Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[ninakat]

^ yes he seems strangely out of touch, like he's trying to snap out of a dream but can't. I really don't think he has a clue what's going on. I wonder if he was ever in the theater at all or just parked outside the whole time? In any case I've seen no photos where he remotely resembles a hyper-violent mass-murdering commando killer, though I suppose some laughably fake Brevik-style costume photo will eventually surface.

Yeah, but he was spitting at guards and they put headgear on him, right? Uh.... no:

Sources: Holmes 'Spitting In Jail' Reports False
CALL7 Investigator Sources Refute National News Reports; Holmes Not Spitting Or Wearing Headgear In Jail
John Ferrugia , CALL7 Investigator
July 25, 2012

AURORA, Colo. -- Sources familiar with the detention of theater shooting suspect James Holmes say his low-key detached demeanor has not changed since he was taken into custody early Friday morning.

According to knowledgeable sources, reports that Holmes was spitting at guards in jail are "simply false."

Two national news organizations have reported that Holmes, who is being detained in solitary confinement, has been acting out at the Arapahoe County Jail. One national news organization also reported Tuesday night that Holmes has been put in a headgear to prevent him from spitting at guards.

However, knowledgeable sources tell CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia that is just not true.

The story claiming Holmes was in a protective headgear was reported Tuesday night, despite a report by Ferrugia on Monday that, “contrary to what some media organizations have reported, our sources say in the past 48-hours Holmes has been calm and docile in jail, just like he was in court. There have been no outbursts at all as he is in isolation.”

[Nordic]

I find it interesting that there seems to be a move on to not say or even think "James Holmes" in the media. It almost seems like mainstream and social media are trying to herd the masses away from thinking about 'suspect A,' perhaps hoping it will all the quicker marginalize any discussion or even thought of inconsistencies in the consensus narrative. This task of mass manipulation is apparently being made much easier through the mighty Twitter.

"Heeding the wishes of victims of the Colorado shooting and their families, some members of the media (including the Prospect's Steve Erickson) have refrained from using alleged shooter James Holmes's name. On Monday, CNN’s Anderson Cooper tweeted: “I have no intention of saying AuroraShooting suspect's name tonight. Don't want to give him more attention than needed.” True to his word, Cooper referred to Holmes as “the suspect” and “the alleged shooter” throughout the broadcast. Fox News went a step further, blacking out Holmes’s name in documents it displayed on the air. Politicians—including President Obama—have also joined the cause. Colorado governor John Hickenlooper has taken to calling him “suspect A.”

http://prospect.org/article/james-holmes-there-we-said-it

In some other crimes of this type, it's all about the shooters--as in Columbine--but there, of course, we had to learn why we needed to fear such people, and why it was necessary to police ourselves, our children, and our institutions much more effectively. Perhaps these are unconscious moves, or perhaps they are conscious, but it is intriguing to analyze how we are steered, and toward/away from whom, and in hindsight, how each massacre affects, not gun control legislation per se, but a much broader panorama of social engineering projects. I come away with the feeling that we're all part of a great experiment--and I don't mean democracy, unless in a Masonic sense.

I would also note that I don't think I've ever seen such an obsessive media and societal focus on the victims, particularly since they appear to have been primarily Hispanic and black, who in everyday, normal circumstances are typically the object of loathing and, particularly since they're teenagers, fear. 'We' somehow give a shit about them after they've been massacred en masse, but almost never in the course of daily events, in ones and twos. Again, this wave of empathy could all be only the collective subconscious welling up, evidence of a great longing for togetherness in America, but to me it smacks of something else--like one of several precursors to a Big Event where Americans will need to draw together in fear and solidarity against Them. We shall see.

Yes, this is truly suspicious. I also found his name to be weirdly normal, difficult to remember. That might be why they're doing this.

But I feel, too, that this is just a big sadistic and evil experiment by puppetmasters, who are doing it almost just for the hell of it. Like some of Mengele's sadistic experiments. Except in this case it isn't a few people in a camp, but our society at large.

I could be completely wrong. But it sure feels like that. I think that there were people in Holmes' world who are in the business of experimenting with major mind-fucks, and this guy was a perfect patsy for them, someone they could use, to not only give him a major mind-fuck, but manipulate him into committing a major mind-fuck on everybody else. Just for the fun of it.

Reminds me of how Sirhan Sirhan got mixed up with some people who obviously led him into a world of hypnosis and manipulation and (not to overuse the term) mindfuckery.

Only in their case, they had the goal of murdering RFK. And they were brilliantly successful.

Here, what was the motivation? That's what's so odd. It's like they did it for the hell of it. Like ..... The Joker!

