BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby compared2what? » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:59 am

Percival wrote:I understand where you are coming from and I dont blame you for defending yourself but we arent getting anywhere with this, you bitch slap her she bitch slaps back wash, rinse repeat.


That's the objective of the op, in part. If it is an op. Which I don't know that it is. But generally speaking, people who seem not only to be going out of their way not to hide their animosity toward you, but also to express it through a series of actions that are unfailingly so laughably ineffective, incompetent and easily exposed that you begin to wonder whether they're getting their tactics via mail-order from the Acme Investigation Obstruction Company are not as harmless as their Keystone Kapers make them look, and not as incompetent either.

Because they're almost certain to get your attention. I mean, come on: Who doesn't love a vicious attack clown? Plus, you're almost certain to be less guarded with them than you would be if they sometimes managed to make you bleed a little. I may not be have the best judgment about this particular little ploy, though. Given that I completely and totally fell for it every single time I met it for years, even when I instantly recognized it for what it was. I'm kind of a vicious attack clown addict, really.

Oh, well. The first step is admitting you have a problem, right?
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby audioslave » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:13 am

Guys, thank you very much for settling me down. I especially thank you for actually interacting with the content. I'll say that rule against accusing someone of being a disinfo agent isn't a bad thing. It's not like it can be proven.

Thankfully there's no rule against pointing out facts which speak for themselves.

#1 As Dr. Doogie just said, one of the golden rules of reporting is you don't snitch out your sources. I bet McCullough gave that info to Nathan Braca to tie in with compared2what?'s sponge theory. Maybe she figured if she scratched Nathan's back, he would return some inside scoops propping up NewsMakingNews. But that raises a puzzling thought. Virginia and Kate are a two team machine at a website with no apparent income. Can they explain that? :shrug:

People should check out that Reese Jones related thread at the Rick Ross forum. We talking some heavy duty crazy. It may not have to do with satanic pedophelia, but it looks like Kate and Virginia can now be tied to a sex cult. Rachel explained the ARG misunderstanding. I explained my own blunder of thinking Kate was married to Reese Jones. Maybe American Dream can explain how he knows so much about Virginia's husband? Why didn't he correct my mistake?

#2 I can't remember the detectives last name whether it's Power or Powers, but this email was clearly the type one would expect not to be revealed. The guy's a detective. He's got real life issues to deal with and is not going to know anything that us web surfers have looked into. Maybe he goes on the net to read some sports, if you catch my drift. Who could blame him for being scared at first? Who could blame him for being himself with someone he thought was a real reporter? Maybe he wasn't even scared. Maybe he was trying to coax info out of McCullough. I guess it's all speculation. The bottom line, however, is McCullough threw him under the bus and made him look like a wimp or Good German so to speak.

#3 For goodness sake, desertfae lost her dad at the age of 13. As a private citizen, she single-handedly got the police to look into a cold case. This isn't a tv show. This is reality. Big deal if I get trolled. I'm a fricken rock band with ten posts. But lay off of desertfae is what I'm saying. She is a true American hero. Whoever started that "what would you do if Danny Casolaro asked for help" thread hit the nail on the head. Until American Dream can prove who he is, as in a real name and how he's involved, he has nothing to do with this story and oughta repent for abusing a victim, one who is fighting back and succeeding with no help from dubious sources such as News Making News. It's all in the public record now how NMN has treated desertfea like dirt. Same with the detective.

#4 Desertfae may have a blind spot with Ted Gunderson. So what? She explained her unwillingness to attack him, and how Ted isn't involved with the case. From what I understand, Ted Gunderson's biggest crime is that he was a big time FBI man during the cointelpro era. He's also one of those patriot kooks. Don't we all have a relative or know of someone with a relative who got into that crap and isn't a disinfo agent? Ted Gunderson, just like the ARG thing, has been limited hangout concedrning the Jimmy Hughes story. Personally, I smell a rat in Gunderson. I think he and Aquino were actors who ushered in the satanic panic. But my name is audioslave, so who cares what I think?

Whatever has been thrown at desertfae has been explained. Will Kate Dixon explain why she almost got thrown in jail for defending a murderer? That Thompson dudes DNA matched what was found on the victim. She can't explain away her disbarment. She has nothing to show for that zany Emeryville pedophile ring she ranted about. Seriously folks, check out the disbarment document. I can't explain enough how nutty she must be. You have to read it for yourselves. Not everything can be a conspiracy. All these people conspired against Kate Dixon? If it walks and quacks like a duck....

