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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:37 pm

$.02
What I wish Trump was really saying-

When he mentioned "muslims dancing" after 9/11- he wanted to bring attention to Urban Moving Systems and the 'art students' dancing and filming on 9/11.
When he says build a wall at the Mexican border- to bring attention to Israels "separation barrier" - the Apartheid Wall.

That he has slammed the Bush Family, strongly suggested the Saudi role is in the missing pages of the 9/11 report and hasn't pandered to Fox news, well that's almost enough to get my vote.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Harvey » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:50 pm

Burnt Hill » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:37 am wrote:$.02
What I wish Trump was really saying-

When he mentioned "muslims dancing" after 9/11- he wanted to bring attention to Urban Moving Systems and the 'art students' dancing and filming on 9/11.
When he says build a wall at the Mexican border- to bring attention to Israels "separation barrier" - the Apartheid Wall.

That he has slammed the Bush Family, strongly suggested the Saudi role is in the missing pages of the 9/11 report and hasn't pandered to Fox news, well that's almost enough to get my vote.


Irony aside, that you and others are flirting with Trump is why he's a superior snake oil salesman. He's offended everybody in equal measure and yet he's hooked everybody in the wide nets he trawls. Precisely calibrated. Job done.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:58 pm

Harvey » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:50 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:37 am wrote:$.02
What I wish Trump was really saying-

When he mentioned "muslims dancing" after 9/11- he wanted to bring attention to Urban Moving Systems and the 'art students' dancing and filming on 9/11.
When he says build a wall at the Mexican border- to bring attention to Israels "separation barrier" - the Apartheid Wall.

That he has slammed the Bush Family, strongly suggested the Saudi role is in the missing pages of the 9/11 report and hasn't pandered to Fox news, well that's almost enough to get my vote.


Irony aside, that you and others are flirting with Trump is why he's a superior snake oil salesman. He's offended everybody in equal measure and yet he's hooked everybody in the wide nets he trawls. Precisely calibrated. Job done.


Definitely agree with you!
I did say it was almost enough-not enough to get my vote!
I could have made a long list of why I would never vote for him, but we've done that. :wink
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:00 pm

A good rule is never vote for a R for any reason. That's what makes this shit so fucked this cycle. Also don't ever vote for Hillary either. If it's not Sanders I will be leaving that portion blank. Or I may not vote at all. Sanders or bust for me.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Harvey » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:04 pm

:wink
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:12 pm

82_28 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:00 pm wrote:A good rule is never vote for a R for any reason. That's what makes this shit so fucked this cycle. Also don't ever vote for Hillary either. If it's not Sanders I will be leaving that portion blank. Or I may not vote at all. Sanders or bust for me.


Mostly agree with you.
Though I wish Trump screws up the Rs so bad that they end up devolved enough to eventually support a candidate like...
Teddy Roosevelt. I can dream, right? :clown
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:26 pm

Like I was saying, drumpf is like taking acid for your first and only time because you just had to experience it because friends said dude, it's like living in a cartoon! Otherwise you'd always live wondering what it is like to never do it again. ie I had a really terrifying trip that screwed me up but good. So maybe get a fascist in there, roll the dice. I just don't think it scales with millions of souls on the line. "Illegal" or not all are human. But what power do any of us have?
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Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:41 pm

82, love your Sid ref. Every four years is a bad acid trip. It's all rhetoric from every candidate. They all say one thing and do another. There will never be a decent honest person elected president in Amerika because the people who really rule have more power to manage the system. Any decent person who stands up for us will be Wellstoned, Kennedy'd.

It's bizarre for us all to actually get interested in the election process in this democratic republic because we always get fucked no matter if your left or right. I like fantasies, but they don't help build roads, provide clean water or good schools for my children.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:57 pm

Did anyone notice Rmoney used almost word for word John Oliver's take down from last week?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:04 am

Head of a Group Backing Trump Is Among 14 Charged in a Nevada Standoff
By JACK HEALYMARCH 3, 2016

Gerald A. DeLemus, in 2014 near Bunkerville, Nev., was charged on Thursday in connection with the armed showdown in 2014 led by the Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy. Credit Ken Ritter/Associated Press