Where is the Charles Moose of this whole scenario? Or do we already know him -- the strangely New Yorky-sounding guy in a Denver suburb? WTF is he doing in Colorado, this guy?

[Peachtree Pam]

At last some clarification by named sources regarding false media reports.
Of course, the prosecution is defending itself from accusations that it violated Holmes' right to a fair trial by statements suggesting that the notebook contained plans for the massacre.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... ke/55145/#

James Holmes' Prosecutors Say Notebook Story Can't Be Trusted

That story about the notebook James Holmes supposedly mailed to a psychiatrist, outlining his plans to shoot up the movie theater was a hell of a scoop for Fox News, but now Aurora prosecutors are saying in a court filing that it was probably all a big hoax. The new doubts come from a motion prosecutors filed Friday, saying the package from Holmes, discovered in a University of Colorado mailroom, hadn't yet been inspected and any report of its contents -- that would be the notebook -- couldn't be trusted. "The contents were secured and not examined, and held for potential in camera review," the motion says. The motion comes in response to one from Holmes, and argues that his rights to a fair trial hadn't been violated (as he'd claimed) by that leaked information because the supposed leaks were either hoaxes the reporters fell for, or made up by the reporters themselves. For evidence, the motion cites two facts it says reporters for Fox News and NBCNews.org got wrong.

The report from Fox News' Jana Winter, which first mentioned the notebook, cited two unnamed "law enforcement sources," which prosecutors now claim either don't exist or didn't give accurate information. The prosecution's motion, which Reuters' Matthew Keys uploaded to Scribd, also calls out NBCNews.com for inaccurate reporting. The motion claims Fox News' story, which said the FBI had taken possession of the package and its contents (the notebook), couldn't be true because the Aurora police took possession of the package. It also throws cold water on NBCNews' report, from Mike Kosnar, which cited a law enforcement source who said there were two search warrants: one for the mailroom and one for the contents of the package. "This is not correct, as the Aurora Police Department obtained only one search warrant." Finally, there's this:

These factual errors lead the People to believe that there may not even be a "law enforcement source" "leaking" confidential information and that the media is getting information from hoaxers, fraudsters, or maybe from nobody at all by creating fake "law enforcement sources" out of whole cloth. To put it bluntly, the People are extremely dubious of the media assertions that "law enforcement sources" exist. The court need not, and should not, accept that the media is correctly identifying the affiliations of the persons they claim are providing them with "information."

Earlier this week Michael Roberts, a reporter with the Denver area alt-weekly Westword, questioned Winters' notebook story, writing that police wouldn't confirm they'd found the notebook from Holmes. We've reached out to Fox News and NBCNews.com, and will update this with their response.

[justdrew]

does "classic jimbo" mean something in some slang? Maybe Australian slang?

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I think if you said "classic jimbo" to somebody, it would just be like saying "very funny Jim" - but with a higher likelihood that you were being sarcastic and they had actually done or said something unfunny and stupid.

Or it could mean clasic Jimbo as in it's something that Jim would do, or does all the time.

Where did you read it?

I saw you posted earlier about the car with Tennessee plates, 82-28 did a zoom-in on the car that we are told belonged to Holmes and he is sure it had Colorado plates. It looked like it did to me too. The car with Tennessee plates hasn't been mentioned for a while now by the media - don't know if it was just a mistake or something (or if I should be putting mistake in inverted commas).

Not surprised to see the NY Daily News has been making stories up out of nothing. Are they not on a level of credibility alongside the likes of the Daily Sport/National Enquirer?

[justdrew]

searching for it before the 20th, seeing if any other sites might turn up... wasting time basically

http://www.connectingsingles.com/user/bakarzala



I'd guess those pictures from adultfriendfinder could be from something else, and someone else made the site for him. it's a possibility. I somehow doubt the guy in that picture above is "for real" the 'I'm looking for' text sure doesn't seem quite right.

how on earth did the adultfriendfinder profile come to people's attention anyway? Someone browsed through all the profiles for aurora, CO ? (maybe not that many so it's possible)

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I, uh... um... I know Holmes had that adultfriendfinder page (or at least it looked like he did) but I am unsure of why you are looking up 57 year old Lebanese men from Australia.

Does the phrase "classic jimbo" have something to do with these shootings, or...?

Ah, you know, Lebanese guys in Austrlia are called Lebbos. Maybe there is some sub-set of that group called Jimbos. Or maybe he's not Lebanese and it's just his name that comes from there. Classic Jimbo could refer to the fact that he's a typical man from ... Jimbanon?

No, I'm just confused now. About everything.

