Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[coffin_dodger]

FB said:

Is it a real written transcript from which important things have been censored from and/or conversely which is actually missing things that we've been told are there? Or is it a fake written transcript, invented out of thin air, in which case when they release some audio however soon or long from now, it will have featured an actor portraying Mateen?

It's the transcript that will form the basis of the eventual movie, for sure.

[Burnt Hill]

The idea that Mateen was being set-up for one of the FBIs famous entrapment stings where they provided means motive and opportunity for terrorism and then arrest before a plan comes to fruition gone haywire seems palpable.

What transcript are we speaking of? sorry...

[Iamwhomiam]

Mateen's call to 911, BH.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Angel Colon claims he was shot 6 times, in the "behind," the hip, and that by some grace of God, the shooter aimed for his head and shot but instead hit him in the hand.

Leaving aside the logistics of "the magic hand," simple question, limited in scope: where is the wound on his hand? Where are the dressings? I see some cotton where blood was apparently drawn and an IV drip apparently inserted, but no wound! Crazy! Shot at close range by an assault rifle, the tiny fragile bones in his hand would be shattered, he would likely not have use of it for some time, if ever again (check out grisly images on google of "gunshot hand wounds" for comparative examples). Yet he has perfect use of it in this video where he "reunites" with the officer who supposedly saved him, not only perfect use, apparently he healed completely in a matter of days. Amazing!

Edit: I'll add this since the official media narrative seems to report he was shot 3 times, but in this video where a Youtube guy actually CALLS him in the hospital (not expecting to be able to get through) and Angel himself tells him he was shot 6 times (before hanging up on him soon after).

[PufPuf93]

Their neighbour for the last six years, a retired deputy sheriff, speaks out:

Neighbor, Tony Schneider, a retired deputy sheriff told Daily Mail Online that Seddique and Shahla Mateen are ‘the nicest people in the world.’

‘They are very Americanized, he said. ‘Just very good neighbors. I have known them for six years and have never had any problems with them.

‘My heart goes out to them — of course if they were involved they can rot in hell, but I otherwise I feel so sorry for them.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ateen.html

The KINDNESS Animal Hospital Flyer of Utter Evil

Note that Seddique and Shahla Mateen are the father and mother of Omar Mateen who is married to and has the boy child Dawn.

Many pages back I did not respond to one of your posts about what I considered an important reveal; specifically, that Omar had recently sold his interest in his house to his brother-in-law for $100 (way under Omar's equity). A reporter had found this information looking at county real estate records.

Some unknowns that I find of interest:

1) How did Omar Mateen get to the Pulse club that night? What vehicle? Did he drive himself?
2) Why was it released and who was the source that Omar had prior interviews with the FBI? This "fact" could be counter-productive regards any accomplices.
3) Were there any material accomplices in planning and procuring or actually active during the event at the Pulse? How much did his family know and fail to report or were members of the family complicit?
4) Did the shooter have an escape plan? If so, my best guess that Omar was an angry suicide is wrong.
5) Did Omar have internet or physical ties to jihadists? What happened during his time in Saudi Arabia? Were his claims of other impending terror events real and also was there really the claimed connection to the intercepted event in California?
6) Who else had Omar Mateen met through his father or employer or elsewhere that may have recruited or evangelized Omar to become involved with Islamic terrorism?

You mentioned that some of us watched too much TV and accepted the public narrative too readily. I for one do not have a TV and have not had a TV in my home for 5 plus years. For somewhat less than a year I have had (and enjoy) a subscription to Amazon Prime originally purchased to watch A Man in the High Castle. Since childhood, I have been a reader rather than a TV watcher. I am cynical about what I read, especially internet opinion.

So all my "information", regards the Orlando shootings and about anything else I post at RI, is from the internet or from a somewhat large and in some areas compreheansive personal library or personal experience or thought. I have watched maybe 30 video clips about the Orlando shootings from MSM or compilations in support of alternative views.

My thought process in the Orlando shootings and many other events that receive wide media coverage is to initially hold the event and the media / political response as separate and simple phenomena. Why? Parties that propogandize the masses spin events and create "news" out of nothing to justify, gain support, amd seed thoughts. Propoganda is stochastic and grooming, making the unlikely appear reasonable and common for some goal or agenda. As far as the happening of actual events, reportage is unreliable.

