David Brock, Invasion 4Chan, the Alt-Right, & Pizzagate

[Searcher08]

Sometimes Brit understatement *really* doesn't translate well to text.

Genuinely laughed, loudly, at that.

[kool maudit]

The only reason that pizzagate is met with such hostility from some quarters here, given RI's focus and history, is that it comes from the right and signals right. If it surrounded and concerned, say, the Bush administration, even its gaps, excesses and errors would be met with a sort of resignation, a sort of "well this might not be it, but it's all pretty strange". Does anyone not see this as being something that is going on here?

[stefano]

The only reason that pizzagate is met with such hostility from some quarters here, given RI's focus and history, is that it comes from the right and signals right. If it surrounded and concerned, say, the Bush administration, even its gaps, excesses and errors would be met with a sort of resignation, a sort of "well this might not be it, but it's all pretty strange". Does anyone not see this as being something that is going on here?

I think so, too. During the Bush administration we were breezily speculating over the size of Dick Cheney's richard and where it had been, based on the claims of the same Cathy O'Brien who now claims Hillary Clinton molested her. No one got defensive on Cheney's behalf.

[kool maudit]

We don't need to be bipartisan. This board trends left and that's fine. But this IS what's happening.

[identity]

I think so, too. During the Bush administration we were breezily speculating over the size of Dick Cheney's richard and where it had been, based on the claims of the same Cathy O'Brien who now claims Hillary Clinton molested her. No one got defensive on Cheney's behalf.

Those claims about HRC are nothing new. From her book (some of you may want to skip over the tawdry details pasted here...):

Hillary was fully clothed and stretched out on the bed sleeping when Hall's
wife and I arrived. "Hillary, I brought you something you'll really enjoy.
Kind of an unexpected surprise. Bill ordered her out of the meeting and I look
her to my bedroom and made an interesting discovery. She is literally a twofaced
(referring to my vaginal mutilation carving) bitch."

"Hmm?" Hillary opened her eyes and sleepily roused herself "Show me."
Hall's wife ordered me to take my clothes off while Hillary watched. "Is
she clean?" Hillary asked, meaning disease free.

"Of course, she's Byrd's," she responded, continuing the conversation as
though I were not there, "Plus, I heard Houston say something about her being
a Presidential Model, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean."
"It means she's clean," Hillary said matter-of-factly as she stood up.

I was not capable of giving thought to such things back then, but I am aware
in retrospect that all Presidential Model slaves I knew seemed to have an
immunity to social diseases. It was a well known fact in the circles I was
sexually passed around in that government level mind-controlled sex slaves were
"clean" to the degree that none of my abusers took precautions such as wearing
condoms.

Hall's wife patted the bed and instructed me to display the mutilation.
Hillary exclaimed, "God!" and immediately began performing oral sex on me.
Apparently aroused by the carving in my vagina, Hillary stood up and quickly
peeled out of her matronly nylon panties and pantyhose. Uninhibited despite a
long day in the hot sun, she gasped, "Eat me, oh, god, eat me now". I had no
choice but to comply with her orders, and Bill Hall's wife made no move to join
me in my distasteful task. Hillary had resumed examining my hideous mutilation
and performing oral sex on me when Bill Clinton walked in.

[stefano]

Those claims about HRC are nothing new.

Oh, thanks, didn't know that.

[identity]

In a footnote to the above passage, O'Brien is careful to inform her reader:

2 Hillary Clinton is the only female to become sexually aroused at the sight of my mutilated vagina.

[Luther Blissett]

The only reason that pizzagate is met with such hostility from some quarters here, given RI's focus and history, is that it comes from the right and signals right. If it surrounded and concerned, say, the Bush administration, even its gaps, excesses and errors would be met with a sort of resignation, a sort of "well this might not be it, but it's all pretty strange". Does anyone not see this as being something that is going on here?

I think so, too. During the Bush administration we were breezily speculating over the size of Dick Cheney's richard and where it had been, based on the claims of the same Cathy O'Brien who now claims Hillary Clinton molested her. No one got defensive on Cheney's behalf.