#5 You know what I find most wild about this whole thing? It's the desertfae video where she videotaped the helicopters circling her home. She said someone pointed a mounted rifle at her. I believe it. Yet, I don't think her life is in jeopardy. She did the right thing by coming out in the open. My insignificant gut feeling is Jimmy Hughes is facing some serious jail time. We can hope he turns on those above him. But what if he can't prove it? Well, at least we know from desertfae and Mr. Alvarez's son audiotaping Jimmy, correct me if I make any mistakes, we know that Hughes said there were higher ups who ordered the hits.

I can't even get my own facts straight, and I apologize for not presenting more polished, well-documented posts. I wish American Dream would just knock it off so we can get this story as clear as possible, so the greatest numbers of people possible will know about it. No one gives two sh*ts about ARGs and internet craziness. They really don't. But keep to the straight and narrow, line up all the ducks in one row, and at least the big story will not go down any memory hole.

That's all I've got. I should've just gone to sleep before writing this. But now that I did, I might as well post it.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:34 am

AD wrote...
Those are very, very serious charges, D.D., and you are levelling them against people who have a significant place in the conspiracy research community.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
So who died and made you the Pope AD? But you do disparage the credible and support the incredible, so maybe you will make a fine Pope.

AD wrote…
I don't think there's any lack of consensus about Rachel's identity now, though there certainly was a year and a half ago.

How about in September AD, was it ‘clear’ when you started the desertfae thread?

audioslave wrote…
It's strange how AD can't just admit what an idiot he has been.

That is not strange at all, audioslave, AD doesn’t care if you think he is an idiot.

All this American Dream persona has is ad hominems and sophistry. I don't understand how he is able to remain on this forum. What part of him being a disruptive force is so difficult to see?

Jeff has a light touch with the banning stick and AD knows where that line is. And no, it’s not hard to see that AD is disruptive, but it’s interesting to see how much rope AD will need before he hangs himself.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby stefano » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:36 am

Nice post, psynapz.

psynapz wrote:We may be crazy today, but we're the genuine grassroots opinion leaders of tomorrow, as we obviously sow the seeds we find here all over our lives and throughout our social networks who are probably in most cases growing increasingly aware that we aren't as crazy as we sounded to them five years ago.

Yes. I'm pretty optimistic about that as well.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Cordelia » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:14 pm

Overall creepiness is the only way to describe my impression of the agenda of particular posters on this thread. I don't understand why members continue to engage and try to reason with this irrational badgering. Given the continued harassment of Rachel, her identity and motives, I don't understand why the thread hasn't been locked.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Percival » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:39 pm

Cordelia wrote:Overall creepiness is the only way to describe my impression of the agenda of particular posters on this thread. I don't understand why members continue to engage and try to reason with this irrational badgering. Given the continued harassment of Rachel, her identity and motives, I don't understand why the thread hasn't been locked.

I think under normal circumstances it would have been but Jeff has been busy and probably isnt following these threads as closely as he usually does.

And I agree with you. I am sad to admit I was a part of attacking her because I had a lot of respect for VM and her past work and she lied to us about Rachel and still hasnt apologized. Thats the last time I trust anyone and take their word for anything and I dont give a fuck who they are I wont be disgraced because of others incompetence or fucked up agendas.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:51 pm

The creepiness is here to help us with our discernment, it is our friend.

No, really

This is a hot topic with more news sure to come, so one would hope that this thread is not locked.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Percival » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:55 pm

Sounder wrote:The creepiness is here to help us with our discernment, it is our friend.

No, really

The whole thing has become rather repulsive and a couple of people owe some major apology but I am sure we will never see it.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:07 pm

The whole thing has become rather repulsive and a couple of people owe some major apology but I am sure we will never see it.


Please Percival lets not gossip off topic, at the risk of adding to bullshit. Or we may accomplish the work of the others that we do not approve of.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Percival » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:27 pm

Sounder wrote:
The whole thing has become rather repulsive and a couple of people owe some major apology but I am sure we will never see it.


Please Percival lets not gossip off topic, at the risk of adding to bullshit. Or we may accomplish the work of the others that we do not approve of.

