'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Sun May 30, 2010 6:50 pm

Entering the Twilight of American Christianity

Lesley Hazelton has another excellent post on what will turn out to be the greatest environmental disaster in history:

Yes, I am aware that ‘evil’ is a religious term. How can a proud agnostic use such a word? I trust my guts. As I look at this, I am sickened. The feeling starts in my throat, travels down to the pit of my stomach, then makes its way up again into my throat, leaving me with such a deep disgust that I feel dirty, degraded.

I think this visceral reaction is simply a human response to evil.

I want to take this idea or thought a step further: The theological implications of this disaster are becoming more and more apparent. Now, let me take two steps back: Two weeks ago, I argued that the disaster would not only bring death to offshore drilling but shake the foundations of American oil culture. Now, let me take three steps forward: My present belief is that American oil culture is finished (it will not survive this mess) and what is next to be shaken and possibly destroyed is the foundation of something even larger: American Christianity.


From NYT:

Americans have long had an unswerving belief that technology will save us — it is the cavalry coming over the hill, just as we are about to lose the battle. And yet, as Americans watched scientists struggle to plug the undersea well over the past month, it became apparent that our great belief in technology was perhaps misplaced.

This "great belief in technology" is not secular but closely linked with a great belief in American awesomeness. And American awesomeness has always been sustained by the foundations of American Christianity, a form of religion that is humble not toward nature but toward a God who has power over everything and punishes His enemies and rewards His followers. With American Christianity, prosperity is a God-given right, and this frame of thinking has established and reinforced a relationship with nature that is essentially identical with the one that exists between a master and slave.


It is precisely this kind of thinking that in Europe began to crumble in the period that followed the scientific revolution. In Origin of Species (1859), for example, Darwin essentially dethrones humans and pleads, again and again, that this dethronement, this diminishing, decentering is not the end of the world—humans can happily (if not proudly) live as animals among other animals.

There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.


The end of the 19th century was not only the end of British awesomeness but also the emergence of a scientific sense of human littleness and limitations. It is a mistake to read the late-19th century books of H.G. Wells, Joseph Conrad, and many others without this understanding. What Darwin saw as a grand "view of life," many saw as either "The horror! The horror!" (be it in the direction of the deep past—Heart of Darkness) or "A horror of this great darkness" (be it in the direction of the deep future—The Time Machine). Near the end of The Time Machine:

A horror of this great darkness came on me. The cold, that smote to my marrow, and the pain I felt in breathing, overcame me. I shivered, and a deadly nausea seized me. Then like a red-hot bow in the sky appeared the edge of the sun. I got off the machine to recover myself. I felt giddy and incapable of facing the return journey. As I stood sick and confused I saw again the moving thing upon the shoal—there was no mistake now that it was a moving thing—against the red water of the sea. It was a round thing, the size of a football perhaps, or, it may be, bigger, and tentacles trailed down from it; it seemed black against the weltering blood-red water, and it was hopping fitfully about. Then I felt I was fainting. But a terrible dread of lying helpless in that remote and awful twilight sustained me while I clambered upon the saddle.


True, we find dethroned humans in so many American novels (Earth Abides, for example) and movies (The War of the Worlds), but, culturally speaking, this sense of dethronement is far from universal. The certainty of American awesomeness that led to the war in Iraq or to the current destruction of the Gulf of Mexico, has been rooted in one, politically powerful branch of American Christianity. And what has feed much of this overrepresented group's tireless (and often comical) resistance to the hard facts of, say, Darwinism, has been the belief that American greatness cannot be separated from divine providence, from supernatural agency. What they do best (or famously) is to refuse to register American military power and technological mastery as anything but direct gifts from (and reflecting the power of—and also obedience to) the creator of the universe.


What the spill has made clear is that American awesomeness (technology) has a sure limit. It can only go so far and do so much. Operation "top kill" could not overwhelm that thing that God (technology) is imagined to completely master—nature. But if American awesomeness has a limit, then the God who supports and reinforces it (technology) is also limited. And if God is limited, then He is not a He but only a he, a man, a mere human being (technology).


Not all American Christians have the kind of relationship with nature that has placed this country in such deep waters. And the more the oil spill poisons the gulf, we can expect to see, on the one hand, the steady belittling of the believers of American awesomeness, and, on the other hand, a corresponding increase in the number of Americans whose view of things is much more down to earth.