Things I tend to believe are:

1) Intelligence agencies and the MIC are active in using the MSM to propagandize the public and this has gone on for decades and been on steroids with the internet and wide pallet of TV choices;
2) Identitiy politics, wedge issues, and nationalism are used in a Machevellian fashion to divide and control the masses more often than to promote "good".
3) Actual events (especially war and business) are clouded by disinfo and info overloads and sometimes direct involvement in the creation of events (false flags).
4) 9 / 11 was a false flag in at least the three buildings in NYC were controlled demolition and the trajectory of history since has been driven by that event. The great rise of conspiracy culture so well distributed by the internet and "crazy ass" vendors is to cloud the rare false flag events.
5) Financial institutions are inherently unstable by deliberate design.
6) The FBI has actively promoted Islamic terrorism by patsys within the USA largey because otherwise it is quite rare and the FBI justifies its own existence and keeps a level of domestic fear and hostility towards Islam simmering.

So I might start out with the opinion that Omar Mateen was an isolated and angry suicide who existed in a perfect storm for exploitation whether or not he and his alleged actions were as a "lone wolf" or something more sinister. The components of Omar's perfect storm included assault weapons, LGBT, Latins, Islam, FBI, training in weapons, etc; lots of hooks as we have experienced in the media and political blitz. The people close to Omar and in his past who have been interviewed appear to have no doubt that Omar was a shooter at Pulse. Omar left his wife and father in a world of hurt - I think his father a major dick - and also screwed over LGBT and Latins and members of Islam - those peaceful and the jihadists - and took 49 lives and wounded another 53 people. Lots of trauma and lots of hurt. Maybe there were accomplices on or off site, maybe the FBI seeded the event, and maybe Omar was a radial jihadists who hated LGBT and Latins - Omar whether he had overt help or not generated a mass public event as well as mass murder. All we have is conjecture.

The items in the home / on the refrig door of a happy and normal life of a young couple and child my well have been a young woman struggling to hang on to a vestige of "normal".

So my prattle today is wandering and no links too.

[PufPuf93]

JUNE 20, 2016
After Orlando, Democrats and Republicans Clamor for Expanded Police State

That is about par for the 21st century.

[PufPuf93]

Angel Colon claims he was shot 6 times, in the "behind," the hip, and that by some grace of God, the shooter aimed for his head and shot but instead hit him in the hand.

Leaving aside the logistics of "the magic hand," simple question, limited in scope: where is the wound on his hand? Where are the dressings? I see some cotton where blood was apparently drawn and an IV drip apparently inserted, but no wound! Crazy! Shot at close range by an assault rifle, the tiny fragile bones in his hand would be shattered, he would likely not have use of it for some time, if ever again (check out grisly images on google of "gunshot hand wounds" for comparative examples). Yet he has perfect use of it in this video where he "reunites" with the officer who supposedly saved him, not only perfect use, apparently he healed completely in a matter of days. Amazing!

Edit: I'll add this since the official media narrative seems to report he was shot 3 times, but in this video where a Youtube guy actually CALLS him in the hospital (not expecting to be able to get through) and Angel himself tells him he was shot 6 times (before hanging up on him soon after).

The video clip voice over says the man had three gunshot wounds and a broken leg from being trampled but does not mention a hand wound nor an averted head shot.

Did you get the 6 wounds and hand wound and averted head shot from text accompanying the video? Or am I confused?

One thing also to consider in general is that individual bullets likely caused more than one wound on more than one victim because of pass throughs and ricochets.

Edit: That was really weird as I was responding to the post with only one video and without the 2nd video.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Sorry for the ninja edit!

You can hear him recount being shot in the hand in this video:


at 3:08

The "shot 6 times" comes from the phone call but the text in most media reports recounts him as being shot 3 times.

I should add that shot 3, 4 however many times, including one to the hand that should have destroyed his hand, PLUS being trampled and having broken legs, and don't forget about all the GLASS that he was dragged over from which he got cuts all over, including his face (even though he has no visible cuts on his face), yet here he is apparently under no sedation or pain medication, perfectly able to give a coherent press conference, looking like he just had his 8x10s done. Rriight.

[PufPuf93]

I don't see any evidence of a hand wound in any of the videos and if "Angel" was cut by glass it was all on his backside. The man does not show much physical evidence of the trauma in any of the clips.

I watched that first clip 3X trying to hear what you reported.

