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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:02 am

Russia: Strike on Syria Could Mean Nuke Disaster

By Associated Press Sept. 05, 2013

(VIENNA) — Russia is warning that a U.S. strike on Syria’s atomic facilities might result in a nuclear catastrophe and is urging the U.N. to present a risk analysis of such a scenario.

The warning comes from Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, Alexander Lukashevich. He said in a statement Wednesday that a strike on a miniature reactor near Damascus or other nuclear installations could contaminate the region with radioactivity, adding: “The consequences could be catastrophic.”

IAEA spokeswoman Gill Tudor told the AP in an email Thursday that her agency is ready to “consider the questions raised” by Lukashevich if it receives a formal request to do so from Moscow.

Russia’s Interfax news agency says that Moscow intends to bring up the issue at next week’s 35-nation IAEA board meeting.



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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:09 am

The Excavator

September 5, 2013

An American Attack Against Syria: Some General Thoughts

The debate about going to war against Syria in the United States Congress and press almost entirely leaves out the fact that Assad's regime is fully capable of defending itself and responding to an illegal U.S. strike. Political leaders and their allies in the media are naively confident in the use of force to resolve the crisis in Syria.

In Syria, Washington is not going to war against al-Qaeda, some mythical force out of a fairytale, or a weird dictator who wields iron power over a collection of tribes as in the case of Libya, but a real country with a very long and proud history of resistance to foreign invaders and occupiers.

This fact must be kept in mind. Nations with a long and unique history have an ingrained hostility to outsiders, and it does not matter if outsiders attempt to conquer in the name of religion or for the claimed defense of international norms.

President Obama can give lip service to red lines, chemical weapons, and human dignity as much as he likes, but the fact remains that he is not acting in concert with international law, nor is he acting to defend moral principles and religious values. At the end of the day he is just another thug with a gun, and if guns and thugs can fix the problems of Syria then it would have already happened.

Another important factor is that Assad still enjoys a large amount of popular support, not to mention the support of regional and international allies. So he is far from a dead dog. The man still has credibility in the eyes of many sectors of Syrian society, who don't believe U.S. and French accusations that their leader used chemical weapons against them.

Assad's popularity has not been brought up in the U.S. media and by American leaders. They seem to be going to war against Syria by self-deceiving themselves into it, and this is a very grave mistake, because when a nation goes to war it must know concretely who it is going to war with and why.

To attack a country is a very dangerous crime, and when you have delinquent leaders like Senator John McCain playing a poker game during a war hearing, then there are already serious problems.

Secretary of State Kerry repeated several times to members of Congress on Wednesday that President Obama's decision to attack Syria is not about regime change, but the issue of chemical weapons. He even said at one point that "President Obama is not asking America to go to war."

That trickery may fool Congress into backing military strikes, but it doesn't fool Assad and Syrians, who will view American strikes as a clear act of war and will respond with the bravery that only genuine patriotism and self-sacrifice can bring out in a nation.

The leaders of America must realize that other people love their countries as much as they love their own country, and that they are willing to die to defend their country's sovereignty and their rights. What do you think would happen if Russia and China decide to take out America's nuclear weapons for the international good? Americans will rightly fight back.

And that is what Syrians will do when Obama unjustly and illegally attacks their country. They won't be fighting in defense of Assad's regime, but in defense of their country against foreign invaders.

Of course, American military power cannot be denied, but only a spirit can conquer a country, not a military.

There is no such thing as a "symbolic strike." America will be starting a wide-scale regional war the moment it drops bombs on Syria. Syrian civilians will die in large numbers, and they won't blame Assad, that's a guarantee.

Since President Obama is so intent on attacking Syria without public approval or international consensus he should clearly lay out his reasons and objectives. What is most damning about his case for war is that his arguments are so inconsistent.

President Obama doesn't even have the courage to take responsibility for his own words, saying falsely that he did not draw the red line on chemical weapons, but rather the world did. This is not a positive trait in a leader. If you are going to say something, stand by it. Don't toss the ball to "the world." Is he serious? He thinks the world is behind him on this? France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Israel are not the world.

The world is behind a diplomatic solution to the crisis in Syria, not an unlimited war which is the direction that Washington and its allies in Saudi Arabia and Israel have taken. Washington is more interested in regime change than peace or stability. Washington wants Assad gone, whatever it takes, no matter the costs. And that is a recipe for disaster, as the past two and a half years have shown.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:50 am

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Pokergate: McCain Plays Online During "Debate" On Raining Casual Death on Children in Distant Lands, Then Makes Jokes About It Because, Ha Ha, War
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Playing Poker While Damascus Prepares to Burn Dept: So John McCain - aka Sen. Angry Grampy - was caught playing poker on his iPhone during a Senate hearing on bombing Syria, which evidently bored him because he already knows we just need to stop dithering and go for it already because what's another ill-considered, citizen-opposed, open-ended war on brown-skinned people, who must know, just like we do, that war's just a game, right? When he got caught, he like totally redeemed himself by tweeting a joke about the "scandal" and how the worst thing was, "I lost!" Ha, good one grampy. Idiot warmonger: May he one day reap what he so blithely sows.

Update: Now he says he doesn't support the Senate resolution because it's not war-like enough for him.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:03 am

Russia sends 3 warships to Syria
The build-up towards a possible foreign intervention in Syria is getting closer by the day and the allies have been deploying their arsenals in nearby waters. Russia has responded to the anchoring of U.S warships near Syria by sending a missile cruiser, Moskva, to take over “as the flagship of the naval task force” in the Middle East.
White House has been campaigning for a “limited” military attack on Syria claiming that the regime has used chemicals against its citizens. Russia has challenged the claims and has asked for evidences proving that Damascus is guilty to be provided. President Putin said he could be in support of a military intervention is such evidences are presented.
Russia is planning to send two more ships to the region. According to military sources, Moskva will be joined by a destroyer from Russia’s Baltic Fleet and a frigate from the Black Sea Fleet. Kremlin says the ships are tasked with the defending Russia’s interest in the region. Moskva is expected to be in the east Mediterranean “in approximately 10 days.”
The United States ordered its ships to stay close to Syria since last week. Plans for limited strikes have received a positive boost as key figures in the U.S. Congress offered their support. President Putin has warned that any military attack on another state without the U.N’s support would be illegal.
There are fears that an attack on Assad will lead to an uncontrollable regional warfare. The rebels have been enjoying the support of European countries, the U.S and some Arab states while Damascus continues to be backed by Russia, China and Iran.
Russia has declared that it has no intentions to react militarily in the region.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby NeonLX » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:08 am

Re: Grumpy Grampy McCain...a teabagger coworker of mine had seen this picture. He said, "I hate McCain. He's way too far to the left". Then he said the same thing about Lindsey Graham.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:06 am

SEPTEMBER 05, 2013


Moment of Truth Approaching
Jordan Invites US Targets for Syrian Retaliation
by NICOLA NASSER
Located at the crossroads of several regional crises, including the Palestinian – Israeli and Iraqi conflicts, Jordan has been in the eye of the Syrian storm for more than thirty months, and managed to navigate safely so far, but the reportedly imminent US strike is pressuring the country between the rock and the hard place of the antagonists of the war on Syria.