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby chiggerbit » Sun May 30, 2010 7:05 pm

That's worthy of a thread all it's own, 82_28, the roots of Americans' belief in their exceptionalism being in their religion.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Sun May 30, 2010 10:29 pm

Jeff wrote:I don't know what to make of Simmons. He's credentialed, sure, but that includes "energy advisor to President George W Bush," and as we should have learned from 9/11, some of the craziest and most fractious speculation originated with former Bush advisors. I haven't heard any other source for another, larger leak, and I haven't seen any sound evidence for Simmons saying there is one. So, I'm just saying, let's be wary about similar authorities staking claims to lead "Oilgate Truth."


But what's ironic is that Simmons and Ruppert were at a Peak Oil conference years ago, and Simmons rolled his eyes (so to speak) at Ruppert's 9/11 position. Now, here's Simmons doing the speculating, and of course Ruppert is eating it up. But, as Bruce Dazzling suggested, Ruppert is likely jumping the gun on this one with calls of martial law in the not too distant future. Perhaps he'll be right in the final analysis (I certainly hope he isn't).

Regarding the nuke idea, I'm extremely wary of that. Still, there's always a chance it could work, sorta like this:



I just hope the experts know what the fuck they're doing, if this proceeds.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Sun May 30, 2010 10:55 pm

BP: The media’s Katrina
The President and the media can’t help BP rush through the unpleasantness of poisoning the ocean quickly enough. First, the government (starting with Bush, but extending through Obama’s reign) staffed the MMS with incompetents, who apparently alternated between allowing oil and gas company workers to fill out their own inspection forms, accepting Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl tickets from offshore drilling companies, and smoking crystal meth.

What I’m trying to say is, the MMS was extremely busy, which is probably why they didn’t notice BP’s blowout preventer had a dead battery in its control pod, leaks in its hydraulic system, a “useless” test version of a key component and a cutting tool that wasn’t strong enough to shear through steel joints in the well pipe and stop the flow of oil in the event of a fiery explosion, which by the way, totally happened. But who has time to check superfluous stuff like a blowout preventer? I mean, that meth isn’t going to smoke itself.

BP has shown a desire to cover its own ass by allegedly forbidding clean-up crews to wear respirators so as to avoid future negligence lawsuits even as it continues to dump toxic dispersants, which have been banned in the UK, ignoring the EPA’s pleas to find a less toxic (and extremely available) version.

The government obviously needs to accept a substantial part of the blame for the Deepwater Horizon disaster, but it was very odd that President Obama asked the media to throw all the blame his way. Yes, the administration failed (as did the Bush administration,) but so did BP.

Certain media players are also demonstrating a strange fixation on assisting BP through this particularly difficult time now that every “solution” proposed by the company has failed, including the latest Top Kill efforts. Candy Crowley’s State Of The Union featured an interview with Brian Dobson, the head of a public relations company called Dobson Communications, Inc., about the best strategy BP should adopt in order to mend its public image.

At a time when the coastal fishing industry and ecosystem face the possibility of total destruction, Obama and Candy are wading into the ocean with Tony Hayward and sawing off the heads of dolphins. Figuratively speaking, of course.

Candy, especially, seemed self-conscious about this segment, possibly because it looks really, super bad.

CROWLEY: Thanks, Susan Candiotti. Let me go briefly back to our panel. Not that we actually at this point really care about BP’s image, that’s kind of BP’s problem. Nonetheless, it has very deep pockets, and it can monetarily, so far, survive this.

No, CNN totally doesn’t care about BP’s image, which is why it just devoted an entire segment to advice for the corporation to repair its image — for FREE!

In addition to playing corporate aide, the media has been playing an odd game with assigning blame for BP’s fuck up. Some Very Serious And Intelligent individuals’ diagnoses appear to be that Obama is acting like effeminate secret Frenchman (inspiring Peggy Noonan to declare the end of the Obama presidency for the 6,349th time,) and he needs to — I dunno — call in the National Guard to shoot at oil patches, or something. But these “no nonsense” tough talkers only appear to flex their muscles and jerk off to fantasies of President John Wayne post-catastrophe.

When it comes time to have a grown-up conversation about regulation and accountability, Very Serious people say we shouldn’t investigate into possible crimes because “some of life has to be mysterious,” and it’s important to “just keep walking.”