I'm not so sure. Brock, Podesta, and the Clintons are the same ruling class to me.

I think it's because we were always supposed to listen to the children, but now we're supposed to listen to the self-perceived aggrieved who are johnny-come-latelys to this practice and come from the same community where I was trying to beat up on white supremacists all summer.

[American Dream]

Peter Lach-Newinsky hits the nail on the head when he describes Right-wing Populism as:

a channelling of the natural resentment away from those responsible, i.e. the decision-making wealth and power elites, and towards powerless internal scapegoats or designated external enemies.

-Thirty One Theses on Right-wing Populism

In this case, a selected subset of those elites substitutes for the larger group...

[Wombaticus Rex]

(some of you may want to skip over the tawdry details pasted here...):

...yeah. Let's not make this a referendum on the writing talents of Mark Phillips. That material isn't going to disappear from the internet any time soon. Thanks.

[guruilla]

I think it's because we were always supposed to listen to the children, but now we're supposed to listen to the self-perceived aggrieved who are johnny-come-latelys to this practice and come from the same community where I was trying to beat up on white supremacists all summer.

Who they?

Is the last part irony, or neoliberal true-colors?

[guruilla]

Have only skimmed this, but it seems relevant:

"David Brock Just Got His Ass Kicked So Hard James Alefantis Felt It," by Caitlin Johnstone, 09 Dec 2016

[Luther Blissett]

I think it's because we were always supposed to listen to the children, but now we're supposed to listen to the self-perceived aggrieved who are johnny-come-latelys to this practice and come from the same community where I was trying to beat up on white supremacists all summer.

Who they?

Is the last part irony, or neoliberal true-colors?

4channers and neo-nazi redditors, from 4chan and neo-nazi subreddits, two of the places where I was trying to make white supremacists sad all throughout this election season.

I can't fathom how that would remotely paint me as a neoliberal.

[guruilla]

I didn't mean to label you, so much as a certain sort of antifa behavior, exhibiting extreme intolerance of extreme intolerance.

As I understand it, neoliberalism is a whole social, psychological, & ideological package with many moving parts and a thousand invisible hooks & levers. As the OP attempts to demonstrate.

Branding someone a white supremacist, racist, nazi, whatever, does not make it so; nor does fervently believing it to be the case mean that it is. But it can encourage those tendencies in people & groups that are being so violently pigeonholed. This further compounds the confusion and makes it harder & harder to identify "real" nazis, etc (especially with 4chan's use of weaponized humor)

The notion of "beating up" white supremacists seems to encapsulate the current observable trend of liberals, old or new, to adopt the tactics of their imagined enemy. They have now become the monster they believe they are fighting. Or so many people feel.

[82_28]

Branding someone a white supremacist, racist, nazi, whatever, does not make it so; nor does fervently believing it to be the case mean that it is. But it can encourage those tendencies in people & groups that are being so violently pigeonholed. This further compounds the confusion and makes it harder & harder to identify "real" nazis, etc (especially with 4chan's use of weaponized humor)

Yeah it does. Pigeonholed? Seriously? Did you happen to grow up around nazis/skinheads? I did and I just read this today:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/denver- ... -everyone/

Denver neighborhood rallies to boot out neo-Nazis who are ‘terrorizing’ everyone

Number one is that they are idiots. Number two is that they can be violent. Number three is that they associate with something that strikes fear in others. Number four who the fuck wants to even be looked at like that? Number five where the fuck did it come from? It wasn't a vacuum. Number six why do they have to be such posers? They are obsessed with dressing alike. Wearing the same symbols etc.

Fuck skinheads and nazis. I grew up in an area of town (Denver) where it totally came out of the blue. (I have told this story before) I went to a school with precisely three "minority" students. I went to prom with one of them and lost my virginity to another. But we had neo-nazi skinheads everywhere back then. Now they are back. I also don't give a fuck about 4chan. I have read enough about the site to know that it is nothing that I want to read or monitor. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi.