Aurora CO Theater Massacre

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby ninakat » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:37 pm

happenstance wrote:"Robert Holmes, 61, is a statistician and senior scientist who received his PhD from the University of California. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ather.html

Wish that LIBOR testimony link would get confirmed or debunked.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread865164/pg1

. . . The speculation about Robert Holmes being a key witness in the LIBOR scandal, and the links between the LIBOR scandal and the Aurora shootings, are coming from [Sorcha] Faal as the original source. The fact that Faal's article is making the rounds around the blogosphere is scary.

It's important to note that this Robert Holmes-LIBOR information has not been verified by anyone credible. This is the kind of disinfo that is very dangerous if it's not verified.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:59 pm

Elvis wrote:
2. At about 00:45, a person identified by the police as James Eagan Holmes (dressed normally) was arrested, without resisting, while in or close to his car outside the theater.


Didn't the police come upon the suspect as he was removing his body armor etc.? That stood out to me as important because it seemed to confirm that the person in the body armor was in fact Holmes.


Elvis, if you can find a report that says so clearly and unequivocally, then please post it and provide the link. If it's a verifiable and credible source (e.g. a named senior police chief from Aurora) then it has to be taken seriously. Because then someone can be held to account for that statement.

If, on the other hand, it's attributed to yet another anonymous "authority" then it's worth precisely as much as the word of "Sorcha Faal".

But please post any such reports you can find. As far as I can make out, the person identified as James Eagan Holmes was dressed normally when arrested, and no one has ever actually claimed to have witnessed him removing any kind of body armour.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:09 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
Elvis wrote:
2. At about 00:45, a person identified by the police as James Eagan Holmes (dressed normally) was arrested, without resisting, while in or close to his car outside the theater.


Didn't the police come upon the suspect as he was removing his body armor etc.? That stood out to me as important because it seemed to confirm that the person in the body armor was in fact Holmes.


Elvis, if you can find a report that says so clearly and unequivocally, then please post it and provide the link. If it's a verifiable and credible source (e.g. a named senior police chief from Aurora) then it has to be taken seriously. Because then someone can be held to account for that statement.
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But please post any such reports you can find. As far as I can make out, the person identified as James Eagan Holmes was dressed normally when arrested, and no one has ever actually claimed to have witnessed him removing any kind of body armour.



From page 25 of this thread... Grizzly provided the link.

elfismiles wrote:No problemo Grizzly. Thanks for the link.

From it this ...

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Actually combining those images of the evidence with the audio from the police radios, you can deduce EXACTLY what happened.

Here's a Map: http://i.imgur.com/TjCos.jpg

and heres a recording from the Police Radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8bKnQlL ... re=related

we know he exited through the rear and walked between his Vehicle and what looks like a dumpster at point B. he removes most of his heavy gear as seen here: http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/14/21/61/32 ... 28x471.jpg

he is spotted removing his armor by police approaching from POINT A (on my image) in the above youtube video at 4:45. the officer sounds truly haunted by what he just saw and requests a marked car SABLE SIDE, suspect in a gas mask. this means Holmes turned and ran past his car toward Sable. Luckily the Police Commissioner was prepared at POINT C.

they met on the corner and Holmes drops his Gas Mask along with everything else. it is at this point when holmes claims to be the joker as the Police Commissioner reports finding Holmes in the Parking Lot carrying the Gas Mask.


at 5:00 you hear one officer ask "Is that the dude in the white car?" he doesn't mean a person is in the car, he's merely asking "Is that white car the shooter's?" because it was the only car parked back there so conveniently. it seems that Holmes was walked back to POINT B, where police had gathered to enter the theater/investigate the car, and place him under arrest as at 5:21 an officer witnesses the arrest from afar and says "Hold the air. Cars where that white car... is that a suspect?". you hear another officer say YES and announce what he finds in the car at 5:27 (Obviously from POINT B). "We've got rifles, gas masks, he's detained... and now we got an open door going into the theater." then he says "Hold that position, hold your suspect" and Holmes is placed in the back of a police car.



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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:12 pm

elfismiles, are you citing Grizzly's RI post as a reliable news source? (If you're citing the YouTube video he refers to, it has since been taken down.)
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:21 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:elfismiles, are you citing Grizzly's RI post as a reliable news source? (If you're citing the YouTube video he refers to, it has since been taken down.)


Howdy MC. Yeah, basically. It is about the ONLY place I've seen reference to an officer allegedly witnessing James Holmes in the armor. Though I also recall an article somewhere that stated that it was a SWAT team member who first "noticed" James Holmes because there was one specific item of his armor that was dissimilar from theirs.