Noted.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby desertfae » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:40 am

American Dream quoting NMN story wrote:Several months after this email exchange a reporter named Nathan Baca from KESQ-TV contacted me and asked for information regarding the Alvarez executions. We discussed the danger Nathan Baca might experience in reporting about this case on television and Baca asked if I felt that Detective Powers was in danger because of his investigation.I told Baca I believed that Powers believed he was in danger and I agreed with that assessment.

Baca said he had heard about an email that Powers had sent to me expressing his fear and asked if I would sent him a copy in confidence.

I did so and then on August 20, 2008 Nathan Baca broke that confidence and used that email to promote Parts 32 and 33 of his series that had previously centered on the McGowan Family Murders and McGowan’s long time partner Luis Belanos. The transcript of Part 33 entitled “Chilling Email Details ‘Dangerous’ Triple Murder Case” and the email as edited by Nathan Baca follows:

I had a chance to speak with Nathan last night about this. You see, when I first read this piece of garbage 'article' I noticed multiple times where the truth was twisted, including this part about what happened with Nathan. I noticed this right away because when all this first took place this is NOT the story Nathan gave me.
In order to clarify, and make sure, I forwarded Nathan the above to get his reaction, without any other comments on my part.
Instead of emailing back, he made a point to call me instead and last night I returned his call. The above is NOT how this went down.
First off, VM voluntarily sent the email to Nathan, not in confidence. She knew right away he was going to air it because he told her so BEFORE she even sent it to him. Her only stipulation was that he not use her name on the air.
If she had a problem with this being aired, why didn't she say so before she sent it, or in the past 2 years, why now?
To sum it up, Nathan didn't break anyone's confidence, this wasn't given to him in confidence.
I have issues with more than this, but I wanted to point this out to clear Nathan's name.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Percival » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:50 am

AD I want to be clear about something. You bring a lot to RI and I know you rub some people the wrong way but the fact is you are a good contributer to this forum all things considered, this is why I dont understand why you are willing to allow your reputation to continue to sink right along with VMs by standing by her and not DEMANDING that she explain why she LIED to us about Rachel.

In the old Caselaro thread VM stated very clearly that Rachel was not who she said she was, that she had nothing to do with this case and that she wasnt Boger's daughter. To add insult to injury she even told us that Rachel was an ARG actress. I trusted VM up to this point and believed her and proceeded to treat Rachel accordingly until I found out that she was indeed who she says she was. Now I am really disappointed because VM wont come clean and admit she was wrong or she lied or she herself was misinformed, instead she just keeps attacking Rachel and making herself look worse and worse and you are enabling her the whole way.

Why dont you do the RIGHT THING and ask VM to clear this up so we can all move FORWARD and put an end to this right now.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby audioslave » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:19 am

desertfae wrote:
American Dream quoting NMN story wrote:Several months after this email exchange a reporter named Nathan Baca from KESQ-TV contacted me and asked for information regarding the Alvarez executions. We discussed the danger Nathan Baca might experience in reporting about this case on television and Baca asked if I felt that Detective Powers was in danger because of his investigation.I told Baca I believed that Powers believed he was in danger and I agreed with that assessment.

Baca said he had heard about an email that Powers had sent to me expressing his fear and asked if I would sent him a copy in confidence.

I did so and then on August 20, 2008 Nathan Baca broke that confidence and used that email to promote Parts 32 and 33 of his series that had previously centered on the McGowan Family Murders and McGowan’s long time partner Luis Belanos. The transcript of Part 33 entitled “Chilling Email Details ‘Dangerous’ Triple Murder Case” and the email as edited by Nathan Baca follows:

I had a chance to speak with Nathan last night about this. You see, when I first read this piece of garbage 'article' I noticed multiple times where the truth was twisted, including this part about what happened with Nathan. I noticed this right away because when all this first took place this is NOT the story Nathan gave me.
In order to clarify, and make sure, I forwarded Nathan the above to get his reaction, without any other comments on my part.
Instead of emailing back, he made a point to call me instead and last night I returned his call. The above is NOT how this went down.
First off, VM voluntarily sent the email to Nathan, not in confidence. She knew right away he was going to air it because he told her so BEFORE she even sent it to him. Her only stipulation was that he not use her name on the air.
If she had a problem with this being aired, why didn't she say so before she sent it, or in the past 2 years, why now?
To sum it up, Nathan didn't break anyone's confidence, this wasn't given to him in confidence.
I have issues with more than this, but I wanted to point this out to clear Nathan's name.


