Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:39 pm

BelSav wrote:

Those that provide massive funding to the 'Space Race' have LIED, demonstrably, about many things.
Besides the fact that, as mentioned previously and as demonstrated many times here in RI, there are myriad plausibly dubious aspects of the claims made about 'Space Travel' since the early 1960s.

Of course, you and those that share your sentiments are essentially subscribing based on FAITH, not based on any objective assessment (by a truly neutral outside party) or first-hand corroboration.

It's a Modern-Day Religion for the secularists.


How do you know they lied? Were you there? Do you have first hand evidence, or is it based on faith that the people you listen to are telling the truth?

You already know we can launch things into orbit. You have a GPS in your phone that wouldn't work otherwise, and you can see satellites and the ISS with the naked eye, so you know for a fact we can send stuff to space, so why is it so incredibly hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that it really isn't that inconceivable to add a small capsule with life support to one of those rockets and send it a little further out?

I'm seriously starting to wonder if you're a flat-earther and just don't want to admit it, or that you have some weird religion that informs your views.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Elihu » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:45 pm

You already know we can launch things into orbit.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:13 pm

Wut?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:35 pm

You've got to admit, that is pretty good rocket tech....



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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby SonicG » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:01 am

BenDhyan » Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:35 am wrote:You've got to admit, that is pretty good rocket tech....



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I actually visited the Japanese Cape Canaveral yesterday and saw these supposed "rockets" up close - I mean look at all these tubes and whatnot just to burn up some hydrogen! Such a scam!!
Seriously though, we are masters of our own orb and the Moon is just a minor extension of that but it is not really a part of "Space" proper imho. Space itself is a vast mystery we are only vaguely coming to understand. I mean, if you want to have a "The Big Bang is a Hoax" thread, I'm all in...

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:30 am

DrEvil » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:39 pm wrote:BelSav wrote:

Those that provide massive funding to the 'Space Race' have LIED, demonstrably, about many things.
Besides the fact that, as mentioned previously and as demonstrated many times here in RI, there are myriad plausibly dubious aspects of the claims made about 'Space Travel' since the early 1960s.

Of course, you and those that share your sentiments are essentially subscribing based on FAITH, not based on any objective assessment (by a truly neutral outside party) or first-hand corroboration.

It's a Modern-Day Religion for the secularists.


How do you know they lied? Were you there? Do you have first hand evidence, or is it based on faith that the people you listen to are telling the truth?

You already know we can launch things into orbit. You have a GPS in your phone that wouldn't work otherwise, and you can see satellites and the ISS with the naked eye, so you know for a fact we can send stuff to space, so why is it so incredibly hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that it really isn't that inconceivable to add a small capsule with life support to one of those rockets and send it a little further out?

I'm seriously starting to wonder if you're a flat-earther and just don't want to admit it, or that you have some weird religion that informs your views.


Of course these things they say are ‘conceivable’ (in no small part due to the barrage of propaganda and related storytelling in both pop culture/movies/TV shows and ‘science’ since the ~mid 20th Century), but the hard reality is MOST humans have no means to corroborate any of it (+ there's no truly neutral 3rd party objective means to verify, which renders most if not all of this a function of Faith/Belief), AND, a considerable amount of the narratives/‘evidence’ we’ve been fed since the 60s are legitimately dubious.
AND: as I typed before, the entities funding these programs are indeed suspect and NOT trustworthy by default, for myriad reasons (among them: they have lied and continue to lie and/or mislead on a number of related and/or tangential topics in the sphere of ‘science’).

I’m not a ‘flat earther’, no, as I believe much of that rhetoric is likewise riddled with flaws (advertent or inadvertent) — another limited hangout variant.

Increasingly, however, I am warming to the notion that the actual reality of what’s going on ‘out there’ is quite distinct from the narratives weaved here on Earth, as told by dubious, or compromised, or captured, or malevolent, or simply indoctrinated characters (and/or any combination thereof).

This is applicable to a number of ‘big’ topics of the day (the Pharma/healthcare industry, politics, our history, monetary systems, climate, etc).

You may scoff or disagree however you please, of course.

(Side-note: launching rockets into ‘space’ to have them hover or traverse within range of Earth is nothing new or distinct— NASA and related entities have been doing this since [reportedly] the early ~60s. Over 60+ yrs now)
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:48 pm

I'm curious to know what you think is actually going on out there.

Regarding your last point: that's my point! Getting out of Earth's gravity well is the hard part. Once you're up there it's trivial (relatively speaking) to give the rocket an extra nudge towards the Moon or Mars or wherever.

Btw: rockets don't hover above the Earth, they orbit.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:58 pm

BenDhyan » Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:35 pm wrote:You've got to admit, that is pretty good rocket tech....



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I'm not sure people appreciate just how insane this is. That's a twenty story booster, bigger than a 747 fuselage, and they landed it. If they can get this thing (and Starship) to be as reliable as the Falcon 9 that's a complete game-changer.
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