Also, there was another (reddit?) link posted in this thread that went to a long audio file of the police and fire radio of that night. I downloaded that - will try and upload it and post the link later.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:33 pm

Howdy elfis. Now here's something, from the Guardian's timeline:

9.23am ET / 2.23pm BST:

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• The suspect, named by police as James Holmes, 24, is in police custody. He was detained close to the movie theatre, apparently carrying a knife, a rifle and a handgun. The suspect was wearing a bulletproof vest, said police spokesman Frank Fania, but "did not resist" when arrested. Another gun was recovered from the theatre.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... oting-live


Well, that's the kind of thing I was looking for. At least it's one fairly clear statement from a named local police source, rather than an anonymous "authority".

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I don't know if "carrying" means he actually had those weapons about his person or even in his hands. Maybe it just means he had them somewhere in the car, and I have no idea how normal or unusual it might be in that part of the world to have two guns and a knife in your car.

But if he was the killer, then why would he discard 90% of his body armour and still keep the guns (and the vest)? And yet not fire those guns or even resist arrest? If he wanted to get away scot-free, unidentified and unhurt, why would he make a point of discarding his helmet and mask and 90% of his body armour? And yet hold on to the guns? (The easiest things to drop.)

I don't want to make a meal of this, but I still don't get what's going on here. Minutes earlier, someone had just carried out a shockingly ruthless massacre, yet the cops approach this heavily-armed "suspect" without fear, before disarming and arresting him effortlessly.

I still can't picture the scene at all, unless Holmes was sitting there as vacant, groggy and spaced-out as he was in court.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:04 pm

Defense: Aurora shooting suspect saw psychiatrist

Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes, inset at a court hearing, sent a letter full of violent imagery to a psychologist at the medical campus of the University of Colorado, Denver, where he studied. (CBS)
Updated at 4:22 p.m. ET

(CBS/AP) DENVER - The former graduate student accused in the deadly Colorado movie theater shooting was being treated by a psychiatrist at the university where he studied, according to court papers filed Friday.

Defense attorneys for James Holmes, 24, made the disclosure in a court motion. It sought to discover the source of leaks to some media outlets that Holmes sent the psychiatrist a package containing a notebook with descriptions of an attack.

The motion says that the leak violated a judge's gag order in the case and jeopardizes Holmes' right to a fair trial.

"The government's disclosure of this confidential and privileged information has placed Mr. Holmes' constitutional rights to due process and a fair trial by an impartial jury in serious jeopardy," wrote the attorneys.


The motion adds that the package contained communications between Holmes and his psychiatrist that should be shielded from public view. The document describes Holmes as a "psychiatric patient" of Dr. Lynne Fenton.

Calls to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, were referred to the head of the Colorado State Public Defender's office, Douglas Wilson, who was out of the office and did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby geogeo » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:57 pm

I find it interesting that there seems to be a move on to not say or even think "James Holmes" in the media. It almost seems like mainstream and social media are trying to herd the masses away from thinking about 'suspect A,' perhaps hoping it will all the quicker marginalize any discussion or even thought of inconsistencies in the consensus narrative. This task of mass manipulation is apparently being made much easier through the mighty Twitter.

"Heeding the wishes of victims of the Colorado shooting and their families, some members of the media (including the Prospect's Steve Erickson) have refrained from using alleged shooter James Holmes's name. On Monday, CNN’s Anderson Cooper tweeted: “I have no intention of saying AuroraShooting suspect's name tonight. Don't want to give him more attention than needed.” True to his word, Cooper referred to Holmes as “the suspect” and “the alleged shooter” throughout the broadcast. Fox News went a step further, blacking out Holmes’s name in documents it displayed on the air. Politicians—including President Obama—have also joined the cause. Colorado governor John Hickenlooper has taken to calling him “suspect A.”

http://prospect.org/article/james-holmes-there-we-said-it

In some other crimes of this type, it's all about the shooters--as in Columbine--but there, of course, we had to learn why we needed to fear such people, and why it was necessary to police ourselves, our children, and our institutions much more effectively. Perhaps these are unconscious moves, or perhaps they are conscious, but it is intriguing to analyze how we are steered, and toward/away from whom, and in hindsight, how each massacre affects, not gun control legislation per se, but a much broader panorama of social engineering projects. I come away with the feeling that we're all part of a great experiment--and I don't mean democracy, unless in a Masonic sense.