DENVER — A conservative activist who served as a chairman of a “Veterans for Trump” coalition in New Hampshire was one of 14 people charged on Thursday by the Justice Department in connection with the armed showdown over federal control of grazing lands led by the Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

The federal indictments were part of an expanding criminal case that now includes charges against 19 members of the Bundy family and their allies stemming from the weekslong standoff in 2014 over Mr. Bundy’s illegal grazing on federal lands. During the confrontation, about 50 Bundy supporters from around the country gathered at the family’s ranch in Bunkerville, Nev., to prevent the Bureau of Land Management from confiscating Mr. Bundy’s approximately 500 cattle, whom he had been letting loose on federal land for decades, accruing more than $1 million in grazing fees.

Among those people arrested on Thursday was Gerald A. DeLemus, 61, of Rochester, N.H, a former Marine who in July 2015 was named to a New Hampshire veterans group supporting Donald J. Trump, the Republican front-runner. Prosecutors said that, in actions well before Mr. Trump’s campaign, Mr. DeLemus had acted as a “gunman and midlevel organizer” during the standoff in 2014 in Nevada.

Mr. Bundy and four others — including two of his sons, Ryan and Ammon — were indicted last month on charges they carried out a “massive armed assault” on the federal officers who tried to confiscate Mr. Bundy’s cattle; Bureau of Land Management rangers pulled back from the confrontation. This winter, Ammon and Ryan Bundy led a weekslong armed takeover of a wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon, and are among several facing separate criminal charges in that case.

“Today’s actions make clear that we will not tolerate the use of threats or force against federal agents who are doing their jobs,” Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch said in a statement. “We will continue to protect public land on behalf of the American people, uphold federal law and ensure that those who employ violence to express their grievances with the government will be apprehended and held accountable for their crimes.”

Two more of Cliven Bundy’s sons, David and Melvin, were among those arrested on Thursday. Cliven Bundy has 14 children. “They just took him and went,” Arden Bundy said, describing his brother David’s arrest in Utah. “They’re tearing our family apart.”

Mr. DeLemus has been active in New Hampshire’s Tea Party movement and has drawn mentions in the local news for organizing a rally against illegal immigration and a provocative contest in 2015 in New Hampshire to draw the Prophet Mohamed. He ultimately called off the contest, telling his hometown newspaper, the Rochester Times, that its real aim was to show the importance of free expression.

In July, around the time he was named to the Veterans for Trump group, Mr. DeLemus told The New York Times that he liked Mr. Trump’s outsider status and blunt talk, saying, “We don’t have to like the truth. But we need it.”

Mr. DeLemus’s wife, Susan, a Republican state representative, confirmed his arrest on Thursday, but declined to answer other questions about his background or his role in the standoff. His lawyer did not return a telephone message, and the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to an email asking about Mr. DeLemus’s role in the veterans’ group.

In 2014, he was among scores of ranchers and activists who flocked to the Bundy ranch, galvanized by the family’s complaints about their confiscated cattle and about federal control of Western public lands.

The federal charges against Mr. DeLemus say he recruited, organized and trained other armed supporters of the Bundys, and led armed patrols and security checkpoints. A prosecution memorandum that argues to keep Mr. DeLemus in custody says he was working as a self-employed carpenter when he answered Cliven Bundy’s “call to arms” and drove across the country with guns and ammunition to join the standoff.

Prosecutors say he drove for 40 hours, stopping briefly in Utah for target practice, and stayed at the Bundy ranch for three weeks.

News articles from the time described Mr. DeLemus as running a “protection force” of 30 people who slept in tents, carried military-style rifles around the ranch and built watering bins for the cows. “We haven’t been told by the Bundys that they’re ready for us to go,” he told The Associated Press in 2014.

Papers filed by prosecutors show photographs of Mr. DeLemus holding a .50 caliber machine gun with other Bundy supporters, speaking to news programs and standing in camouflage gear in front of an American flag.

It quotes him describing his role in heroic terms: “What we will do is we will all die right here in place to defend the Bundys and the freedom of this country. And if nobody else in this country will stand up, by god, you can look around here and see what true heroism is.”
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They could still get him out of office.
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Postby tapitsbo » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:42 am

You know 82_82, it would be interesting to know what it would be like to have never done acid. You have a point there.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:23 am

82_28 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:00 pm wrote:A good rule is never vote for a R for any reason. That's what makes this shit so fucked this cycle. Also don't ever vote for Hillary either. If it's not Sanders I will be leaving that portion blank. Or I may not vote at all. Sanders or bust for me.


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:27 am

And they'd rather see Trump burn down Washington DC and network media than deal with another four years...of...anything.


By Jove I think you've got it.

That's the key to his appeal. Even to me!!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:09 am

Neocon Armchair Warhawks Panic Over Trump Foreign Policy
by Daniel McAdams, March 03, 2016

The neocons are renowned for their courage on the battlefield. There is no keyboard they are afraid to finger. No pen they won’t commandeer. When the battle cry is sounded, they unhesitatingly push the “on” button at their computers and saddle up for battle. Off with the loafers and under the desk! “Caution to the wind! Bring in a wine spritzer, dammit, I’m off to waaar!”

While this Institute and this column most definitely do not take a position on any candidate and in fact your correspondent views voting itself with disdain in today’s corrupt US political system, it is impossible to avoid viewing with extreme amusement the collective neocon hysterical breakdown over the possibility that voters of the Republican Party – a party neocons crashed en masse starting in 1972 and especially 1976 – may be sending as their nominee for president a man who has committed the cardinal sins of:

1) Stating the obvious that the Iraq war was brought to us by the liars of the neoconservative movement and has been a total disaster for the rest of us who are forced to pay for their fantasies of world domination.

2) Suggesting that he might actually speak with Russian President Vladimir Putin to see if US/Russia differences can be worked out without a potentially world-ending nuclear war.

3) Though arguing that he is hugely pro-Israel, nevertheless suggesting that if the US is to play a role in the Israel/Palestine issue (this Institute would argue that it should not), the US side should, in the interests of any chance of success, take a neutral role in the process.

4) Wondering why on earth Obama listened to idiotic neocon advice and overthrew Libya’s strongman leader only to see the red carpet laid down for ISIS.

5) Suggesting that it may be a good thing that Russia be bombing ISIS into oblivion and that we might want to just sit back and let that happen for once.

These positions are mortal sins in the Church of the Neoconservative and the only penance is an intense round of Stalinist self-criticism and ultimately political exile because one is never trustworthy again once one violates the neocon commandments. There is no purgatorio in the neocon Inferno.

So in Politico today, Michael Crowley writes that the “Neocons Declare War on Trump.” How do they propose to prosecute their war? As usual, with their well-known bravery. They are planning a mass exodus from the Republican Party to support their sister-in-arms Hillary Clinton, who as president plans to change the official motto of the United States from “In God We Trust” to “We Came, We Saw, He Died.”

Tomorrow the neocons plan to launch their version of a nuclear missile – the dreaded “strongly-worded letter” – to warn Republican voters that if they continue to flirt with the foreign policy apostate Trump, the neocons will take their toys and go home to the Democratic Party. Republican voters at that point are supposed to wail and gnash their teeth at the prospect of supporting a party without bloodsucking neocons calling the shots.

Leading the strongly-worded letter campaign is Dov Zakheim, who as George W. Bush’s Comptroller of the Pentagon somehow lost track of a trillion or so dollars. It’s a safe bet Zakheim is not spending his retirement from government service in a double-wide trailer somewhere. Top military officers will retire, screams Zakheim, if under Trump the US abandons the neocon vision of “American exceptionalism.” Perhaps so. And what would they do without enormously well-paid positions in the military-industrial complex to retire to?

The neocons are gambling that the American voter’s fury at Washington does not extend to their foreign policy adventurism. They are gambling that another PNAC-style harshly-worded letter will awaken America from its temporary dalliance and shock it back into its abusive relationship with the soft-skinned and well-perfumed keyboard warriors who eagerly send America’s sons and daughters to be slaughtered in wars that achieve nothing but the ascendance of new “bad guys” used to justify ever-more wars. And all of it pays very nicely for them.

Will voters again try to kick that football? Or will they kick the neocons instead?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Grizzly » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:00 am

George Lakoff: Why is Donald Trump winning?

http://mobile.dudamobile.com/site/yonsi ... =true#2568


Food for thought ...
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