Is Porn Bad for You?

[slomo]

But what if we never pay? What if the alien porn clip does the trick? What if we never visit the paysite?

In my experience, the green alien porn clip always does the trick.

[compared2what?]

Hmm. I still don't think porn is necessarily "bad for you," but I'm seriously starting to wonder if this thread might be.

I wish I'd actually followed-through on Barracuda's insight a couple of pages back, instead of merely agreeing with it.

Oh. I very much hope you don't really think that, Sim. I guess that I would say....Hmm. Well. First of all, what I would say is that this thread is not necessarily bad for you, any more than people are necessarily bad for you.

And second of all, I would say that since people (not excluding oneself) are sometimes bad for you, so might this thread be. Or porn, or watching television, or marriage, or drinking, or falling in love, or going to the doctor, or not going to the doctor, or -- in short -- doing anything while human, not excluding just sitting around, thinking. Because life is frequently bad for you. (And inevitably fatal, too!)

I'm basically a libertarian wrt those and all other matters of personal choice and/or identity that don't pose a grave, direct and imminent threat to the life, liberty and well being of others -- precisely because there is nothing I am more passionately opposed to than threats to the life, liberty and well being of others..

And....I don't know. It just seems axiomatic to me that liberties should always be preserved to the greatest possible degree they reasonably can be without either (a) coming into direct conflict with other liberties; or (b) posing a direct threat to life and well being. Per which formula:

Porn consumption and production = liberties that must be recognized as such and preserved to the greatest possible degree they can be without endangering anybody.

Acts of (sexual, physical, emotional, economic or any other kind of) coercion, force, exploitation, violence, abuse and subjugation = threats to life, liberty and well being that must be recognized as such and opposed absolutely under all circumstances.

Distinguishing one from the other = Imperative for the good of all, as well as fundamental to the protection of society's most vulnerable and least free.
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In practice, porn is virtually guaranteed to be at least some kind of bad for women who work as pornographic models and actresses.*** It's seriously harmful to many of them. And it's quite literally enslavement and torture for some of them. That shouldn't just be okay with everybody. It horrifies me that it is, on every level and in every conceivable way, including personally.

That's not a porn-specific thing, though. Or an internet thing. Or a simple thing. Or an easy thing. It's a people thing. IMO.
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***With very, very few exceptions, maybe. But maybe not. I mean, Jenna Jamison? I don't really know. Her life hasn't exactly been a walk in the park. But she has done pretty well for herself, all things considered.

[compared2what?]

But what if we never pay? What if the alien porn clip does the trick? What if we never visit the paysite?

In my experience, the green alien porn clip always does the trick.

As long as sexuality in general (and for the purposes of this discussion, female sexuality in particular) is stigmatized, mystified, glorified, and despised as a quality in self or others at both an individual and societal level, I'd say it's always going to be a significant problem.



If search results are any kind of indicator.



From a certain perspective, it's not really funny, I guess. But, you know. It's all we got. So:

[compared2what?]

EDIT: I've suspended Canadian Watcher's account pending review by the mods.

the body politic looks forward to cw's speedy re-instatement!

Elihu, please, I implore you:

Tell me how, when, where and why one or more instances of my unintelligibity sanctimony, mercilessness, and/or pity-party-throwing tendencies harmed the body politic. I want to reform.

Thanks.

ON EDIT: That reminds me. I wasn't trying to evoke pity so much as I was trying to apologetically state a regrettable fact. Regular posting here is literally not good for my health. Many people might regard that as a good thing, and it's certainly not a tragedy from any point of view, including mine. But whatever the case, no emotional response to it of any kind is required. It just happens to be the case.

[barracuda]

I'm sorry that someone has been suspended for trying to express concern, not I think, in a very shocking way after all.

Just to clarify, Canadian Watcher's account was not suspended specifically with regard to her activities on this thread, but rather in tandem with sending me some pm's which were deemed to be highly bologneous in nature.

[Nordic]

Well the difference between porn and music is that when you really like a piece of music you just might pay for a copy so you can play it over and over and over.

With porn, that almost never happens. You don't go back to it, you look for something new. With the occasional rare exception.


and hey cuda you gotta tell us what bologneous means. that's a new one.

[slomo]

But what if we never pay? What if the alien porn clip does the trick? What if we never visit the paysite?

In my experience, the green alien porn clip always does the trick.

As long as sexuality in general (and for the purposes of this discussion, female sexuality in particular) is stigmatized, mystified, glorified, and despised as a quality in self or others at both an individual and societal level, I'd say it's always going to be a significant problem.



If search results are any kind of indicator.



From a certain perspective, it's not really funny, I guess. But, you know. It's all we got. So:

I'm pretty OK with my personal tastes, which may seem weird to many people (including other gay men): typically 40-55 year-old balding white guys in tolerably good shape, but not steroid junkies. Hard (but not impossible) to find in commercial gay porn. Fortunately, my s.o. fits the bill, and where he lacks in time and energy, I have an active imagination.

[barracuda]

and hey cuda you gotta tell us what bologneous means. that's a new one.

Yeah... I made that one up. It means, "largely composed of baloney".

[Simulist]

and hey cuda you gotta tell us what bologneous means. that's a new one.

Yeah... I made that one up. It means, "largely composed of baloney".

Oh my GOD! -- Barracuda, it's just like you to bring a sausage up in a discussion about porn.

[compared2what?]

Reposting, since I been agreeing with it since c. 1992

Part One.

[compared2what?]

PART TWO:

[Simulist]

Good stuff, C2w. Even better if people actually would read it -- because, again, it's good stuff.

Among several things, I really like this:

For obvious political and cultural reasons nearly all porn is sexist in that it is the product of a male imagination and aimed at a male market; women are less likely to be consciously interested in pornography, or to indulge that interest, or to find porn that turns them on.

And, of course that does seem true.

What's also becoming increasingly interesting to me is that a couple of my female friends have confided to me their interest in gay-male pornography as "porn that turns them on." Frankly, I was surprised by this; I had to think about that one. But it makes sense too, from a certain point of view: if some heterosexual men can harbor fantasies about two (or more) women together, then why should some heterosexual women not also be welcome to explore similar interests about two (or more) men, if they want?

I can think of no reason that they shouldn't -- except, of course, that some heterosexual men will surely be threatened by this. (Which, uh, is really no reason at all.)

And the proverbial "shoe" is suddenly on the other foot.

[Elihu]

Tell me how, when, where and why one or more instances of my unintelligibity sanctimony, mercilessness, and/or pity-party-throwing tendencies harmed the body politic.

i would not be qualified to judge. and didn't follow the conversation closely enough anyway. all of our words are our own. regarding the reform "he that hath begun a good work in you is faithful to finish it".

i was rejoicing that the implacable impartial wheels of justice had been set in motion embodied by "pending review of the mods".

Just to clarify, Canadian Watcher's account was not suspended specifically with regard to her activities on this thread, but rather in tandem with sending me some pm's which were deemed to be highly bologneous in nature.

number one, don't eff with the man. and number two, taken in isolation, i expect she'll be set free when the priest comes out of the temple. an ffs bomb? c'mon. jmo. btw, is cw the most suspended of all time so far?

[barracuda]

btw, is cw the most suspended of all time so far?

No. The Cup still belongs to Hugh.

[Searcher08]

and hey cuda you gotta tell us what bologneous means. that's a new one.

Yeah... I made that one up. It means, "largely composed of baloney".

ORLY??
bologneous = bologna + erroneous