While it’s fashionable, the media gnashes its teeth and foams at the mouth over big, bad BP, even as the company quietly attempts to pull the same deregulation con in Canada, which of course will only be a story when the high drama of oil-soaked birds and ruined fishermen officially kick in.

Surely, there is a happy medium between calling Obama gay for not ripping out Tony Hayward’s heart, and totally ignoring the quieter, less interesting aspects of defensive governance. The media is supposed to shine before and after the storm, and not just while the hurricane rages. Deregulation has been a problem for a long, long time, and the problem won’t vanish overnight even if the cap on BP’s liability is lifted, and the victims of this horror are properly compensated.

BP is now saying oil may rush into the Gulf until August, a dire estimate made worse if one considers the quickly approaching hurricane season. If interest in this story wanes, fatigue, and depression set in, and in a frenzy to move on, the media declares BP has “done enough” to make amends, this disaster really will become another Katrina.

As much as I hate to say this, Louisiana will feel the effects of this for generations, especially when considering the toll these toxins will take on the environment and the mating habits of birds and sea life. I want to give CNN some praise for being one of the first news outlets to cover the Corexit story, and for the network’s reports on the issue of sick workers (there are more reports of workers being hospitalized after falling ill on clean-up jobs). However, just as CNN had some excellent reporting on Katrina in the juicy ratings window immediately after the storm, we are now experiencing “peak interest” time in the BP story.

Two year ago, the media was euphemistically calling New Orleans’s recovery from Katrina “uneven.” A year ago, Brookings reported the city faced “major challenges.” The state was not yet recovered from the last time the government failed it, and now the nation’s president is shielding BP from its part of the blame, while the media sweeps up behind the company — even offering free PR advice in the meantime.

The few bright moments of the media’s performance should be highlighted and praised. But when the interest fades, the cameras may leave, and in that case, Louisiana will once again be abandoned by the nation.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Mon May 31, 2010 2:24 am

Officials: Oil leak may last months

As BP shifted from the "top kill" effort to its latest fallback plan to stop oil gushing from one of its Gulf of Mexico wells, the Obama administration, the company and scientists conceded Sunday that the crude could continue flowing until August.

White House energy and climate adviser Carol Browner declared that the oil spill was "probably the biggest environmental disaster we've ever faced in this country" and said "we are prepared for the worst." On CBS' "Face the Nation," she said the "American people need to know that it is possible we will have oil leaking from this well until August when the relief wells will be finished."

Those two wells, which BP began drilling early this month, are expected to intersect the damaged one and seal it near the reservoir far below the seafloor. The first has reached 7,000 feet below the seafloor, the second 3,500 feet, but progress slows as wells go deeper. With the arrival of hurricane season Tuesday, the drilling could slow if the rigs need to be evacuated during storms.

BP had predicted its "top kill" effort, in which heavy drilling mud was injected into the damaged well, had a 60 percent to 70 percent chance of success. Instead, a fourth strategy is being prepared.

As early as Monday, BP plans to saw off a bent and broken pipe attached to the five-story-tall blowout preventer that sits over the well. The company then plans to lower a new apparatus that would funnel oil and gas to vessels on the surface. Until the new apparatus is in place, however, cutting the riser pipe would temporarily increase the oil flow by 10 to 20 percent, the amount now being captured by a device that BP inserted farther up the pipe.

BP managing director Bob Dudley again expressed optimism, saying on CBS, "With this, we think we can contain the majority of the oil and gas."

Scientists, however, didn't share that optimism.

"It's all lose, lose, lose here," said Rick Steiner, a retired University of Alaska marine scientist who's familiar with both the Gulf oil spill and the Exxon Valdez disaster two decades ago. "The failure of the 'top kill' really magnified this disaster exponentially. I think there's a realistic probability that this enormous amount of oil will keep coming out for a couple months. This disaster just got enormously worse."

Larry Crowder, a professor of marine biology at Duke University, said if the spill continues for a couple more months, oil almost certainly would move into the Loop Current that flows clockwise around the Gulf. The oil then would reach the Florida Keys within a week to 10 days and move on to North Carolina a couple of weeks later.

"If you have enough oil, it can go a big distance," and some 100 million gallons could be spilled by August. "There's almost no place that's off-limits," he said.

Drilling experts said they feared the now-abandoned "top kill" might have done further damage both to the well and the blowout preventer, a possible complication for the next plan.