[Burnt Hill]

I don't see any evidence of a hand wound in any of the videos and if "Angel" was cut by glass it was all on his backside. The man does not show much physical evidence of the trauma in any of the clips.

I watched that first clip 3X trying to hear what you reported.

I though he showed quite a bit of difficulty transferring to the chair. fwiw

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I don't see any evidence of a hand wound in any of the videos and if "Angel" was cut by glass it was all on his backside. The man does not show much physical evidence of the trauma in any of the clips.

I watched that first clip 3X trying to hear what you reported.

Hear him describe the cuts to his face in this video:


start around 11:30 and watch the interview

[brekin]

He says he was "hit in his hand" when the shooter tried to shoot him in the head, so that means possibly that he was glazed by the bullet, it could have been a bullet fragment, the repercussion from the bullet impact force was near his hand and it felt like he got shot, shrapnel from the bullet got lodged in his hand, a bullet from the pistol the shooter used which is a totally different caliber, his finger was what got hit the most, etc. If he didn't get hit in the hand why would he be claiming so and looking down at his hand when he says so? If he was trained and trying to pull a fast one, wouldn't he find a better location to say he got shot, that wouldn't be so noticeable and you visually prominent?

I mean, the guy also calls the gun the shooter used a "shotgun" numerous times. That seems to be false from most reports, (Ak-47 & Pistol) but I wouldn't dismiss that this guy wasn't there and got shot based on that. He may just not know guns.

I have this dream, stay with me it is applicable to this, I'm in war with all these crisis actor enthusiasts and we get pinned down by the enemy and we are all getting shot and picked off one by one, and as the wounded start calling out that they've been hit, their crisis'd comrades reply in return to all the cries, "I don't believe you."

[82_28]

I wouldn't know one gun from the next except pistol/rifle/machine gun. That's why when I played Call of Duty or Counterstrike I would apparently choose the "wrong gun". They were all just guns to me. But I would get waxed immediately and then lost interest in even playing at all. But I can't tell one gun from the other and am not about to learn.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

He says he was "hit in his hand" when the shooter tried to shoot him in the head, so that means possibly that he was glazed by the bullet, it could have been a bullet fragment, the repercussion from the bullet impact force was near his hand and it felt like he got shot, shrapnel from the bullet got lodged in his hand, a bullet from the pistol the shooter used which is a totally different caliber, his finger was what got hit the most, etc. If he didn't get hit in the hand why would he be claiming so and looking down at his hand when he says so? If he was trained and trying to pull a fast one, wouldn't he find a better location to say he got shot, that wouldn't be so noticeable and you visually prominent?

That's a whole lot of possiblys and could have beens for what should be a cut and dry incident report. Either he was shot directly in the hand or he was grazed by shrapnel from a missed shot aimed at his head. Either way, where is the wound on his hand? I want folks to know that I'm trying as hard as I can to avoid the slippery interpretive stuff that the "OMG CRISIS ACTORS" youtube crowd normally engages in and am trying to focus on simple, black and white stuff. Either he was shot (or hit, whatever) in the hand, or not. If he was (as he has claimed over and over), there should be clear evidence of it, even if that evidence were just a bandage wrapped around his hand. He claims to have been cut all over his face, yet there are no visible cuts. Why the discrepancy? Somebody is fibbing, or talking out of their "colon" as it were.

As for "why would he be claiming he got hit in the hand when he obviously didn't?" Well, because they can. We've reached a point where it doesn't matter one bit what people actually claim and how it stacks up against the evidence. If it's said on TV, it's true, nevermind whether or not the story would hold up in court (it wouldn't, and obviously won't have to). He's in a hospital bed! On TV! Clearly he's telling the whole truth and nothing but. Why would they lie? Why, indeed. Probably because on a certain level they WANT people to line up and shout CRISIS ACTOR at the obvious discrepancies, so that the people who are unwilling to accept such a scenario will shout back at them and we can continue this ideological civil war/mind-fuck over fake news stories.

[Burnt Hill]

You can see a wound on his hand when he reaches for the microphone.
If he is medicated appropriately then he shouldn't be sedated, not for those types of injuries.
The idea that Angel Colon is not genuine would implicate an awful lot of the hospital staff and be impossible to contain.
And AOC, that last video is from a homophobic idiot, you discredit yourself with that Baloney.