Heavily burdened by the pressure of its strategic allies and financers in the US and the GCC Arab states, who have been leading an unwavering bloody campaign for a “regime change” in Damascus, Jordan could not but yield to their demands for logistical facilities in the country, consequently shooting its self-proclaimed neutrality in the legs.

Thus, grudgingly or otherwise, Jordan has in practice invited potential US targets for Syrian retaliation on its territory if and when the Syrian government perceives that those facilities are used in any US-led strike, now expected.

Anthony Cordesman, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, on August 29, interviewed by abcnews online, said that “Jordanian targets” could be targeted by Syria or by a Syrian allied “third party,” a possible development that could embroil the US in defense.

Should such a scenario develop, Jordan will evolve unwillingly into a war zone, to regret yielding to the prerogatives of its strategic alliance with the United States regardless of who emerges winner or loser in the war.

US Targets Invited

When the Eager Lion 2013 exercise ended in June this year, Jordan, inviting a US target for Syrian retaliation, asked the US military to leave behind some equipment, including some F-16s and a Patriot missile defense system.

Then, Jordan’s Prime Minister, Abdullah al-Nsour, indicated a second US target when he told reporters that some 900 U.S. military personnel were in the country, of whom 200 are experts training Jordanians to handle a chemical attack and 700 manning the Patriot system and reportedly 45 F-16 fighter jets.

On last August 14, Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that Jordan asked the United States to provide manned US surveillance aircraft to help keep an eye on its border with Syria; thus a third US target for Syrian retaliation was invited.

The USA embassy would be a fourth target should any planned US strike target Syrian non-military presidential or governmental headquarters.

However the Centcom’s Forward Command in Jordan, officially called Centcom Forward-Jordan (CFJ), remains the oldest and the most important US target for Syrian retaliation.

In mid-August, Gen. Martin Dempsey was in Amman to inaugurate the CFJ, which is manned by 273 US officers, with a closed section, which “houses CIA personnel who control the work of US agents going in and out of Syria,” and also a communications center, where “atop the underground facility is a large surface structure accommodating the American military and civilian offices dealing with Syrian issues from Jordan,” according to the Israeli www.debka.com on August 17, 2013, which confirmed a report two days earlier by The New York Times according to which “American correspondents were allowed to visit the site under ground rules that its location not be disclosed.”

However, on October 18 last year the Egyptian Al-Ahram Weekly reported that the location chosen to host the CFJ was “a Jordanian military base built in an abandoned quarry north of the Jordanian capital Amman, just 35 miles from the Syrian border,” which extends 300 miles along Jordan’s northern flank, and some 120 miles from the Syrian capital Damascus.

Al-Ahram explained that “the origins of the previously secret US deployment in Jordan” dated back to May the same year, “when the Pentagon sent American troops, including Special Forces units, to the country to participate in joint military exercises dubbed Operation Eager Lion. Some 100 military personnel stayed behind and were then joined by dozens more. The task force, according to the New York Times, is commanded by a ‘senior American officer’.”

Speaking to the media at the close of a two-day NATO defense ministers meeting at the time in Brussels, former US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta confirmed the existence of a “US task force that has been sent to Jordan this week after it was first reported in The New York Times,” Al-Ahram added. “The force would be tasked with ensuring the security of the chemical and biological weapons in Syria,” Panetta was quoted as saying. Al-Ahram’s report added: “the outpost near Amman could play a broader role should American policy change” and Washington decide to launch an intervention in Syria.

Denial

The denial of the initial reports about the existence of the CFJ as “not true” by a spokesman from the country’s armed forces, quoted by the state-run news agency Petra, sheds doubt on a statement by Jordan’s PM al-Nsour, quoted by the London –based pan-Arab daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi on Monday, that his country knows nothing about the timing, track and targets of a US military strike in Syria, which the US President is now seeking an “authorization” from the Congress to launch.

Al-Nsour’s “lack of knowledge” sounds odd in view of the long established multi-faceted strategic ties between Jordan and the United States, which makes it the obligation of Washington to inform Amman in advance of at least the “timing” of the imminent US strike and makes it an obligation of the Jordanian government to ask for it, at least to be on equal footing with the other Israeli strategic “partner” of the US; it is public knowledge now that the US is committed to inform Israel in advance of any imminent US strike on Syria.

In comparison, at least logistically, if not militarily, especially as far as the Syrian conflict is concerned, Jordan is much more important to the US than Israel to deserve a US warning in advance of any imminent strike.

Moreover, Jordan is in the immediate danger of being flooded with more Syrian refugees who for sure will be an integral part of the humanitarian crisis that the US strike will inevitably exacerbate in Syria.

Unless Jordan is denying its “lknowledge” to avert being accused by Syria of complicity with the US, al-Nsour’s “lack of knowledge” sounds more odd not only because his country hosts the CFJ.

Hosting and participating in the meetings of the US – led so – called “Friends of Syria,” as well as the military meetings of eleven chiefs of staff of “The Friends of Syria Core Group,” in addition to hosting the annual Eager Lion exercises, let alone the bilateral strategic ties between Jordan and the US and the anti-Syria members of the GCC, have all combined to posture the country as being an active member of what the Syrian government rename as the “Enemies of Syria,” who are party in the conflict and not part of its solution.

Moment of Truth Approaching

The Eager Lion exercises, from the start, focused on training to intervene and secure the purported Syrian chemical weapons if and when developments dictate such an intervention, which the imminent US strike is now turning into a matter of time.

Last June 18 the AP reported that the Eager Lion Drills “are focused on ground operations, involving commandos from Jordan … practicing offensive operations.” Although the Jordanian embassy spokeswoman in Washington D.C., Dana Zureikat Daoud, told The Center for Public Integrity earlier this year that those drills are “not mission-oriented,” reported recent involvement of Jordanian commandos in Libya and elsewhere in the region gives credence to the reports on their possible involvement anew in Syria.

US Secretary of State, John Kerry, during his testimony at the Congress on Tuesday, while confirming that the administration of President Barak Obama “has zero intention of putting troops on the ground,” he in practice retained the option of sending US “boots” to Syria.

“I don’t want to take off the table an option that might or might not be available to the president of the United States” in a scenario where “Syria imploded” and stockpiles of chemical weapons needed to be secured from extremists, he said.

It is public knowledge now that what Obama said will be a strike “limited in time and scope” aims at “degrading” Syrian chemical “capabilities;” the purported Syrian chemical weapons which are now very well secured will be far less secured after the strike and will demand immediate intervention to secure them.

So the moment of truth is around the corner for an intervention either from or with the participation of Jordan, where training in preparation for this moment has been going on by leaps and bounds for the past two years, expectedly inviting reciprocal Syrian preparations for retaliation.

A Syrian possible military clash with Jordan or with Jordanian – hosted US – led intervention units was only a postponed development and will most likely be accelerated by the US planned strike, which is expected to embroil Jordan militarily in the Syrian conflict, willingly or unwillingly.

