin in his book Comprendre l’Etat d’Israel: Ideologie, Religion et Societe, argues:

Paradoxically, Jewish nationalism is conceptually compatible with anti-Semitics theories, for it also postulates the impossibility of the Jew becoming a full and equal member of European society. History shows that the attraction of Zionism augments with the intensity of anti-Semitism or of economic difficulties, which explains the fact that relatively few British, American or French Jews have accepted the Zionist project since its inception up to to today and rarely leave their countries to settle in Israel. (p. 49)

In 2013, the European Jewish Parliament was set up by Jewish Ukrainian billionaire and (ironically) neo-Nazi Ihor Kolomoyski. While the organisation claims to be an NGO, it functions according to the structures of a veritable parliament. Why does an ethnic minority in Europe have its own parliament? Will other ethnic minorities in Europe receive their own parliament too? Perhaps Jews deserve their own European parliament because they are officially recognised as ‘Europe’s chosen people’, as its ‘constitutive minority’. That is what was said in the opening remarks of a conference held in Israel in 2013, sponsored by the Konrad Adenhauer Foundation.

Since the counter-revolutions in Eastern Europe of 1989, Jewish supremacy has accompanied the triumph of neo-liberalism and globalisation in Europe and the United States. This racial supremacy is being stealthily enshrined in US law. In 1991, the 102nd US Congress passed a resolution on the Noahide Laws. These are seven laws which Jewish rabbis believe should rule the lives of non-Jews, while Jews are to be ruled by a special set of laws.

The aforementioned racist Rabbi Manachem Mendel Schneerson, of the Lubavitch Movement, is praised in the resolution.

In 1995 Professor Ernest S. Easterly of the Southern University Law Centre presented a paper entitled “The Rule of Law and the New World Order” to the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

An expert in Jewish law, Easterly is a zealous proponent of the Noahide Laws. He referred to the passing of the laws by the US congress in 1991 as “the first rays of dawn” which “evidence the rising of a yet unseen sun”. According to Micheal A. Hoffman:
The Jewish Encyclopedia envisages a Noahide regime as a possible world order immediately preceding the universal reign of the Talmud.

While it is possible to simply ignore these policy documents as abberant and marginal manifestations of ruling class ideology, they nonetheless constitute a sinister form of racism and religious bigotry, one which has, to a large extent, been unperceived.

Belgian physicist Jean Bricmont was ostracized and branded an ‘anti-Semite’ by the French media after he argued that it is high time Zionism was discussed and debated by non-Jews. Pro-Zionist and ostensibly ‘anti-Zionist’ literature and discourse tends to be dominated by Jews. And many Jewish ‘leftists’ tend to ignore the primacy of the Jewish Lobby in the formulation of US foreign policy. Instead, they advance the theory that Israel is simply a colony of the US empire, a tool with which to control the Middle East. This is patent nonsense to anyone who has studied what sociologist James Petras refers to as the ‘Zionist power-configuration’ in the United States, a power-configuration that extends to Europe and beyond.

During the run-up to the Iraq war in 2003 Jewish ‘leftists’ blamed the US ‘neo-cons’ and their desire to control Iraq’s oil for the drive towards war. Little or no mention was made of the fact that the real driving force behind the propaganda campaign for the war on Iraq came from the Jewish Lobby. This is amply documented in James Petras’ book The Power of Israel in the United States.

The strategic imperatives of the Zionist entity require the division and conquest of all Arab lands, so as to clear the Middle East in preparation for expanded Israeli colonisation, as stipulated in the Yinon Plan and the project of Eretz Israel-Greater Israel. Yet we were being told by many Jewish leftists that the Iraq invasion was a ‘war for oil,’ in spite of the fact that Western corporations had already acquired as much Iraq oil as they could manage.