[MacCruiskeen]

Urban Dictionary: jimbo

(I also missed the relevance to this thread, though. )

[elfismiles]

Urban Dictionary: jimbo

(I also missed the relevance to this thread, though. )

ClassicJimbo was the alleged username of James Holmes at AdultFriendFinder.com ...



https://www.google.com/search?q=holmes+jimbo

James Holmes Sex Site: Accused Shooter Rejected By Women On Sex Site He Was Allegedly A Member Of, TMZ Says
Posted: 07/23/2012 3:05 pm Updated: 07/23/2012 6:24 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... 95708.html

[solace]

So, some joker(s) tricked us all. No spitting, no mask, no notebook outline of murderous plans and no Copycat Effect "event," on the 27th.

[seemslikeadream]

Copycat 'joker' committed after threats
Date
July 29, 2012

A MARYLAND man who called himself ''a joker'' and threatened to go on a shooting rampage at his office with an arsenal of weapons was committed to a hospital on mental health grounds, police say.

Police said that the suspect, who was identified in a police warrant as Neil Edwin Prescott, was wearing a T-shirt that read ''Guns don't kill people, I kill people'' when he was initially interviewed by police last week.

Mark Magaw, the police chief of Prince George's County, Maryland, said on Friday the suspect had made multiple threats to his colleagues by phone.

In one call, according to Mr Magaw, he said: ''I'm a joker, I'm going to load my guns and blow everyone up.''

Police raided the man's apartment in Crofton about 3.20am on Friday and found a cache of 25 guns, including semi-automatic rifles as well as pistols and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Asked by a reporter if, given the possible reference to the Joker, a Batman villain, the shooting plot was inspired by the mass killing in Aurora, Colorado, Mr Magaw said: ''It's fairly obvious.''

In that attack, 12 people were killed and 58 were wounded during a showing of the new Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises. The suspect in that case, James Holmes, had reportedly referred to himself at one point as the Joker.

[wordspeak2]

So, some joker(s) tricked us all. No spitting, no mask, no notebook outline of murderous plans and no Copycat Effect "event," on the 27th.

That's what I'm saying- what's with the made-up stories? I mean, what non-sinister agenda could be at play with such things? I guess you could say it's just ultra low-ball shit like Weekly World News (or the NY Daily News is about on that level), but the spitting in jail bit was all over the more mainstream sources; I saw it and believed it. It portrays the kid as raging with anger, but look at him in the court footage Lupercal posted, and he just looks heavily dazed/drugged, to me at least.

[Burnt Hill]

In regards to James Holmes demeanor in the courtroom, I dont think it is explained by his being "drugged". I see subtle and appropriately timed facial reactions and movements that mean comprehension. I think he "looks" like he knows he has done something horrible and is internalizing a sort of extreme guilt and yes confusion. A person is often confused after a psychotic break and can be aware of having acted out, without an understanding of how they could have possibly done what they did. He does fit the age and social structure of many young men who experience their first break, and quite often when dealing with an impending psychosis many plan on taking people with them, sort of as a justification of the pain they have been dealing with. Hearing he was adopted I am curious about the mental health history of the birth parents.
Just some long distance observations not meant to diminish anyone elses viewpoint.

[solace]

So, some joker(s) tricked us all. No spitting, no mask, no notebook outline of murderous plans and no Copycat Effect "event," on the 27th.

That's what I'm saying- what's with the made-up stories? I mean, what non-sinister agenda could be at play with such things? I guess you could say it's just ultra low-ball shit like Weekly World News (or the NY Daily News is about on that level), but the spitting in jail bit was all over the more mainstream sources; I saw it and believed it. It portrays the kid as raging with anger, but look at him in the court footage Lupercal posted, and he just looks heavily dazed/drugged, to me at least.

The spitting was originally attributed to an inmate recently released so I can think of lots of reasons that story emerged from mindfuckery to he said/she said urban myth. As far as the MSM being fooled, they are desparate for info on a case where the judge has said no info so their already meager journalistic instincts become non-existent.

[wordspeak2]

So, some joker(s) tricked us all. No spitting, no mask, no notebook outline of murderous plans and no Copycat Effect "event," on the 27th.

That's what I'm saying- what's with the made-up stories? I mean, what non-sinister agenda could be at play with such things? I guess you could say it's just ultra low-ball shit like Weekly World News (or the NY Daily News is about on that level), but the spitting in jail bit was all over the more mainstream sources; I saw it and believed it. It portrays the kid as raging with anger, but look at him in the court footage Lupercal posted, and he just looks heavily dazed/drugged, to me at least.

The spitting was originally attributed to an inmate recently released so I can think of lots of reasons that story emerged from mindfuckery to he said/she said urban myth. As far as the MSM being fooled, they are desparate for info on a case where the judge has said no info so their already meager journalistic instincts become non-existent.

Yeah, I suppose.