Counterbalancing with Syrians

To counterbalance with the Syrians, who so far seem flexible enough or under too much pressure to open a diplomatic or non – diplomatic dispute with their southern Arab neighbor, Jordan kept the diplomatic and security channels of communication open with Damascus and went on record to offset its “enemy” posture, but only verbally, to make Jordan a place where words and deeds collide.

As recently as August 29, Jordan’s King Abdullah II after a meeting with Pope Francis, according to an official Vatican statement, reaffirmed that dialogue is the “only option” to end the conflict in Syria.

More than twenty two months ago, in comments in the Oval Office alongside President Obama, King Abdullah II was the first Arab leader to urge Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step aside. “I believe, if I were in his shoes, I would step down,” he told BBC World News in an exclusive interview.

So far, Jordan declined to go public and on record in a clear-cut opposition to the imminent US strike; not excluding the military option, Information Minister Mohammad Momani said that “Jordan believes diplomatic efforts must be exhausted before Washington opts for military action,” but PM Al-Nsour said there will be “no strategic” benefit in insisting on striking Syria and he as well his Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh reiterated that the territory of the kingdom “will not be a launchpad for any military operation against Syria.”

Jordan’s noninterference in internal Syrian affairs is the officially declared policy, but the reported training in the country of Syrian opposition fighters, the recent visit to the country by the President of the Syrian National Coalition (SNC), Ahmad al-Jarba, the latter’s visit to southern Syria across the Jordanian borders and the reports about opening a SNC representative office in Amman after al-Jarba’s meeting with Nasser Judeh, and the reported infiltration of arms and “Jihadists” from Jordan into Syria are all indications that compromise Jordan’s officially declared policy of noninterference.

In April this year, Syrian President al-Assad said that Amman “is facilitating the passage of thousands of fighters into our country;” it was his first public warning to Jordan. His state TV told the Jordanians they were “playing with fire.” The Syrian newspaper Al-Thawra, also said in a front-page editorial that the Jordanian government “could not claim neutrality” anymore.

Al-Assad added that he had sent envoys to the kingdom during the preceding two months to remind Amman of the two countries’ shared goal of fighting the “terrorists.” “The fire does not stop at our border and everyone knows that Jordan is exposed to what Syria is exposed to.”

In November 2005, al-Qaeda mounted a series of devastating bomb attacks at three luxury hotels in the Jordanian capital, killing some 60 people. The attacks were said to be in retaliation for Jordan hosting training centers for the new Iraqi army and police, and for becoming a de facto logistical transit base in support of the US occupation of Iraq in 2003.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:33 am

6 Major Players Who Turned the Syrian Crisis Into a Devastating Proxy War Nightmare
What started out as a civil uprising against Bashar al-Assad’s regime has turned into a regional proxy war that is engulfing the Middle East.

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The Syrian uprising’s first stirrings in 2011 marked the Arab Spring’s arrival to a country ruled by a regime intent on holding onto power forever. But two and a half years after protests first broke out, the uprising has turned into a catastrophic civil war fueled by outside powers jockeying for their own interests.

Inspired by the fall of dictators in Egypt and Tunisia, Syrian children in the border town of Deraa drew anti-government graffiti on a school in February 2011. The arrests and brutal torture of the 15 young boys sparked protests that spread across the country. The Assad regime unleashed immense firepower on Syrian demonstrators calling for democracy and an end to the Assad family’s 43-year reign. The opposition then took up arms, eventually forming what came to be known as the Free Syrian Army (FSA), a ragtag group of fighters loosely organized to try to bring down Assad’s regime. While the FSA has taken over some territory, the Assad regime still exercises power in the country.

Meanwhile, the ongoing fighting has attracted thousands of foreign fighters, some of them radical Islamists, to take on Assad, who is viewed unfavorably by them because of his Alawite religious sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam.

Outside powers also got involved quickly. So what started out as a civil uprising against years of repression, poverty and government corruption turned into a regional proxy war that is now engulfing the entire Middle East, with the nonviolent section of the opposition withering under the weight of civil war. Refugees have poured into Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq and Jordan, and Lebanon has itself seen fighting linked to the Syrian crisis.

Now, the United States’ threats to rain cruise missiles down on Damascus threatens to ignite more turmoil in the region. Here’s a guide to the external players playing a role in and fueling the Syrian crisis, which has claimed the lives of over 100,000 people and displaced a third of the population.

1. United States

The looming military strikes on Syria by the U.S. would be the most forceful intervention yet from the world’s superpower. But even without the strikes, the U.S. has long played an outside role during the Syrian civil war.

President Barack Obama first showed his hand in 2011, when he said, “the time has come for President Assad to step aside.” By the next year, the CIA was training Syrian rebels in Jordan, a longstanding ally of the U.S. now playing an important role as a base for the rebels and a haven for millions of refugees. CIA agents have trained a small group of FSA fighters with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons in the hopes of helping American-vetted rebels gain an upper hand in the civil war. And in March 2013, the New York Times reportedthat “with help from the C.I.A., Arab governments and Turkey have sharply increased their military aid to Syria’s opposition fighters.”

The training of rebels represented a direct break from past U.S. dealings with the Assad regime. Before the uprising emerged, the U.S. had a complicated relationship with Syria which included cooperation on anti-terrorism, sanctioning the regime and meeting with the Assads to encourage U.S.-backed reform measures.

But the U.S. training of the rebels made only a small impact. Perhaps the most effective fighting force within Syria has been the Jabhat al-Nusra front, an Al-Qaeda linked group. Trepidation about U.S. arms falling into the hands of jihadist groups that could threaten Israel and other U.S. allies has tempered the willingness to open the arms floodgates. Although the U.S. Congress authorized arming the rebels earlier this year, much of the equipment hasn’t reached the rebels.

Now, the alleged chemical weapons attack on a Syrian suburb seems to have overridden past qualms about not getting in too deep. Cruise missile strikes may not shift the battlefield, but it could embroil the U.S. further into the war while doing little to calm the refugee and humanitarian crises.

2. Iran

The Obama administration’s pitch to lawmakers to convince them bombing Syria is a good idea centers on the alleged threat from Iran. They have been telling Congress it’s important to send a message to Iran about its own nuclear energy program. And hawkish U.S. politicians have long framed the Syrian crisis as an opportunity to strike a blow at Iran.

There’s a reason for all the focus on Iran: it's a crucial ally of the Assad regime. Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran, the two countries have been largely united by the common political goals of opposition to the U.S. and Israel, though there have been rough patches in their partnership. For Iran, Syria is a crucial foothold in the Arab world and a conduit for arming the Lebanese group Hezbollah. Iran has poured billions of dollars of investments in Syria. And during the Syrian civil war, Iran has been a key force helping Assad stay in power. Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops have reportedly fought on the side of Assad.

The Iranian leadership is opposed to a U.S. strike on Syria, though Iran’s past with chemical weapons has led officials to denounce their use in the civil war without explicitly assigning blame. The potential U.S. strike on Syria could impact hopes of rapprochement between Iran and the U.S.—hopes that have intensified since the election of Iran’s president Hassan Rouhani earlier this year.

