'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

[82_28]

Looking at this disaster, and other headlines (volcanoes erupting, quakes, war war war, economic doom, etc. etc.) it's hard not to see this is the REAL end of humans on this earth. How in the world do we expect to get out of these messes alive? Why am I not screaming in terror? I'm just numb, and things are happening way too fast to even keep up with.

So, just wanted to say to everyone here, it's been great sharing conspiracies with y'all for the past several years (five I think). Best of luck to all.

I heard the oil is leaking from the sea floor, from under the BOP now, and when the BOP loses its bolts (as it is now doing), it will be pushed out and then all hell will break looser. The top kill didn't work because of the BOP bolts coming loose, I heard. The bolts that were holding it in place.....well, this came from GLP so take it with a grain of salt.

Salty tears...

See you on the other side.

Stick around! It's not that bad. We've always had volcanoes. The gulf? Well, hell, that's a doozy, I'll admit. The economic collapse? Will probably continue on Monday.

Meanwhile, here where I live, it was a beautiful day, albeit a bit on the windy side. The sun was shining, the flowers were blooming, my kid was in a good mood and was cute as hell. I fought with the wife. Could have been better, could have been a lot worse.

Take it day by day. If you need to, step away from the computer. Go smell some flowers somewhere.

Seattle had warmer days in January and February than we're having now. We're like the coldest spot on Earth right now, save the Antarctic. It's not cold per se -- it's the the weather that I like around here -- didn't have a single freeze all winter. It's perfect, it rains off and on and I love the cool, comfortable temps. Granted, without sunshine. But this is the best. So relaxing. Just a nice maritime breeze. No need for heat, no need for AC -- just the screen door open. In my opinion you can't beat this climate.

[Bruce Dazzling]

Looking at this disaster, and other headlines (volcanoes erupting, quakes, war war war, economic doom, etc. etc.) it's hard not to see this is the REAL end of humans on this earth. How in the world do we expect to get out of these messes alive? Why am I not screaming in terror? I'm just numb, and things are happening way too fast to even keep up with.

So, just wanted to say to everyone here, it's been great sharing conspiracies with y'all for the past several years (five I think). Best of luck to all.

I heard the oil is leaking from the sea floor, from under the BOP now, and when the BOP loses its bolts (as it is now doing), it will be pushed out and then all hell will break looser. The top kill didn't work because of the BOP bolts coming loose, I heard. The bolts that were holding it in place.....well, this came from GLP so take it with a grain of salt.

Salty tears...

See you on the other side.

I've recently taken to using the adjective "end timesian" an awful lot to describe humanity's current situation, but I'm a long time Philadelphia Flyers fan, so I at least have the Stanley Cup Finals to look forward to.

[2012 Countdown]

I hear ya, Col. Q
I suppose it is better to say our goodbyes just in case, than to not have had the chance when it is too late.
Love lurking here, reading all of you guys' comments for over 7 years now in the various board formats.


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More video/reporting on the staged BP worker
http://www.wdsu.com/video/23716157/index.html

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WDSU.com

Grand Isle Residents React To Obama's Visit

Business Owners Worry About Future Of Fishing

POSTED: 4:50 pm CDT May 28, 2010
UPDATED: 5:14 pm CDT May 28, 2010
GRAND ISLE, La. -- The people of Grand Isle came out to welcome President Barack Obama on Friday as he toured oil-affected beaches, but many had a terse message for him.
Public officials and residents said they want the president follows through on his promise to triple the manpower involved in the cleanup, and they are hopeful that will help bring their businesses back to life.
"I have 65 slips we only have three boats in the marina and two of them are ours," said Dodie Vegas, who owns Bridge Side Marina.
The Speckled Trout Rodeo this weekend has been canceled, and it's not clear when or if business in Grand Isle will ever get back to normal.
"It's a total shame," said Maurice Terrebonne, who also works at the marina. "We are not selling any bait. We are not making any money. That's our main livelihood."
The president's visit Friday was met with songs and signs urging him to clean the Gulf of Mexico now.
"We are very happy that the president decided to come to Grand Isle, to Jefferson Parish, to the last inhabited barrier island to see what we have been seeing both on the beach and on the inlands," said Jefferson Parish Councilman Tom Capella.
Those who live there say the president may not have seen as much as he could have. On Friday morning, morning dozens of buses carrying hundreds of workers came in to clean the beach ahead of the president's visit. It's the kind of response Grand Isle residents believe should have been happening anyway.
As for the owners of the Bridge Side Marina, they don't know what the future holds. They just don't want to see "sportsman's paradise" turn into paradise lost.
"We (have) never been in this situation," Vegas said. "A hurricane, you can come fishing the next day. Your business may be destroyed of whatever, but you can come fishing the next day. (With) this, you can't and that's what we depend on."
The president said he has committed the full resources of the federal government to help clean up the Gulf.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/23713324/detail.html