I would also note that I don't think I've ever seen such an obsessive media and societal focus on the victims, particularly since they appear to have been primarily Hispanic and black, who in everyday, normal circumstances are typically the object of loathing and, particularly since they're teenagers, fear. 'We' somehow give a shit about them after they've been massacred en masse, but almost never in the course of daily events, in ones and twos. Again, this wave of empathy could all be only the collective subconscious welling up, evidence of a great longing for togetherness in America, but to me it smacks of something else--like one of several precursors to a Big Event where Americans will need to draw together in fear and solidarity against Them. We shall see.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:02 pm

A link to this audio was posted up stream by someone - thank you.

It's mostly silence for a while, like a lot of police radio, then there is the eruption of lots of talking - right channel police, left channel fire dept.

http://psiopradio.com/media/Other/Auror ... 0241am.mp3


Observant SWAT Cops, Jammed Gun Saved Lives In Colo. Shooting
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July 23, 2012 |

Two Aurora (Colo.) Police Department SWAT officers likely prevented further deaths at the Century 16 movie theater shooting Friday, when they quickly identified James Holmes as the suspect.

The officers spotted Holmes—dressed like a SWAT officer and clad in a ballistic helmet, body armor, a load-bearing vest, gas mask, and other tactical gear—behind the theater after the shooting and questioned him, Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates told CBS' Face the Nation.

The officers noticed Holmes was wearing non-police tactical gear and apprehended him after a shooting rampage that claimed the lives of 12 people at a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises."

Holmes had opened fire inside the theater with a Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle, Remington 870 shotgun, and .40-caliber Glock. A second .40-caliber Glock was recovered from his vehicle.

A federal law enforcement official told the Washington Post that a weapon malfunction likely saved lives by forcing Holmes to abandon the M&P15 he had equipped with a 100-round drum magazine after it jammed.

In the two months leading up to the shooting, Holmes stockpiled ammunition mostly with online orders. He had purchased about 6,000 rounds of ammo, some of which he had delivered to his workplace at the University of Colorado's Anchutz Medical Campus, reports Bloomberg.

http://www.policemag.com/channel/swat/n ... oting.aspx

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:56 pm



You know, the defense motion that report's relying on (.PDF link here) doesn't sound nearly as convinced as the headlines are on that one. Basically, they're claiming that package is covered by doctor-patient privilege and that's that, no further details forthcoming. It's possible that they can't offer any without waiving the privilege, I guess. But it seems not quite right to me that they couldn't even get a waiver for, like, length of treatment or something.

Anyway. She might have been formally treating him. But she also might have been one of his professors who sometimes gave him advice. It's murky.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby DrVolin » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:02 pm

If he was being followed by Mental Health Services (not surprising), the release of this information was a major booboo.
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By bloody hands of the hypnotized
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Jeff » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:15 pm

'Why am I here?' Batman 'killer' James Holmes asks

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July 27, 2012 4:45AM

The accused Batman killer James Holmes has been claiming he does not remember the shooting and that he has amnesia.

New York's Daily News is reporting that Mr Holmes, 24, who allegedly killed 12 people and injured 58 at a screening of ''The Dark Knight Rises'' in Colorado, does not remember the incident.

''He claims he doesn't know why he's in jail,'' a jail staffer told the newspaper. ''He asked, 'why am I here?'''

''He needs to save his act for the jury because no one here is buying it,'' the worker said. ''Everyone is convinced he is faking it.''

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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/worl ... 6436278467
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Freitag » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:21 pm

I haven't listened to it yet, but here's a Binnall of America podcast on this subject with Loren Coleman and Bruce Rux:

http://www.binnallofamerica.com/boaa072712.html

Direct mp3 link

I'm not familiar with Coleman, but Rux is an intelligent and interesting guy (he's been a BoA guest before). According to the show notes he was in attendance that night, in a different part of the theater.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Freitag » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:25 pm

Jeff wrote:''He claims he doesn't know why he's in jail,'' a jail staffer told the newspaper. ''He asked, 'why am I here?'''


This caught my attention as well, especially considering his drugged/hypnotized appearance in court.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby lupercal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:19 pm

^ yes he seems strangely out of touch, like he's trying to snap out of a dream but can't. I really don't think he has a clue what's going on. I wonder if he was ever in the theater at all or just parked outside the whole time? In any case I've seen no photos where he remotely resembles a hyper-violent mass-murdering commando killer, though I suppose some laughably fake Brevik-style costume photo will eventually surface. The vid is from his court appearance on July 23 and he doesn't say a single word:



p.s. is it customary for a Colorado judge to speak with a Texas twang?
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