3. Hezbollah

Closely linked to Iran’s involvement in Syria is Hezbollah’s even greater involvement. The Lebanese militant group that grew out of resisting the Israeli occupation of Lebanon and won the praise of Arabs in various countries for that feat is a key ally of Iran and Syria. Iran provided the arms that made Hezbollah such a potent force because Syria allowed it to do so. Now, Hezbollah is deeply enmeshed in the Syrian civil war, acting as an effective fighting force to keep Assad in power. Hezbollah sees the survival of the Assad regime as crucial to its own survival.

Since the civil war started, there have long been reports of Hezbollah fighters backing Assad. But it was decisively confirmed in May 2013, when Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah gave a speech casting the Syrian conflict as a battle against America, Israel and the radical Sunni jihadists he claimed they were backing. Hezbollah fighters were sent to fight alongside Syrian forces in the strategic town of Qusayr, and in June Syria captured the town from rebels.

Hezbollah’s actions have been controversial within Lebanon, with some questioning why Hezbollah is fighting other Arabs instead of Israel. And the war has followed Hezbollah back home. Lebanon—which, like Syria, is composed of various competing ethnic and religious groups—was beset by intense fighting between sides who back different players in Syria over the summer. Car bombs have targeted Lebanese Shiite neighborhoods, where Hezbollah’s power is the strongest. And refugees have flowed into Lebanon, adding considerable economic and political strain to the country.

4. Israel

Israel and Syria have a complicated relationship. Officially, they are enemies. Syria was one of a handful of Arab states that fought Israel in a number of wars, most notably the 1967 war, when Israel captured the Golan Heights from Syria and occupied it ever since. In a move never recognized by the international community, Israel annexed the part of Golan it controlled in 1981, and it has built illegal settlements in the Israeli-controlled side of the area. It has long been a Syrian goal to regain the Golan Heights, and negotiations between the two sides have accelerated over the past decade with that goal in mind. But they have not been successful, and Israel continues to control part of the Heights.

The Syrian regime has long used anti-Israel rhetoric as a rallying cry to bolster its own legitimacy. But that rhetoric has never matched military action to retake the Golan. And Israel has been perfectly content with the Assad regime’s rule, since it provided much needed stability on its border with Syria, though Syria has backed Israel’s more potent enemies, Hamas and Hezbollah, though the relationship with Hamas has frayed since the Palestinian group announced it was supporting the uprising against Assad.

Israel’s preferred outcome of the conflict is to have no solution at all—to have both sides, neither of whom Israel particularly likes, fight and bleed each other dry. Although the fall of the Syrian regime would greatly weaken Hezbollah and Iran, Israel is wary of the prospect of radical Islamists who are willing to turn their arms toward the Jewish state.

The most decisive action Israel has taken has been to bomb Syria as the regime sought to transfer weapons to Hezbollah. Israel has launched airstrikes on Syria three times since the uprising began. But those strikes were not aimed at toppling Assad.

Now, Israel is backing U.S. bombs on Syria, and supplied intelligence to the U.S. to make its chemical weapons case. But its willingness to see U.S. intervention is more about Iran than Syria. Israel wants the U.S. to show Iran that a “red line” crossed would mean military action. That’s why the pro-Israel U.S. lobbying group, American Israel Public Affairs Committee, is also backing U.S. strikes on Syria.

5. Russia

While the U.S. has only tepidly backed the overthrow of Assad, Russia has decisively backed the Assad regime. Russia has vetoed every UN Security Council attempt to take action against the Assad regime. It is also steadfastly opposed to any military action against Assad, and retains close political and intelligence links to the Syrian regime.

Russia’s close ties to Syria dates to a Cold War-era alliance, but the collapse of the Soviet Union did not end the relationship. Russia’s only naval base in the Mediterranean is located in Syria, providing it a military foothold outside of its normal purview and a sphere of some influence in the Middle East. Syria is also a frequent buyer of Russian arms. Furthermore, Russia also has its own reasons to worry about the radical Islamists who are part of the rebel groups in Syria. Russia has battled an Islamist-fueled insurgency in Chechnya, and it’s wary of any similar group gaining power.

Lastly, as former U.S. intelligence officer Wayne White explains, Russia “may well view supporting Bashar al-Assad as yet another way of expressing displeasure with much of the criticism they have received from Washington predating the Syrian uprising, and demonstrating that their Middle East policy is not subject to American approval.”

6. Saudi Arabia

This theocratic monarchy and close U.S. ally has been a crucial node of opposition to the Arab Spring in many countries. But in Syria, Saudi Arabia would like nothing more than to see the Assad regime fall in order to install a Sunni Arab regime friendly to Saudi interests. And they’re forcefully backing the prospect of U.S. military action.

Saudi Arabia’s preoccupation in recent years has been Iran. Both powers have their own spheres of influence, and are locked in a battle for regional hegemony. So they see the downfall of the Assad regime as a decisive blow against Iran’s government.

Saudi Arabia has translated this desire into action. It has funded and armed Syrian rebels, including to Islamists. (Qatar, another oil-rich country, is backing its own group of rebels, and these also include jihadists.) A small number of Saudis funded by rich compatriots have also flocked to Syria to fight the Assad regime.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:54 am

this is the DEAL....as talked about up thread

Special Report: Syria intervention plans fueled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concerns

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On 21 August, hundreds - perhaps over a thousand - people were killed in a chemical weapon attack in Ghouta, Damascus, prompting the U.S., UK, Israel and France to raise the spectre of military strikes against Bashir al Assad's forces which, they say, carried out the attack.

To be sure, the latest episode is merely one more horrific event in a conflict that has increasingly taken on genocidal characteristics. The case for action at first glance is indisputable. The UN now confirms a death toll over 100,000 people, the vast majority of whom have been killed by Assad's troops. An estimated 4.5 million people have been displaced from their homes. International observers have overwhelmingly confirmed Assad's complicity in the preponderance of war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Syrian people. The illegitimacy of his regime, and the legitimacy of the uprising against it, is clear.

But the interests of the west are a different matter.


Chemical confusion

While the U.S. and Israel have taken a lead in claiming firm evidence that the latest attack was indeed a deployment of chemical weapons by Assad's regime, justifying a military intervention of some sort, questions remain.

The main evidence cited by the U.S. linking the attacks to Syria are intercepted phone calls among other intelligence, the bulk of which was provided by Israel. "Last Wednesday, in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus," reported Foreign Policy, "an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people."

This account is hardly decisive proof of Assad's culpability in the attack - what one can reasonably determine here is that Syrian defense officials do not seem to have issued specific orders for such a strike, and were attempting to investigate whether their own chemical weapons unit was indeed responsible.

On the attack itself, experts are unanimous that the shocking footage of civilians, including children, suffering the effects of some sort of chemical attack, is real - but remain divided on whether it involved military-grade chemical weapons associated with Assad's arsenal, or were a more amateur concoction potentially linked to the rebels.

Many independent chemical weapons experts point out the insufficiency of evidence to draw any firm conclusions. Steven Johnson, chemical explosives experts at Cranfield Forensic Institute, pointed to inconsistencies in the video footage and the symptoms displayed by victims, raising questions about the nature of the agents used. Although trauma to the nervous system was clear: "At this stage everyone wants a ‘yes-no’ answer to chemical attack. But it is too early to draw a conclusion just from these videos."