Some drilling experts said "top kill" failed because the force of the oil and gas pushing up from the reservoir 13,000 feet below the seafloor was so great that it had pushed most of the drilling mud out through the blowout preventer and into the sea. Tadeusz Patzek, chairman of petroleum and geosystems engineering at the University of Texas, Austin, said it was the "equivalent of six or seven fire hoses blasting oil and gas up, while two fire hoses were used to blast the drilling mud down. They never stood much of a chance."

Sources at two companies involved in the well said BP also discovered new damage inside the well and that, as a result, some of the mud successfully forced into the hole was going off to the side into rock formations.

The longer oil seeps out of the ground, the more politics are seeping into public debate as people question why the oil industry and the government were so ill-prepared.

In an echo of the counting of days during the politically debilitating Iranian hostage crisis during President Carter's administration, Jake Tapper on ABC introduced his program as "Day 41 of the Gulf oil spill."

Sen. David Vitter, R-La., said BP "made enormous mistakes and probably cut corners." Vitter, appearing on CNN's "State of the Union," also said the federal government has failed in its response to the crisis, "particularly with the effort to protect our coast and our marsh."

Minnesota Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty questioned the administration's reliance on BP's estimates of the volume of oil, which has been flowing into the Gulf since a blowout set fire to the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig April 20, killing 11 people. The rig sank two days later.

Browner, the White House energy adviser, conceded that "BP has a financial interest in these numbers" on the volume of the leak. "They will pay penalties at the end of the day, a per-barrel, per-day penalty," she said. But she asserted that the latest, increased estimates of oil flow were produced by an independent government panel.

"At the end of the day, the government tells BP what to do, and at the end of the day, we will hold BP accountable for all of this," she said.

She said an administration "brain trust" led by Energy Secretary Steven Chu urged BP to stop adding pressure to the well through the "top kill" maneuver because "things could happen that would make the situation worse." But she stopped short of saying Chu ordered an end to the maneuver.

Pressed to give an example of administration influence, Browner cited the drilling of two relief wells instead of one. A BP official said it was "not unusual" to drill a second relief well and that it "very likely" would have been done anyway.

But Browner said "BP said we're going to drill one relief well. These are expensive wells for them to drill. We said that's not good enough. You're going to drill a second one."

BP has said it would take responsibility for spill damage, but BP Chief Executive Tony Hayward on Sunday disputed claims by several scientists that large undersea plumes stretch for miles and reach hundreds of feet beneath the Gulf surface.

"The oil is on the surface," he reportedly told The Associated Press. "Oil has a specific gravity that's about half that of water. It wants to get to the surface because of the difference in specific gravity."


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The rethuglicans are parlaying this into a "new environmentalism" as we speak. Just saw a new commercial during the the 11 o'clock news attacking Patty Murphy here in WA. Keep your eyes peeled. It's coming as sure as the oil is.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon May 31, 2010 10:47 am

Oil Spill Protest in Jackson Square Sunday May 30, 2010
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MATTHEW HINTON / THE TIMES-PICAYUNE Shana Taylor, left, and Lawrence Lamandre who both live and work in New Orleans show their displeasure of British Petroleum in Jackson Square during a protest against the British Petroleum Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico in New Orleans Sunday May 30, 2010. A majority of the protesters identified themselves as being from New Orleans or neighboring communities.
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon May 31, 2010 11:18 am

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BP protestors swarm Jackson Square
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Sunday in Jackson Square crowds braved the rain in a large showing of frustration and anger over the oil spill and the response effort.

A series of speakers shouted in protest against BP and the federal government, as some say the lack of urgency in cleaning up the oil spill is threatening the south Louisiana way of life. Protesters waved signs that featured scathing messages about BP and the feds' involvement in the cleanup effort.
Organizers say the goal was to take a peaceful, yet strong stand.
"The message was very simple today. We just need more federal intervention. They need to put pressure on BP to do everything they possibly can, in their multi-billion dollar capacity to close the leak and to put all their efforts into containing and cleaning up the oil that's already in the gulf. It's gonna affect all of us. It's just getting worse,” said Henry Thomas, an organizer of the protest.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Mon May 31, 2010 1:57 pm

BP CEO Attributes Oil Spill Cleanup Workers’ Illness To Food Poisoning

While BP quietly threatens to fire workers who bring their own gas masks.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon May 31, 2010 2:54 pm

Foul Language Alert !




