‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:02 pm

That you'd even source something like that makes me question your good faith/intelligence.


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William Schnoebelen is a fundamentalist Christian who claims to have been (amongst other things) a former Satanist, member of the Illuminati and vampire. Despite his ludicrous claims, he has a few admirers, including Jack Chick.[1]
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Born to a Catholic family in 1949, Schnoebelen claims to have become a Wiccan after writing to Alex Sanders.[2] According to Schnoebelen's version of events, a spirit guide encouraged him to read Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible; he joined the Church of Satan, but decided that it wasn't hardcore enough and so joined an altogether darker Satanic cult: the Freemasons.[3]
After rising through the ranks of Masonry (he claims to have been a "90th degree" Freemason - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckDxBhMt2GA), Schnoebelen claims that he made a deal with Satan himself. After signing a deal in blood, Schnoebelen was given seven years' worth of funky superpowers on the condition that, at the end of the period, he would be killed and sent to party on forever in Hell. He claims to have considered this a win-win situation. His spirit guides then helped him to join the Illuminati, where he was able to speak with the spirits of people such as Jesus, Adolf Hitler, and Aleister Crowley. At around this time he also had sex with a fallen angel.[3]
He later became a Catholic priest — the Catholic priesthood, of course, being riddled with Satanists. Eventually, his Satanic pals gave him the choice between two paths: he could become a vampire, or he could become a werewolf. Schnoebelen sided with Team Edward and became a vampire. In his new guise, he could live on nothing but blood and communion hosts, and was harmed by garlic and the Sun.[3]
All these powers vanished, however, when an anonymous Christian began praying for him. Schnoebelen then became a Mormon — another secretly Satanic group, according to him — and during this time, he claims to have read the Bible for the first time in his life. This led him to renounce his evil ways and he became a Christian on June 22, 1984.[3]
If you follow the timeline in his own books, he would have to have been a Roman Catholic, a Freemason, a Wiccan, and a Satanist, all at the same time, from 1976 to 1980.[4]
His story circulates all around Youtube to this day.[5]
[edit]Today

Today, William Schnoebelen heads With One Accord Ministries.[6]
He has peddled his bizarre claims in books such as Masonry: Beyond the Light,[7] Lucifer Dethroned,[8] Wicca: Satan's Little White Lie,[9] and Blood on the Doorposts: An Advanced Course in Spiritual Warfare.[10] Even fellow Conspiracy Theorists are skeptical of his claims.[11]
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:31 pm

Offered without comment.

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:33 pm

First I'd heard of Chick tracts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_tract

I don't consider William Schnoebelen a reliable source of information per se; that doesn't mean he is wrong about everything, and the quote was relevant. Is there an unwritten rule that we have to agree with everything someone ever says or does before we quote them? Would it be so hard simply to address the content of the quote rather than create an ad hominen attack to fuel another ad hominen attack?
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:47 pm

"The most effective disinformation contains between 90% and 99% truth."

Ergo, obvious disinfo agents are often worth paying attention to.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:40 pm

guruilla » Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:33 pm wrote:First I'd heard of Chick tracts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_tract

I don't consider William Schnoebelen a reliable source of information per se; that doesn't mean he is wrong about everything, and the quote was relevant. Is there an unwritten rule that we have to agree with everything someone ever says or does before we quote them? Would it be so hard simply to address the content of the quote rather than create an ad hominen attack to fuel another ad hominen attack?


Considering he has no sources for his information aside from "insider knowledge" from back when he was a vampire, um, yes.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:48 pm

Wondering if I ought to change my sig to:
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance"
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:31 pm

I'm not the one sourcing hate groups without comment.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:50 pm

I also don't feel the need to "investigate" ridiculous masturbatory fantasy writings from this crackpot. I went to independent baptist school and I gained more than enough familiarity with the kind of hate promulgated by this company and its spokesmen.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:18 pm

OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:31 pm wrote:I'm not the one sourcing hate groups without comment.

Factually incorrect statement.
OP ED wrote:I also don't feel the need to "investigate" ridiculous masturbatory fantasy writings from this crackpot.

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby km artlu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:53 pm

Patrolman: Hey Sarge, we got a guy here says he witnessed it all and can maybe ID the perp.

Det. Sgnt.: What the fuck? That guy's a whacko religious nut. Forget about it.

Patrolman: Yeah but...jeez, he saw it happen.

Det. Sgnt: Not interested. That's an order.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:58 pm

km artlu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:53 pm wrote:Patrolman: Hey Sarge, we got a guy here says he witnessed it all and can maybe ID the perp.

Det. Sgnt.: What the fuck? That guy's a whacko religious nut. Forget about it.

Patrolman: Yeah but...jeez, he saw it happen.

Det. Sgnt: Not interested. That's an order.


Patrolman: But sir, he said he was right here, swooping nearby in batform, when the disembodied spirit of Hitler told him exactly what happened....
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby km artlu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:06 pm

Hitler loved him some genocide.
Also loved dogs.
Ergo - no dog loving allowed.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:17 pm

And you're right, you did have a comment or two guru, but you appear to be thoroughly unaware that the publication you quoted was printed by a hate group. And also that it was written by someone with a clearly stated agenda (Jesus saving YOU) who doesn't list any sources other than his own knowledge of things that can't happen. I was forced to read this shit when I was younger and I can't stand to see it sourced as a basis for serious consideration.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:19 pm

km artlu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:06 pm wrote:Hitler loved him some genocide.
Also loved dogs.
Ergo - no dog loving allowed.


I didn't say that, but I wouldn't read an "insiders account" about the jewish world conspiracy written by Hitler if I was looking for facts without bias.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:31 pm

I tried to watch Schnoebelen's "Interview with a Vampire" some years back & couldn't; it wasn't because I thought he was simply making it all up, but rather that he'd been so seriously unhinged by his experiences that his testimony was severely compromised and yes, it was especially hard to stomach the heavy Christian spin.

And yet: Crowley made equally outlandish clams throughout his life, albeit using superior literary technique and adhering to more "progressive" ideologies; he (in Liber Al and elsewhere) advocated rape, killing, torture, child sacrifice, & oppression of the weak (no hate there). Yet he is considered by many here not only as a reliable source of information but worthy of admiration, even emulation.

Sorry, but crying "Hate" in the current climate & context, like crying "Witch hunt", is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

If I'd left the quote unattributed, I imagine OP ED would simply have ignored it anyway. As it is it provided an excuse to create a big song & dance to distract from the subject matter at hand, namely, the correlations between CERN, human sacrifice, tunnels, ritualized rape, neurological trauma, Crowleyanity & demon evocations, all of which, for all we know, Bill Schnoebelen had some direct experience of, however, messed up his testimony might be (possibly by such direct exposure to it).

Others reading this thread may have had some direct experience also.
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