Most anti-imperialist intellectuals in the Middle East will tell you that the war against Syria is a proxy-war waged by the Jewish state in order to create the conditions of a ‘New Middle East’ a euphemism for Greater Israel. Yet, many Jewish critics of US policy in Syria insist that it is the United States (plus Israel). An historical analogy might be helpful here. For centuries Ireland was colonised by the British Empire. Irish farmers paid rent to British aristocrats who had dispossessed them. Ireland was impoverished from debt. Although some Irishmen played an important role in the British army and served in high office throughout the empire, no one could claim that it was the ‘Irish Lobby’ in London who persuaded the British to conquer India, Hong Kong or Kenya or that the Irish nation somehow benefited from those conquests. Empires exploit colonies. Colonies do no exploit empires. If Israel were a colony of the United States, then we would surely see the emergence of an Israeli national liberation movement from US exploitation and colonisation! No such movement exists.

Zionist and crypto-Zionist Jews, through their control of both the corporate and much of the ‘alternative’ media, have managed to play down the centrality of the Jewish state’s role in America’s foreign wars and the importance of Jewish ‘hasbara’-propagandists and ‘sayonim’- helpers in that war effort. They ignore the fact that the only state which is really benefiting from America’s wars is Israel.

One might object to the thesis of Israel’s power over US foreign policy by citing the very clear differences expressed by Washington and Tel Aviv regarding Iran’s nuclear programme. Here, surely, one might argue, the United States is not following Israel’s agenda. While Israel’s Likudniks oppose the deal with Iran, more ‘moderate’ Zionists agree with the compromise. For Israel and the United States, the deal with Iran is but a stepping stone towards an infiltration and destabilisation of the Islamic Republic. Diplomatic and business contacts with the West will inevitably facilitate greater ideological and intelligence penetration of Iran by the US and Israel, while the proxy- terrorist groups fighting against Iran in Yemen, and Syria will continue to receive support from the Mossad and the CIA. In fact, the Zionist destabilisation of Iran has already begun. The Kurdish social movement in Iran is supported by Israel.

The litmus-test for distinguishing the genuine anti-Zionist from the crypto-Zionist is the question of Israel’s relationship to the United States and Europe. As for the independent media, one will often find that the bullying and derisive techniques of the corporate media to discredit dissidents are employed to discredit those who would dig too deeply into the Zionist machinations of US imperialism. The fallacy of reductio ad absurdum is a particularly common technique. This usually involves discrediting an anti-Zionist theory by falsely implying that the proponent of that theory believes in the supernatural, that he is a deranged simpleton who believes the world is run by goblins and such like. Another technique is the reductio ad Hitlerum, whereby those who discuss the problem of Jewish supremacy are compared to racists such as Adolf Hitler.

Jewish ‘anti-imperialist’ pundits regularly become ‘leaders’ and ‘gurus’ of ‘leftist’ movements and often use their credibility to police how issues of ethnicity, class and nationalism are conceptualized and discussed. Once people among their ‘ranks’ probe too deeply into Zionist intrigue, Zionist racial supremacy, warning signals are promptly sent out of a ‘far right’ and ‘fascist’ infiltration of the ‘movement’, this in spite of the fact that ‘fascism’ is precisely what genuine anti-Zionists are denouncing.

Such techniques sometimes work but more often than not, they only draw more attention to the suspicion among non Jewish critics of Zionism that an attempt is being made by ‘leftist’ Jews to deflect attention from the real sources of power in the capitalist world order, namely the Zionist power configuration.

It is therefore important for such individuals to occasionally re-emphasise their ‘opposition’ to Israel. In this sense, the Jewish ‘anti-imperialist’ bears a striking resemblance to the spokesmen of the Islamic State.

For what is the Islamic State or Da’esh other than the foreign legion of Israel. They have achieved in little time what no other Israeli proxy-force could have achieved. They have cleared vast territories of Iraq and Syria, have attacked Hamas in Gaza and have conveniently occupied the Sinai peninsula in Egypt. It is perhaps more apposite than ironic that security experts also refer to the Mossad as ISIS, Israel’s Secret Intelligence Service. It is hardly surprising, therefore, that official UN documents confirm Israel is covertly supporting Da’esh.

Like the Jewish pseudo anti-imperialists, the spokesmen of the Islamic State always refer to their hatred for “America” and the “freedoms of Americans” as the reason for their crusade. They do not seem to be too concerned about Israel, except, of course, when they miraculously manage to stage terrorist attacks on European soil, which often take place in formerly Jewish owned properties. Such attacks foment Islamophobia and the notion that Jews are hated and in danger, an agenda which serves Zionist regional and global hegemonic ambitions. In this sense one could argue that both the Islamic State and crypto-Zionists serve the same purpose: constantly deflecting attention from Zionism by blaming Israel’s giant, stultified Leviathan — the United States of America.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:07 am

This is fucken bollocks.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:54 am

So this is the guy who wrote:

There is no such thing as ISIS. ISIS is a creation of the United States.