Dan Kaszeta, a former officer of the U.S. Army’s Chemical Corps, said: "None of the people treating the casualties or photographing them are wearing any sort of chemical-warfare protective gear, and despite that, none of them seem to be harmed... there are none of the other signs you would expect to see in the aftermath of a chemical attack, such as intermediate levels of casualties, severe visual problems, vomiting and loss of bowel control."

Gwyn Winfield of chemical weapons journal CBRNe World said it was difficult to pin down a specific chemical from the symptoms seen in footage, but suggested it could be either a chemical weapon or a riot control agent: "The lack of conventional munition marks does suggest that it was a non-conventional munition, or an RCA (riot control agent) in a confined space, but who fired it and what it was has yet to be proved."

Other experts cited by Agence France Presse (AFP) concur with these assessments - either disagreeing that the footage proved military-grade chemical weapons, or noting the inadequacy of evidence implicating a specific perpetrator.

What little evidence is available in the public record on past deployment of chemical agents has implicated both Assad and the rebels - not the Free Syrian Army (FSA) as a whole, but rather militant jihadist factions linked to al-Qaeda and funded by the likes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

In March this year, a major attack on the predominantly Shi'a town of Khan al-Assal killing 26 people including civilians and Syrian soldiers was apparently committed by rebels "with al-Qaeda sympathies." U.S. weapons experts suspected that the victims were exposed to a "caustic" agent such as chlorine, not a military-grade chemical weapon but "an improvised chemical device." As the Telegraph reports: "There has been extensive experimentation by insurgents in Iraq in the use of chlorine."

Indeed, in May 2007, al-Qaeda in Iraq had attempted a series of suicide attacks using bombs built from chlorine gas containers. Last year, Syrian jihadist groups led by the al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusrah Front, linked to Iraqi al-Qaeda forces, captured several Syrian military bases stocking Scud and anti-aircraft missiles, as well as a chlorine factory near Aleppo.

Yet eyewitness reports from victims and doctors have also alleged many other instances of chemical weapons attacks attributed by locals to Syrian government forces.

Just three months before the most recent attack, however, former war crimes prosecutor Carla del Ponte, an independent UN war crimes investigator on Syria, told Channel 4 that evidence derived from interviews with victims, doctors and field hospitals confirmed that rebels had used the nerve agent sarin:

"I have seen that there are concrete suspicions if not irrefutable proof that there has been use of sarin gas... This use was made by the opponent rebels and not from the governmental authorities."

According to Channel 4, "she had not found evidence of sarin's use by President Bashar al-Assad's regime."

Meanwhile, the latest UN report released in June 2013 confirms several allegations of chemical weapons attacks but concludes it:

"... has not been possible, on the evidence available, to determine the precise chemical agents used, their delivery systems or the perpetrator."

Further complicating the matter, Dave Gavlak, a veteran Middle East correspondent for Associated Press, cites interviews with "doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families" who believe that "certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the gas attack." The arms were reportedly given by al-Nusrah fighters to ordinary rebels without informing them of their nature. "More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government." Gavlak's report comes with the caveat that some of its information "cannot be independently verified."

Could it be disinformation planted by Assad agents in Damascus, as happened with the Houla massacre?

We will have to wait for the findings of UN weapons inspectors to see whether any further clarity can be added with regards to the latest attack. In the words of Foreign Policy magazine:

"Given that U.N. inspectors with a mandate to investigate chemical weapons use were on the ground when the attack happened, the decision to deploy what appears to have been a nerve agent in a suburb east of Damascus has puzzled many observers. Why would Syria do such a thing when it is fully aware that the mass use of chemical weapons is the one thing that might require the United States to take military action against it? That's a question U.S. intelligence analysts are puzzling over as well. 'We don't know exactly why it happened,' the intelligence official said. 'We just know it was pretty fucking stupid.'"

Imperial pretensions from Syria to Iran

U.S. agitation against Syria began long before today's atrocities at least seven years ago in the context of wider operations targeting Iranian influence across the Middle East.

In 2006, a little-known State Department committee - the Iran-Syria Policy and Operations Group - was meeting weekly to "coordinate actions such as curtailing Iran's access to credit and banking institutions, organizing the sale of military equipment to Iran's neighbors and supporting forces that oppose the two regimes." U.S. officials said "the dissolution of the group was simply a bureaucratic reorganization" because of a "widespread public perception that it was designed to enact regime change."

Despite the dissolution of the group, covert action continued. In May 2007, a presidential finding revealed that Bush had authorized "nonlethal" CIA operations against Iran. Anti-Syria operations were also in full swing around this time as part of this covert programme, according to Seymour Hersh, reporting for the New Yorker. A range of U.S. government and intelligence sources told him that the Bush administration had "cooperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations" intended to weaken the Shi'ite Hezbollah in Lebanon. "The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria," wrote Hersh, "a byproduct" of which is "the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups" hostile to the United States and "sympathetic to al-Qaeda." He noted that "the Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria," with a view to pressure him to be "more conciliatory and open to negotiations" with Israel. One faction receiving covert U.S. "political and financial support" through the Saudis was the exiled Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.

A year later, Alexander Cockburn revealed that a new finding authorized covert action undermining Iran "across a huge geographical are - from Lebanon to Afghanistan", and would include support for a wide range of terrorist and military groups such as Mujahedin-e-Khalq and Jundullah in Balochistan, including al-Qaeda linked groups:

"Other elements that will benefit from U.S. largesse and advice include Iranian Kurdish nationalists, as well the Ahwazi arabs of south west Iran. Further afield, operations against Iran’s Hezbollah allies in Lebanon will be stepped up, along with efforts to destabilize the Syrian regime."

It is perhaps not entirely surprising in this context that according to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: "I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business", he told French television:

"I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer minister for foreign affairs, if I would like to participate."

Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor included notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials confirming U.S.-UK covert operations in Syria since 2011:

"After a couple hours of talking, they said without saying that SOF [Special Operations Forces] teams (presumably from U.S., UK, France, Jordan, Turkey) are already on the ground focused on recce [reconnaissance] missions and training opposition forces... I kept pressing on the question of what these SOF teams would be working toward, and whether this would lead to an eventual air campaign to give a Syrian rebel group cover. They pretty quickly distanced themselves from that idea, saying that the idea 'hypothetically' is to commit guerrilla attacks, assassination campaigns, try to break the back of the Alawite forces, elicit collapse from within... They don’t believe air intervention would happen unless there was enough media attention on a massacre, like the Gaddafi move against Benghazi. They think the U.S. would have a high tolerance for killings as long as it doesn't reach that very public stage."

"Collapsing" Assad's regime is thus a final goal, though military intervention would only be politically feasible - read domestically palatable for western populations - in the context of "a massacre" so grievous it would lead to a public outcry.

In another email to Stratfor executive Fred Burton from James F. Smith, former director of Blackwater and current CEO of another private security firm SCG International, Smith confirmed that he was part of "a fact finding mission for Congress" being deployed to "engage Syrian opposition in Turkey (non-MB and non-Qatari)." The "true mission" for the "fact finding" team was how:

"... they can help in regime change."

The email added that Smith intended to offer "his services to help protect the opposition members, like he had underway in Libya." He also said that Booz Allen Hamilton - the same defence contractor that employed Edward Snowden to run NSA surveillance programmes - "is also working [with] the Agency on a similar request."


Grand strategy: shoring up Gulf oil autocracies, "salafi jihadism" and sectarian violence

So what is this unfolding strategy to undermine Syria, Iran and so on, all about? According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the U.S. Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to "attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years." A Pentagon officer familiar with the memo told him, "we’re going to start with Iraq, and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran." In a subsequent interview, Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region's vast oil and gas resources.

As Glen Greenwald pointed out:

"... in the aftermath of military-caused regime change in Iraq and Libya... with concerted regime change efforts now underway aimed at Syria and Iran, with active and escalating proxy fighting in Somalia, with a modest military deployment to South Sudan, and the active use of drones in six - count ‘em: six - different Muslim countries, it is worth asking whether the neocon dream as laid out by Clark is dead or is being actively pursued and fulfilled, albeit with means more subtle and multilateral than full-on military invasions."

Indeed, much of the strategy currently at play in the region was candidly described in a 2008 U.S. Army-funded RAND report, Unfolding the Future of the Long War. The report noted that "the economies of the industrialized states will continue to rely heavily on oil, thus making it a strategically important resource." As most oil will be produced in the Middle East, the U.S. has "motive for maintaining stability in and good relations with Middle Eastern states." The report further acknowledges:

"The geographic area of proven oil reserves coincides with the power base of much of the Salafi-jihadist network. This creates a linkage between oil supplies and the long war that is not easily broken or simply characterized... For the foreseeable future, world oil production growth and total output will be dominated by Persian Gulf resources... The region will therefore remain a strategic priority, and this priority will interact strongly with that of prosecuting the long war."

In this context, the report identitied many potential trajectories for regional policy focused on protecting access to Gulf oil supplies, among which the following are most salient:

"Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces... the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace... U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the 'Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict' trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world.... possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly hostile Iran."

Exploring different scenarios for this trajectory, the report speculated that the U.S. may concentrate "on shoring up the traditional Sunni regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan as a way of containing Iranian power and influence in the Middle East and Persian Gulf." Noting that this could actually empower al-Qaeda jihadists, the report concluded that doing so might work in western interests by focusing jihadi activity on internal sectarian rivalry rather than targeting the U.S., thus bogging down both Iranian-sponsored groups like Hezbollah and al-Qaeda affiliated networks in mutual conflict:

"One of the oddities of this long war trajectory is that it may actually reduce the al-Qaeda threat to U.S. interests in the short term. The upsurge in Shia identity and confidence seen here would certainly cause serious concern in the Salafi-jihadist community in the Muslim world, including the senior leadership of al-Qaeda. As a result, it is very likely that al-Qaeda might focus its efforts on targeting Iranian interests throughout the Middle East and Persian Gulf while simultaneously cutting back on anti-American and anti-Western operations."

The RAND document contextualised this strategy with surprisingly prescient recognition of the increasing vulnerability of the U.S.'s key allies and enemies - Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Egypt, Syria, Iran - to the converging crises of rapidly rising populations, a 'youth bulge', internal economic inequalities, political frustrations, sectarian tensions, and water shortages, all of which could destabilize these countries from within or exacerbate inter-state conflicts.

The report noted especially that Syria is among several "downstream countries that are becoming increasingly water scarce as their populations grow", increasing a risk of conflict. Drought in Syria due to climate change, impacting food prices, did indeed play a major role in sparking the 2011 uprisings. Though the RAND document fell far short of recognizing the prospect of an 'Arab Spring', it illustrates that three years before the 2011 uprisings, U.S. defense officials were alive to the region's growing instabilities, and concerned by the potential consequences for stability of Gulf oil.


Pipeline politics

These strategic concerns, motivated by fear of expanding Iranian influence, impacted Syria primarily in relation to pipeline geopolitics. In 2009 - the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria - Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets - albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad's rationale was "to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed by in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines. The pipeline would potentially allow Iran to supply gas to European markets.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.

Israel also has a direct interest in countering the Iran-brokered pipeline. In 2003, just a month after the commencement of the Iraq War, U.S. and Israeli government sources told The Guardian of plans to "build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel" bypassing Syria. The basis for the plan, known as the Haifa project, goes back to a 1975 MoU signed by then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, "whereby the U.S. would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis." As late as 2007, U.S. and Israeli government officials were in discussion on costs and contingencies for the Iraq-Israel pipeline project.

All the parties intervening in Syria's escalating conflict - the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel on one side providing limited support to opposition forces, with Russia, China and Iran on the other shoring up Assad's regime - are doing so for their own narrow, competing geopolitical interests.


Supporting al-Qaeda

Certainly, external support for the rebels funneled largely through Saudi Arabia and Qatar has empowered extremists. The New York Times found that most of the arms supplied with U.S. approval "are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups" - a process which continues. The support for militants is steadily transforming the Syrian landscape. "Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists", reported NYT in April:

"Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government. Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of."

And there are even questions about the U.S.' purported disavowal of the al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra. NYT reports that "Nusra’s hand is felt most strongly in Aleppo", where it has established in coordination with other rebel groups "a Shariah Commission" running "a police force and an Islamic court that hands down sentences that have included lashings." Nusra fighters also "control the power plant and distribute flour to keep the city’s bakeries running." Additionally, they "have seized government oil fields" in provinces of Deir al-Zour and Hasaka, and now make a "profit from the crude they produce."

The problem is that al-Nusra's bakery and oil operations are being supported by the U.S. and the European Union (EU) respectively. In one disturbing account, the Washington Post reports on a stealth mission in Aleppo "to deliver food and other aid to needy Syrians - all of it paid for by the U.S. government", including the supply of flour. "The bakery is fully supplied with flour paid for by the United States", the report continues, noting that local consumers, however, "credited Jabhat al-Nusra - a rebel group the United States has designated a terrorist organization because of its ties to al-Qaeda - with providing flour to the region, though he admitted he wasn’t sure where it comes from." Similarly, the EU's easing of an oil embargo to allow oil imports from rebel-controlled oil fields directly benefits al-Nusra fighters who control those former government fields.

No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.
It would seem that contradictory Saudi and Qatari oil interests are pulling the strings of U.S. policy in Syria, if not the wider region. It is this - the problem of establishing a pliable opposition which the U.S. and its oil allies feel confident will play ball, pipeline-style, in a post-Assad Syria - that will determine the nature of any prospective intervention. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, said:

"Syria today is not about choosing between two sides but rather about choosing one among many sides. It is my belief that the side we choose must be ready to promote their interests and ours when the balance shifts in their favor."

What is beyond doubt is that Assad is a war criminal whose government deserves to be overthrown. The question is by whom, and for what interests?


Dr. Nafeez Ahmed is a bestselling author, investigative journalist and international security scholar. He is executive director of the Institute for Policy Research & Development, and author of A User's Guide to the Crisis of Civilization: And How to Save it among other books. He writes for The Guardian on the geopolitics of environmental, energy and economic crises via his Earth insight blog.
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Postby Elvis » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:46 pm

This was on the radio last night, no transcription apparently, but worth listening:

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp130904strike_on_syria_may_

A couple of the guests get close to what I suspect is going on in Syria in regards to who's launching gas attacks etc. Main Topic starts eight minutes in:

Is the Syrian Crisis about More than Chemical Weapons? (1:08PM)

In Sweden today, President Obama shifted responsibility for punishing Syria -- "I didn't set a 'red line,' the world set a red line" – and said the credibility of Congress is on the line. As the debate continues in Washington, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has delayed debate on a bipartisan resolution to authorize force against Syria. On the House side, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs, General Martin Dempsey testified alongside Secretary of State John Kerry. One major player on Capitol Hill is AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. What's Israel itself doing behind the scenes? We hear how countries, including Saudi Arabia, are using the Syrian crisis to advance their own agendas as the Middle East gets more complicated than ever.

Guests:
Gail Russell Chaddock: Christian Science Monitor, @RussellChaddock
MJ Rosenberg: Huffington Post, @MJayRosenberg
Toby Jones: Rutgers University, @tobycraigjones
Madawi Al-Rasheed: London School of Economics and Political Science, @MadawiDr
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Postby Sounder » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:52 pm

Thanks SLAD for keeping up on this and thanks conniption for this article from Saman Mohammadi

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September 5, 2013

An American Attack Against Syria: Some General Thoughts

The debate about going to war against Syria in the United States Congress and press almost entirely leaves out the fact that Assad's regime is fully capable of defending itself and responding to an illegal U.S. strike. Political leaders and their allies in the media are naively confident in the use of force to resolve the crisis in Syria.

In Syria, Washington is not going to war against al-Qaeda, some mythical force out of a fairytale, or a weird dictator who wields iron power over a collection of tribes as in the case of Libya, but a real country with a very long and proud history of resistance to foreign invaders and occupiers.

This fact must be kept in mind. Nations with a long and unique history have an ingrained hostility to outsiders, and it does not matter if outsiders attempt to conquer in the name of religion or for the claimed defense of international norms.

President Obama can give lip service to red lines, chemical weapons, and human dignity as much as he likes, but the fact remains that he is not acting in concert with international law, nor is he acting to defend moral principles and religious values. At the end of the day he is just another thug with a gun, and if guns and thugs can fix the problems of Syria then it would have already happened.

Another important factor is that Assad still enjoys a large amount of popular support, not to mention the support of regional and international allies. So he is far from a dead dog. The man still has credibility in the eyes of many sectors of Syrian society, who don't believe U.S. and French accusations that their leader used chemical weapons against them.

Assad's popularity has not been brought up in the U.S. media and by American leaders. They seem to be going to war against Syria by self-deceiving themselves into it, and this is a very grave mistake, because when a nation goes to war it must know concretely who it is going to war with and why.

To attack a country is a very dangerous crime, and when you have delinquent leaders like Senator John McCain playing a poker game during a war hearing, then there are already serious problems.

Secretary of State Kerry repeated several times to members of Congress on Wednesday that President Obama's decision to attack Syria is not about regime change, but the issue of chemical weapons. He even said at one point that "President Obama is not asking America to go to war."

That trickery may fool Congress into backing military strikes, but it doesn't fool Assad and Syrians, who will view American strikes as a clear act of war and will respond with the bravery that only genuine patriotism and self-sacrifice can bring out in a nation.

The leaders of America must realize that other people love their countries as much as they love their own country, and that they are willing to die to defend their country's sovereignty and their rights. What do you think would happen if Russia and China decide to take out America's nuclear weapons for the international good? Americans will rightly fight back.

And that is what Syrians will do when Obama unjustly and illegally attacks their country. They won't be fighting in defense of Assad's regime, but in defense of their country against foreign invaders.

Of course, American military power cannot be denied, but only a spirit can conquer a country, not a military.

There is no such thing as a "symbolic strike." America will be starting a wide-scale regional war the moment it drops bombs on Syria. Syrian civilians will die in large numbers, and they won't blame Assad, that's a guarantee.

Since President Obama is so intent on attacking Syria without public approval or international consensus he should clearly lay out his reasons and objectives. What is most damning about his case for war is that his arguments are so inconsistent.

President Obama doesn't even have the courage to take responsibility for his own words, saying falsely that he did not draw the red line on chemical weapons, but rather the world did. This is not a positive trait in a leader. If you are going to say something, stand by it. Don't toss the ball to "the world." Is he serious? He thinks the world is behind him on this? France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Israel are not the world.

The world is behind a diplomatic solution to the crisis in Syria, not an unlimited war which is the direction that Washington and its allies in Saudi Arabia and Israel have taken. Washington is more interested in regime change than peace or stability. Washington wants Assad gone, whatever it takes, no matter the costs. And that is a recipe for disaster, as the past two and a half years have shown.

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Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:08 pm

NeonLX » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:08 am wrote:Re: Grumpy Grampy McCain...a teabagger coworker of mine had seen this picture. He said, "I hate McCain. He's way too far to the left". Then he said the same thing about Lindsey Graham.


Yikes! Wouldn't that make Jim Inhofe and Orrin Hatch moderates?

I find the whole teabagger anti-compromise mentality bizarre. I mean, if they want to attend a Syrian anti-war march, they do realize they'll be marching step by step with the same Occupy people they disparaged two years ago, the same socialists (if ANSWER ain't socialist, I don't know what is) they invaded town hall meetings to stop three years ago?

I'm curious what your co-worker would have to say about that. I'll be sure to ask my Glenn Beck-worshipping uncle this Thanksgiving.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:11 pm

Still no specific evidence for those responsible for the attack, even though Great Britain claims to have evidence for traces of sarin. This article doesn't even broach the subject:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/05/world/mea ... civil-war/
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:02 pm

Hey slad, I noticed you haven't posted anything from Justin Raimondo in a while. This one is pretty good (I got a laugh with his description of Rand Paul's aspiration for the Presidency as "the stuff of Karl Rove’s worst nightmares"!) and I'm bolding what really stood out for me:

A Blank Check for War

Obama’s Syrian war resolution paves the way for a wider conflict
by Justin Raimondo, September 02, 2013

Why did the President do an about face and suddenly decide to let Congress vote on intervening in Syria?

It was the polls that did it: only nine percent of the American people support a bombing campaign. The number goes up somewhat if it is proved the Syrian government is responsible for the poison gas attack at Ghouta, and yet still a majority opposes US intervention even in that case.

The Washington know-it-alls invariably disdain the public’s ability to judge the lofty geopolitical and moral concerns of the political class, and they are uniformly horrified by the President’s concession to the hoi polloi – but in the end all politics is local. What determines US foreign policy has little to do with events overseas, and everything to do with the reaction to those events here in the good ol’ US of A. In the face of massive public opposition to any US meddling in the Syrian snake pit, the White House wants the Republicans to at least partially own this, lest the political fallout for the Democrats is too much bear alone.