Foul Language Alert !

This video features a woman with 30 years experience in the oil & gas industry venting her anger towards BP, the Gulf's Coast Guard Commander, the press and the President. This video contains extremely foul language, so please do not view it if you're sensitive to such language and if you do watch it, be sure you do so privately, away from the ears of children.

I heard the censored version of this video's soundtrack yesterday on NPR.

treehugger quotes her from the video: "I have been in oil and gas production and exploration for over 30 years. My salary is bigger than God's. But that's OK, because I'm more useful than he is anyway," But who's to say whether she in fact does work for the industry as the video has been posted anonymously. Please note that there is a 1min 54 sec prelude to the video before she begins speaking. It is entitled "BP Fails Booming School 101."
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Laodicean » Mon May 31, 2010 3:02 pm

Jeff wrote:BP CEO Attributes Oil Spill Cleanup Workers’ Illness To Food Poisoning

While BP quietly threatens to fire workers who bring their own gas masks.

video at link


How to File a Complaint with OSHA

The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 gives employees the right to file complaints about workplace safety and health hazards. Further, the Act gives complainants the right to request that their names not be revealed to their employer's. Complaints from employees and their representatives are taken seriously by OSHA.


Report BP in violation of the OSHA Act. All clean up workers must be 40 hour HAZWOPER certified before stepping foot on a hazardous waste site. Per OSHA, it is the employer's (BP) responsibility to furnish the required (adequate) personal protective equipment for their employees.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon May 31, 2010 6:03 pm

BP protestors swarm Jackson Square
by WWLTV.com
wwltv.com

Sunday in Jackson Square crowds braved the rain in a large showing of frustration and anger over the oil spill and the response effort.

A series of speakers shouted in protest against BP and the federal government, as some say the lack of urgency in cleaning up the oil spill is threatening the south Louisiana way of life. Protesters waved signs that featured scathing messages about BP and the feds' involvement in the cleanup effort.

Organizers say the goal was to take a peaceful, yet strong stand.

"The message was very simple today. We just need more federal intervention. They need to put pressure on BP to do everything they possibly can, in their multi-billion dollar capacity to close the leak and to put all their efforts into containing and cleaning up the oil that's already in the gulf. It's gonna affect all of us. It's just getting worse,” said Henry Thomas, an organizer of the protest.


It's astounding, really astounding [to me] that even people angry enough to organise a protest march don't come right out and say: "BP has lost its right to have any say whatsoever in the handling of this disaster. It's the US government's clear moral responsibility to take full and immediate control of the entire operation - seizing BP's assets, if necessary - and to summon national and international support from the most competent sources available anywhere."

Because this is not just a huge domestic emergency, but a global one. Where the hell is the United Nations Organisation when you really, really need it?

And where's the fucking US Navy?? Posing around in the Persian Gulf, trying to look tough and rock-jawed and threatening, that's where. Why aren't battleships and destroyers being refitted at lightning speed and ordered to do something useful (for once), such as sucking up that oh-so-valuable (& increasingly-scarce) oil and storing it in floating pontoons, or sent in their hundreds to corral this gigantic fucking mess with barriers? How complicated can that be? As compared to - say - drilling thousands of feet into the ocean floor? What the fuck happened to that famous American can-do attitude*?

*It got sold, of course, like everything else of any value - to the highest bidders, no doubt. In this case, those would be British Petroleum and Halliburton.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon May 31, 2010 6:45 pm

Wow what a great vid Iam...

Seriously that was brilliant.

Ladocian cheers too.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon May 31, 2010 6:46 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:It's astounding, really astounding [to me] that even people angry enough to organise a protest march don't come right out and say: "BP has lost its right to have any say whatsoever in the handling of this disaster. It's the US government's clear moral responsibility to take full and immediate control of the entire operation - seizing BP's assets, if necessary - and to summon national and international support from the most competent sources available anywhere."

Because this is not just a huge domestic emergency, but a global one. Where the hell is the United Nations Organisation when you really, really need it?
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Postby Peregrine » Mon May 31, 2010 7:25 pm

It might feel better to write them & give them a peice of your mind. I'v been tempted to do so, but I'm afraid my letter may devolve into calling for a public hanging of the top BP guys as a solution.
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