Now he writes this:

The litmus-test for distinguishing the genuine anti-Zionist from the crypto-Zionist is the question of Israel’s relationship to the United States and Europe.


Someone should hold him down and tattoo GATEKEEPER on his forehead.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:03 am

And more to the point what sort of arsehole uses the term "weaponising" to refer to refugees?

I love* the way these human people are dehumanised. Its awesome. Take away their essential human dignity and talk about them as if they all have bombs strapped to them.


They are assholes for putting it on Putin.

Joe, do you have a better way or word to characterize Turkeys relationship to the refugees?


Turkish PM Threatens Germany With ‘Hundreds of Thousands of New Refugees'
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Turkey wants to continue its attacks against the Kurds in Syria; in a phone call with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Turkey's Prime Minister warned of a "new wave of hundreds of thousands of refugees" if Kurdish fighters start an offensive.

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The facts are, Turkey serves as a conduit for a mercenary army that has inflicted untold misery upon Syria. Now the re capture of Allepo threatens all Turkeys plans. Russia was invited to help protect Syria from a bunch of Western funded Wahhabist crazies. You know, those crazies that kill and desecrate indiscriminately. They are the ones taking away the "essential human dignity" of so many Syrian citizens. As parel and others have posted recently, the Syrian people are rallying around their country, because they know they are the targets of some very ill-meaning combines.

Hey, here is a novel idea; how about, and I know it may be over the top, but how bout we support Syria in securing its borders and send the money to be spent on 'integrating' refugees into countries far away from their homeland instead back to Syria. It's a humanitarian twofer, reparations and a chance to live in a place considered as home before the NGO's stirred the shit followed by mercenary armies.

But right, Putin, very bad man; insert picture here of gruesome bombing victim, blame Putin, when it may as well have been a Turk bomb, and hope nobody notices the commodification of suffering in the way the picture was used.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:02 am

So a boneheaded army of irregulars is involved in a vicious campaign of attacking refugees across Europe while Putin's Russia has opened the spigots, funding far right parties, propagandists, organizations and individuals all over the place, as long as they are sufficiently compliant. These sorts of reactionaries are ambivalent/divided about who to scapegoat: Jews and/or Muslims?.

Conspiracy freaks weak in critical thinking skills and strong on groupthink are just pawns in this bigger game.

What's missing? Our common humanity and basic human decency...


Meanwhile, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls, governing since the November 13 Paris attacks over an indefinite state of emergency, insists that refugees "destabilize our societies." Katie Hopkins, a UK tabloid "columnist" and a devout Trumpist, has written, "These migrants are like cockroaches. They might look a bit 'Bob Geldof's Ethiopia circa 1984,' but they are built to survive a nuclear bomb." Masked thugs in Stockholm randomly beat refugee children; the encampment in the French town of Calais has been raided by anti-refugee goons; a German anti-Islam group, PEGIDA, has staged rallies all over the continent. Europe might not have a common refugee policy, but it's certainly developing a common ethics.

The current official approach to the problem is founded on a hope that an all-European obstacle course will stem the flow (one million in 2015). Anything encouraging refugees to see the relative benefits of dying elsewhere helps: faulty life vests and frequent drownings (early this week, 27 people died on their way to Lesbos, 11 of them children); the absence of logistical and humanitarian support, apart from NGOs and amateur volunteers; abuse by robbers and police; paying Lebanon (where refugees are 30 percent of the population) and Turkey to keep them in squalid camps, etc. As countries like Hungary and Poland barbwire their borders lest the refugees "destabilize our societies," the Schengen Agreement, crucial for the EU as an idea and practice in guaranteeing free movement within its borders, is about to be effectively suspended. Even Germany, which had been welcoming at least until the New Year's incident in Cologne, where hundreds of women were mugged and groped by men "of Arab or North African appearance," doesn't mind the refugee numbers being trimmed before they get there.

The whole obstacle-course strategy benefits from dehumanization. Syndicated images show refugee hordes pushing against fences, overwhelming train stations, pouring out of ferries, resembling zombies, their individuality irrelevant and invisible. In referring to "migrants," UK Prime Minister David Cameron has deployed terms like "swarm" and "bunch," a notch down at least from "cockroaches." The effect of stripping refugees' of their possessions (as Denmark has done) is to ensure even those who enter, do so as nothings. And what individualization of refugees there might be is often contingent upon their being dead: a beached, bloated child might be assigned a name and a life, but few others get to be fully human. Somewhere in Europe someone must be developing a video game with points scored for each nameless refugee terminated before reaching London or Copenhagen.


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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:44 am

What's missing? Our common humanity and basic human decency...


Yes indeed, where is the humanity of folk that support the destruction of nation states?

Look at what parel posted over in the 'Surrounding Syria' thread AD. Even the communists know enough to see what the common threat is.

Where is the humanity of someone who posts pictures of a young crushed boy, screaming Putin, Putin, Putin, when the destruction may just as likely come from the American or Turks? Thankfully the losers are smelling defeat.


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Russia says some opposition groups in the Syrian city of Aleppo are breaking ranks with militants and cooperating with the government.

In Dara'a Province, several groups have agreed to lay down their arms, Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told reporters in Moscow on Thursday.

"Syrian opposition groups have been productively sharing intelligence with us. Many are shifting to cooperation with the Syrian government," he said.

Aided by Russian airstrikes, the Syrian army is closing in on the last pockets of militant positions in Aleppo which borders Turkey.

Konashenkov said terrorists are trying to flee to Turkey, "blending into" civilians as they know Russian jets won't attack peaceful population, the Tass news agency reported.

"Mass desertion is fixed among gunmen groups operating in the area of Aleppo. Terrorists intimidate local population and use force to drive people to the Turkish border," he said.

He said terrorists were dropping their weapons and trying to hide among the civilians.

The spokesman also turned the tables on the US over allegations that two hospitals had been targeted in Russian airstrikes in Aleppo.

US warplanes, he said, had flown from Turkey to hit targets inside Aleppo on Wednesday.

“Only, aviation of the anti-ISIS [Daesh] coalition flew over the city yesterday,” Konashenkov said in a statement.

“At 13:55 Moscow time, two US Air Force A-10 attack aircraft entered Syrian airspace from Turkish territory. Reaching Aleppo by the most direct path, they made strikes against objects in the city,” he added.

The statement came after the Pentagon accused Russian and Syrian government forces of destroying two main hospitals in Aleppo in air raids.

Konashenkov said Russian warplanes only hit targets some 20 km (12 miles) from the city on Wednesday.

He said Russian armed forces and their partners "have deployed a multi-layered intelligence system that ensures reliable detection of targets."

"Only after multiple checks of the obtained data and ruling out any risks for peaceful civilians, airstrikes are delivered at those targets," he told reporters.

The US has been carrying out airstrikes inside Syria since September 2014 without any authorization from the Syrian government or a UN mandate.

Brett McGurk, special envoy of US President Barack Obama, said Wednesday Russian airstrikes around Aleppo “directly promote” the rise of Daesh.

Syria's government advances and militant losses have unleashed a chorus of warnings by the West and its regional allies about a new wave of refugee influx.

On Wednesday, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) warned that the humanitarian situation is rapidly deteriorating in Aleppo, saying the surge in fighting has displaced about 50,000 people.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:08 pm

Sounder the first casualty of war is supposed to be truth right? It might not be the first but its always one of the first.

So what makes you think anyone in this situation is a "good guy"?

There are millions of people displaced inside Syria and most of the ones that escape are in the countries that are border Syria (with the obvious exceptions of Iraq and Israel.) There are many more in Turkey than in Europe. Turkey feeds and shelters them. Is one country sposed to bear the burden of all those people with out a home.

If there is a Kurdish uprising that effects turkey then obviously there will be more refugees and it could be argued Turkey is as full of refugees as it can be right now so why wouldn't they flood Europe? Especially if Turkey says its had enough and doesn't want to house them.

Any word for Turkeys relationship to refugees is better than "weaponising".

Its a disgusting term and the people using it are scum whatever side of the conflict they are on. If you want to join them in that sort of scumminess that is your choice sounder. I would have credited you with more basic humanity than that tho don't let yourself down.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby backtoiam » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:17 am

joe hillhoist wrote:

Any word for Turkeys relationship to refugees is better than "weaponising".

Its a disgusting term and the people using it are scum whatever side of the conflict they are on. If you want to join them in that sort of scumminess that is your choice sounder. I would have credited you with more basic humanity than that tho don't let yourself down.


My god, "people" have been being tricked or forced into being "weapons" for hundreds of thousands of years. Happens every day. What is so hard to understand about this concept? Its pretty simple. People can be coerced and forced into the environment of other people with devastating consequences. This shit ain't complicated....I'm not bashing the refugees because they are only unfortunate pawns in a huge game. The people responsible for this bullshit are responsible, not the refugees. This shit is intentional and the people running this show don't give a damn about you or me either, or the refugees.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:07 am

Do you give a damn about the refugees?
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:47 am

There are many more in Turkey than in Europe.


Yes and Turkey provides the mercenaries, the arms supply routes and materials that result in disgusting atrocities on the Syrian people that turn many of them into refugees.

Turkey feeds and shelters them. Is one country sposed to bear the burden of all those people with out a home.


Turkey is quite likely compensated by NATO and other players in this sick drama to temporarily shelter refugees.
If there is a Kurdish uprising that effects turkey then obviously there will be more refugees and it could be argued Turkey is as full of refugees as it can be right now so why wouldn't they flood Europe? Especially if Turkey says its had enough and doesn't want to house them.


There is always a Kurdish uprising and Turkey continues to be rather brutal in its suppression. Right now Turkey is bombing Allepo, protecting their ISIS allies as they blend with still more bomb driven refugees.
Any word for Turkeys relationship to refugees is better than "weaponising".


I asked because I could not think of another way to characterize it ATT, and it seems you have no other word for it either.

Its a disgusting term and the people using it are scum whatever side of the conflict they are on. If you want to join them in that sort of scumminess that is your choice sounder. I would have credited you with more basic humanity than that tho don't let yourself down.


I think you are a bit quick on the draw to attach the 'scumminess' moniker to me Joe.

Or you could go all Jack on me and we can see how that turns out.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:33 am

Sounder » 17 Feb 2016 21:47 wrote:
I asked because I could not think of another way to characterize it ATT, and it seems you have no other word for it either.


Its a refugee flow. I doubt Turkey has as much control as you assume. However - describing people as weapons as if they are acting with agency to destroy Europe, when all they are doing is trying to find some security is a bad thing to do to people. When you or anyone else uses those words to describe refugees it prejudices the person listening or reading that word. it frames the refugees as a threat and a willing one at that. As if they have some agency in the process and an agenda other than getting away from a world thats been torn apart by violence. And i am referring to all the refos crossing to Europe. They aren't all Syrian but they are all escaping from the geopolitical games played by the US and China and maybe to a lesser extent Russia throughout Africa and the Middle East.


I think you are a bit quick on the draw to attach the 'scumminess' moniker to me Joe.

Or you could go all Jack on me and we can see how that turns out.


using that term is one step on a path.

We've talked online since before either of us joined this site, in the comments section at jeff's blog, over 10 years ago. I might not agree with everything you say but I've never doubted your commitment to being a decent human being. In fact its always impressed me.

I'd hate to see you conned into losing any of that by people who think its ok to describe refugees - who are by definition suffering terribly and alienated from their homes and probably families - as simply weapons. especially cos those people are only interested in bringing out the worst in other humans.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby jakell » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:56 am

A small point here, that is similar to another small 'fulcrum' word that is used to lever discussions into different directions. That word is 'just', look out for it hiding in larger bodies of text.

As far as I can see, no one has said that refugees are simply weapons.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:27 am

Since 2001, there have been 10 refugees arrested on terrorism-related charges in the U.S.
Since 2001, there have been 320 natural-born U.S. citizens arrested on terrorism-related charges in the U.S.

Not sure about convictions.
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