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WDSU.com

Tourists, Locals React To President's Speech

Obama Speaks About Oil Spill From Grand Isle Friday

POSTED: 6:57 pm CDT May 28, 2010
UPDATED: 7:03 pm CDT May 28, 2010
NEW ORLEANS -- People in New Orleans were watching the president's visit closely on Friday.
WDSU joined the lunch crowd at Mother's downtown as locals and tourists listened to President Barack Obama's speech about the oil spill from Grand Isle.
"He's here trying to do something that hasn't been done before, trying to improve the situation (and) make it better instead of just sitting in the White House doing nothing," said Shreveport resident Dennis Sells.
One tourist said he wasn't all that impressed by Obama's speech.
"I felt like it was a token speech," said tourist Paul Padegimus. "I didn't feel like it meant a lot to me. Yes, he said, 'I'm here, I showed up and we're doing everything we can,' (but) it didn't feel like anything more than just making an appearance."
Almost everyone in Mother's said they're pleased that the president is taking initiative and making sure BP is held accountable for the disaster.

http://www.wdsu.com/gulfcoast/23714613/detail.html
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I too sensed the speech was half hearted and seemed 'obligatory'. But as I said earlier, for me, it wasn't about the public appearance mainly, it was about getting him to hear without the filter of his underlings/managers, the concerns of our people through the representatives.

[2012 Countdown]

Just heard on CNN that a press conference/status update on topkill is coming up in about 45 minutes from BP.

[DoYouEverWonder]

Just heard on CNN that a press conference/status update on topkill is coming up in about 45 minutes from BP.

I've been watching the video this morning.

They've got a robot with a saw blade cutting up the BOP or the riser.

Who knows wtf they're up to?

[2012 Countdown]

Still no word on the liars. Must still be working their bullshit story.
There's a crater now around the hole.

Anyone ever use one of these? You attach a hose to it and it expands the bladder to form a watertight seal around the edges. After expansion, the water is expelled out the end.
Concrete would flow through the bladder and into the hole.



I'm thinking get a HUGE assed one of these, pipe in mud, then concrete mix through it. Of course this would need to be fabricated and tolerance tested, so time may throw this idea out.

[DoYouEverWonder]

Latest Attempt by BP to Plug Oil Leak in Gulf of Mexico Fails

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30spill.html

The headline above is the one on Google News. The headline on the NYT's site calls it a setback. That sounds so much nicer.

[2012 Countdown]

Press conf. underway...

What gets me is that all morning long, they were showing what was clearly a failure, but the newsreaders were dutifully reading the scripts they were fed, making no commentary on what was clearly a different situation given the video. Fucking black volcano spewing out from a hole and these idiots are reading text from two days ago.

[No_Baseline]

Has anyone here seen any info on the origin of the three separate plumes? Are they coming from three separate seafloor locations, or did the dispersant break one gusher up into three plumes?

If the pressure is as great as 2000 psi as suggested, and the well is bored into sediment, isn't any attempt to plug the pipe just going to cause it to come out somewhere else?

2012- That is about the cleanest solution I have seen suggested so far - what is it normally used for?

[2012 Countdown]

...and thats a wrap...

No useful info.

Had the nerve to take offense at the accusation of 'window dressing'.
"they work hard, and you shouldn't insult the workers".
You lying sack of shit. At least now they will HAVE to get workers out to keep up appearances.

[2012 Countdown]

2012- That is about the cleanest solution I have seen suggested so far - what is it normally used for?

Its used for clogged drain pipes. It swells up, seals the sides, then squeezes out the excess into the drain.
Found this blog describing its primary use-
http://howbourgeois.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... adder.html

[NeonLX]

Col. Quisp, don't you DARE leave--at the very least, you've got one of my favorite user avatars!

I'm depressed as all hell too. Lost my mom a month ago and now my dad just had a stroke. We also lost two old cats that had been with us for a long time. Plenty of other stuff to unload as well but now ain't the time or the place.

Then there are all of those calamities coming to pass...making my little problems seem quite puny.

I sure enjoy this group, even if I really don't contribute anything of substance.

So don't nobody leave, OK??

[82_28]

I've just run through all the comments at the oildrum's top thread discussion. I really think BP has thrown in the towel on this. Nothing will work at this depth and these kind of sediments. People are saying that there aren't any idle rigs to bring in -- at least to safely pull out from what they are doing already, be moved at placed in a place they won't fuck it up further. People are saying lease some from Brazil. I dunno, fellow travelers, but I think this is it. It can't be stopped. They also are saying few rigs are capable of working at this depth as well.

I'm not gonna register at the oildrum or nothing. But I was wondering, given the saturation of these sediments and the intense pressure of the ocean, that the ocean and oil well won't just even out eventually. Not an answer, by all means. All the ecological, economic damage has been done and continues to be done. Perhaps this must just run its course?

Then I begin imagining the engineers and workers that are on this task -- are they sleeping? Are they going crazy? Everyone on planet Earth must be aware of what a disaster this is -- they must be aware too. If they aren't now, they will be soon -- they're gonna start clawing in the dark out of frustration and fear. I just don't think anything can be done.

Say, do any of the woo space weapons and ways of transit work in this case? Can we use some technology gleaned from Roswell or Area 51 be applied here? Break that shit out .gov black op motherfucks.

[82_28]

Col. Quisp, don't you DARE leave--at the very least, you've got one of my favorite user avatars!

I'm depressed as all hell too. Lost my mom a month ago and now my dad just had a stroke. We also lost two old cats that had been with us for a long time. Plenty of other stuff to unload as well but now ain't the time or the place.

Then there are all of those calamities coming to pass...making my little problems seem quite puny.

I sure enjoy this group, even if I really don't contribute anything of substance.

So don't nobody leave, OK??

I don't know one soul on this Earth anymore that isn't depressed. But we must stick together! My cat, herself is even depressed.

And I am so sorry NeonLX. I am here for you anytime! So, so sorry. (I am tearing up a bit btw)

[Iamwhomiam]

It seems to me that the well casing has failed (probably on day1) and nothing can be done to seal this well. What else could account for the multiple plumes? The pressure forcing the oil up seems to me to be too great for a debris plug, but if that were somehow possible, it would certainly cause a failure of the casing, if it hasn't failed already. A bomb, especially a nuke, could collapse the seabed, to say nothing of the damage to coastal areas the tsunami from its explosion would create. This would also guarantee, imho, the opening of new vents, if indeed the seabed didn't collapse.

There should be an immediate halt to the use of the highly toxic chemical dispersants, which will compound the difficulty in clean-ups and the damage this catastrophe will create.

I think the initial explosion caused the instant failure of the powerful engines meant to keep the drilling platform stationary, and that it drifted before the failed attempt to disconnect, rupturing the pipes and preventing the disconnect. Who knows?

All energy production should be nationalized!

It is in all of our nations citizens' interest to do so, in this age of diminishing resources.

One last thing... anyone else notice that gasoline prices have dropped by around 20 cents per gallon over the last couple of weeks? I suspect this also to be PR related. Gasoline always - always increases and peaks before our Memorial Day holiday. A few weeks ago regular gasoline, now 10% ethanol, was a few cents above $3; now it's about $2.80. Never before in my long years do I remember the price dropping before this holiday, which traditionally begins our summer.