Thanks Desertfae for clearing this up, even if you were forced to channel Nathan Braca. :affection:

I found the following quote from Virginia McCullough very interesting.

http://www.reesejones.com/vmechelonmurder3,3,00.htm

This author was an associate and friend of investigative reporter, Joseph "Danny" Casolaro.


Someone named Kenn Thomas wrote the following.

http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/ar ... index.html

Mason later reported that Casolaro was elated over a source he was about to meet in West Virginia, someone Casolaro described to Virginia McCullough as being involved in guns-and-drugs transfers


I found this transcript of an interview Virginia McCullough gave to Paul DeRienzo of WBAI. It says 1991 at the top. Are there any McCullough stories available from that time period? I'm curious about her journalism history, and where she has been published. Is a biography of Ms. McCullough also available?

http://pdr.autono.net/VirginiaMcCullough.html

Some excerpts. Emphasis mine.

Fred experienced death threats. He experienced sabotage to his motorcycle. He experienced terrorism, and finally he gave a series of interviews to the Desert Sun which was a newspaper in the general area. And at the time, he said, "As I give you these interviews, I’m a dead man."

Shortly thereafter, he and two other men, who just happened to be in his home at the time, were executed. There was evidence that Fred had been tortured. And they were shot, execution style....

You can imagine our shock when the investigators from the attorney-general’s office informed us that the boyfriend was, in fact, John Paul Nichols Jr., the key suspect.


I can't figure out what was meant by calling Nichols a boyfriend. To be honest, I only learned of the Octopus a few months ago.

Well, it’s my understanding, from talking to a lot of the people who have come forward to me lately, that there is a war within the CIA itself. There are two warring factions. There is a faction they call "B.B.", the Bush Boys, and a faction of (I guess you could identify them as a faction of) old world CIA intelligence men. Those men usually come under the heading of the Naval Intelligence Group. And the Naval Intelligence Group is of the opinion that the CIA has been prostituted by the Bush Boys for personal benefit and for directing the political philosophy of the United States under both Reagan and Bush....

[Promis] had that purpose, and more important, had the full capability of doing it. It is the Cadillac of software systems, if you will use that term, as far as tying directly into the Cabazon with the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s plan to arrest, jail and hold in detention camps political dissidents of all kinds.

Harry Martin has done an interesting article that appeared in his paper on the 24th [of September]. And I draw your audience’s attention to the Napa Sentinel which is Harry Martin’s paper. It seems to be at the forefront of a lot of information about all of "the Octopus’s" many tentacles. Harry did an article regarding Dr. Earl Brian and Edwin Meese, and the origin of the original mind control, behavior control systems that were used initially in California, and probably were the forerunners of the FEMA plan to jail political dissidents. And it goes so far as to surgically alter their behavior, or to alter their behavior through drugs.


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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:00 am

Hmmm....It seems we're beginning seeing a pattern on the part of some posters of an underemphasis on clear factually-based arguments regarding a specific allegations about the Jimmy Hughes case, in favor of broader personality smears that are a poor substitute for a cogent argument for the former...

The Kathryn Dixon thread- which was just locked- had a lot of problems with that and it seems that there is an effort afoot to nurture that kind of approach here on this thread also...
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:55 am

American Dream wrote:Hmmm....It seems we're beginning seeing a pattern here of an underemphasis of clear factually-based arguments regarding a specific allegations about the Jimmy Hughes case, in favor of broader personality smears that are a poor substitute for a cogent argument for the former...



I disagree with this.
VM and KDs involvement with this case has not been on the side of clarity and transparency. Your acting as an apologist for them is consistent with your behaviour in this case as anyone who want to read the 'desertfae' or 'What would you do if Danny Casolaro asked for help' threads can verify.
You covering your actions with a 'critical thinking' figleaf but do not address the points raised by Percival.

How did you know VM's husband was an IT entrepreneur and what specifically stopped you from pointing this out to audioslave, who mistakenly thought you were referring to KD, a mistake which took the thread down a wild goose chase and which was easily preventable?
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