Americans are in an "isolationist" (i.e. commonsensical) mood. After being lied into war in Iraq, and faced with the prospect of what can only be characterized as a defeat in Afghanistan, a recent Pew poll determined that they overwhelmingly favor a foreign policy of "minding our own business" – as opposed to the political elites, who just as lopsidedly favor a policy of global policing.

This elite-populist divide has been ongoing for some time, but it has never been sharper than right now: an economic downturn coupled with the anti-climactic end of the Iraq war, has the public utterly opposed to another Middle East crusade.

Washington’s answer to this is to turn up the volume of the war propaganda machine: and the legacy media, ever government’s faithful servant, has obliged with endless streams of crying Syrian refugees and "discussions" of the issue amongst pro-war talking heads. The only anti-interventionist voice allowed on air to date has been Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky), the libertarian Republican whose presidential aspirations are the stuff of Karl Rove’s worst nightmares. Faced with David Gregory’s parroting of the State Department line on "Meet the Press," Sen. Paul skewered John Kerry’s eagerness to pull the trigger:

"What I would ask John Kerry is – you know, he’s famous for saying, ‘How can you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake?’ I would ask John Kerry, how can you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?"

Ka-pow!

The lumbering goonish Kerry, with his over-tanned face wrinkled by perpetual perplexity, is a singularly unappealing spokesman for the War Party. This is a role properly belonging to the President, but for some reason Obama is abstaining, leaving Kerry and the media’s laptop bombardiers with the burden of convincing a solidly antiwar public. Perhaps this President doesn’t want to go down in history as the first African-American George W. Bush.

Commentators are puzzled by the curious sequence of recent events: Kerry goes on television and gives every expectation of an imminent American strike on Syria – with the President coming out two days later averring he hasn’t yet made a decision. This sends Kerry scurrying out into the klieg lights once again, with an even more forceful statement – and the media, citing various administration leakers, reports it’s not a question of if but only of when. By the end of Labor Day weekend for sure!

The real shocker came when the President –after a 45-minute Rose Garden stroll with his chief of chief – came back at the Kerryites with the startling announcement that, yes, he had decided to strike – and to seek a vote in Congress.

This game of public relations ping-pong should make us all sit up and wonder who is in charge in Washington. The spectacle of dueling expectations indicates a real struggle within this administration, with powerful elements on the left as well as the right demanding we rush to war.

Although we don’t have any definitive account of the internal wrangling preceding the President’s decision, what we might call the Power faction – on account of the new UN ambassador’s championing of the "responsibility to meddle protect" doctrine – wanted the President to forget Congress and usher in autumn with some good old shock-and-awe. According to these folks, it’s a "humanitarian" intervention and for that we don’t need anyone’s permission: this is the common ideological thread linking the "progressive" national security Democrats with the neocons in the GOP.

On the other hand, one imagines it was the political people who caviled at the mere thought of another intervention just as plans for the Clinton Restoration are getting underway. That poll showing nine percent support US involvement in Syria must have had them frantic. As for the Pentagon, they’ve been against it from the beginning, with joint chiefs head honcho Gen. Jack Dempsey going public in his opposition to military intervention well before the Ghouta incident.

This President, who has successfully resisted constant calls for intervention for over a year, finds himself besieged by a political class intent on war – and a chorus of war cries from our Middle Eastern and European allies, who are chafing at the bit to divide up the Syrian spoils. It’s almost as if he knows what he’s doing is quite wrong – and more, that the case for linking the Assad regime to what happened in Ghouta is far less airtight than his Secretary of State is claiming. That case is built on alleged signals intelligence picked up by the Israelis – a source of much of the bogus "evidence" for Saddam Hussein’s nonexistent WMD. Whatever the level of the President’s personal confidence in the intelligence presented so far, what’s undeniable is that Obama is asking the leaders of both parties to own this, to take responsibility come what may – because he knows what’s coming.

Obama has given himself an out – and, in his imperial magnanimity, he’s given us an out, too. By putting this up for a vote in Congress, he’s giving us the opportunity to do what the American public haven’t had the chance to do since the long-forgotten days of Harry Truman – and that is to weigh in on the vital question of war and peace. It was the pygmy from Peoria who set the horrible precedent of taking military action without congressional approval when he sent US GIs into the Korean meat-grinder, a misbegotten war that ended in stalemate and continues to haunt us to this day. Ever since then, Presidents have ignored the clear constitutional mandate given only to Congress and ordered troops into battle willy-nilly. A President backed into a corner has returned this right to Congress – a post-Truman precedent we must fight to preserve.

Right now, however, it is absolutely imperative that you call your congressional representatives and register your opposition to this ill-considered and dangerous adventure. Because even if you think the Assad regime is responsible for the poison gas attack, and even if you believe he deserves some sort of punishment to be delivered by us, the proposed authorization for the use of military force is very broad, allowing for a wide range of actions far beyond the "limited" strike promised by the President:

"a) Authorization. – The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria in order to –

"(1) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such weapons; or

"(2) protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such weapons."

This authorization has neither geographical nor any practical limit: it could send US troops into Lebanon in search of sarin gas allegedly transferred to Hezbollah. It empowers the President to act anywhere in the world against any state or non-state actor provided some tenuous link to Syrian WMD can be established. It could easily be invoked as justification for moving against Iran – after all, the Iranians are aiding and abetting the Assad regime, and are therefore enabling the use of such weapons. Furthermore, the resolution clearly does not rule out US boots on the ground.

In short, the proposed authorization is a blank check, one that could and will be used to justify a gradual escalation of the conflict into an all-out military campaign bent on regime change. This is already the announced goal of the US government: Hillary Clinton, during her tenure at the State Department, declared "Assad must go," and now Washington is making good on its implied threat. Kerry and Clinton have long argued for arming the Syrian rebels, and now phase two of their regime change operation is kicking in.


The vaguely-worded text of this war resolution should be enough to scare off even those members of congress who might be inclined to vote for a more limited authorization. Sen. Paul gives it a fifty-fifty chance in the House of Representatives, but given the wording I’d say more like forty-sixty. This is one battle the peace camp can win – but only if you act.

I know many of my readers are skeptical every time I ask them to call their congressional representatives. They may have a point, but I would argue that this time it’s imperative, both morally and politically. Contrary to popular belief, it does have an effect – especially in this particular instance. These people are politicians: they not only want to win reelection, they want to be liked. The prospect of another war is deeply unpopular, and they know it. By hammering this point home, a flurry of calls is bound to register in their minds as a sign to run for cover. They’re already wondering: if this turns out badly, and I’m on the record supporting it, do I really want to go there? Your calls will increase their doubts.

Congress, at the behest of the Israel lobby, passed a series of anti-Syrian resolutions nearly unanimously, and nobody noticed: now the President is handing them the control panel and giving them the option to press the red button. It’s a masterful bit of political jiu-jitsu – and we who want to stop the rush to war must take full advantage of it.

It’s Labor Day weekend as this is being written, and congressional offices will be open and taking calls on Tuesday. That’s the time to call. Remember to be brief, and be polite.
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